PUA coaches sexual assault, spawns twitter campaign (disturbing imagery)

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Addi said:
Holy shit at the reactions on the RSD forum. According to them this is a witch hunt by PC feminazis. Really, the comparison between PUA and MRA made earlier in the thread is making sense.

sample from that thread:
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This is the banner that pops up when I click on that link:

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Notice the "shocker" gesture.

Nothing else to add, really.
 
Moon Patrol Pilot said:
The whole sexual harassment/assault opener is really stupid. 5 years ago, my cousin and her girlfriends were having a girls night out at a popular club in Houston. Some guy in a ridiculous top hat came over to their group and "opened the set" by grabbing her butt cheek. Not a pinch, but a full on handful and said to her "I bet you like that". She responded by punching him straight in the nose and hit him so hard that his nose exploded in blood.

Because Houston police were already there for security detail (that's how they moonlight) they questioned both parties, witnesses, and called paramedics because of the amount of blood the douchebag was leaking. It looked as if he'd been stabbed in the face. It turned out there was a live PUA boot camp in the club that night hosted by some out of town PUA guru who advocated grabbing butts and/or breasts as the initial contact and the offender was one of his protégés demonstrating to the students how it's supposed to be done.

My cousin wasn't charged with anything (self defense), the PUA douche was arrested and charged with sexual assault, and the guru was brought in for questioning. I don't know what became of them.
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This story pleases me. Glad the students witnessed a valuable lesson that day.
 
Just saw the video, this fucking sack of human garbage should be sent to space with a specially engineered ass and mouth penetrating wearable rocket. I would crowdfund that.
 
wildfire said:
If you fail to acknowledge how it does work well you aren't going to convince people otherwise why PUA tactics are suboptimal and a poorer trajectory path to being at peace with oneself.


The racism was implying Japanese women are so submissive they don't mind being molested at all.
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Not only that, he was going "Pikachu pikachu!" at them.
 
Addi said:
Holy shit at the reactions on the RSD forum. According to them this is a witch hunt by PC feminazis. Really, the comparison between PUA and MRA made earlier in the thread is making sense.

sample from that thread:
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I recommend noone reads beyond the first page. The depths of their sleaziness can't be exaggerated.
 
PUA's are less about seduction and more about manipulation for sex. It takes seduction principles and warps them with misogyny and sexual predation.
 
freenudemacusers said:
Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed through the fear and put myself out there. It was obvious now that I had been ignoring some really crucial points about game as a whole (inner and outer). I made the decision to do some research. I read Neil's book a long time ago, so my exposure to all of this was from there. I looked back into it online, found RSD and immersed myself in it since it felt like I had a working knowledge of the principles; it didn't feel so foreign to me.

So let me get to the point already. A few months ago, I met a Columbian chick on POF. I'd say she's between a 6 and 7 depending on if she's talking or not. We met for coffee and went on a few weak ass dates. I'll take responsibility for that since I'm a man about it. I knew I wanted to close her but, she was feisty as fuck. Always shit-testing me before I even knew what that was. I guess I fared well since she still wanted to chill. I picked her up at some point in October for a day date. She got on my nerves and I dropped her off before we even made it to brunch or whatever weak ass plan I had then. I decided that she wasn’t worth the effort.

Later that month, I'm in Phoenix on business for about 2 months. I meet this 8.5 Israeli babe in the Scottsdale mall. This day, I was definitely in state and number closed her in 3 mins. The rest of the week, my text and phone game was on point with her. She couldn't wait for the weekend. I meet with her and stay on point with everything: conversation, escalation, push-pull. I take her back to bar in the hotel lobby. I kiss close her there. Knowing a bit about the culture, I trust my instinct. It’s telling me to display intent but not pull her that night. It worked. She met me the next weekend and we fucked the entire time.

When I headed back to Raleigh, the Israeli chick transferred there just to keep seeing me. I decided to start seeing her exclusively since she was only going to be in the states for a few months more and I genuinely liked her. When she leaves back to Tel Aviv, I hit up the Columbian chick to chill since everyone else I had lined up flaked for one reason or another. When I met her, that annoying personality reminded me why I stopped talking to her. Here's where RSD principles really showed their worth.

From the very onset, I decided that I was going to push past all obstacles and fuck her that night; that was number one. Number two was logistics. I live in an upscale apartment complex that is in a shopping plaza with a Ruth's Chris, Bella Mia, a fucking expensive women's shoes boutique blah blah blah... The biggest advantage is all the parking space. Follow me...

I tell the Columbian chick to meet me at the Ruth's Chris so she can park her car and I'll drive us in downtown and she can save on paying for parking. She agrees. We go downtown and its packed. Lines to get in at every bar. Since we left late, I feel we're wasting valuable drinking time and offer to take it back closer to where she parked. She agrees. We hit a small pub nearby and have a few drinks. We start talking about all kinds of bullshit and she starts shit-testing me again. I hold my frame. Unapologetic. Tearing her bullshit down to the last strand. We close down the bar and I offer to take her back to her car.

As we pull in, I switch it up and offer her coffee. She's confused. Then I reveal that I live in these very apartments, coincidentally. She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!" She waits a minute then comes into the room asking me if I'm mad at her. I tell her, "Of course I'm not mad at you! I'm disappointed in you. I know you want to fuck me but you're over there playing stupid. But fuck it, I'm over it. Just drive safe, ok?" Then she walks over to the bed and asks me to explain why I'm disappointed in her. I tell her this:

"Look, you're here. You're in my bed. You knew the deal the entire night and you're obviously attracted to me. So what is your problem?"

She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."

She resists a bit more but I just tell her to shut up and start kissing her. Clothes starts flying off and I'm smashing before you know it. She bounces in the morning and there's no awkward bullshit.

If I had defaulted to my old habits, I would've failed and miserably so. In this case, the right state of mind was key. I only envisioned success. The only other option was burning rapport with this chick down to the ashes. The outcome would only be one or the other and I was fine with either. I really hope this helps me build the momentum I need to build more references to grow to the next level.
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I don't know why this made me so sad. The ratings? The pressuring women into sex? Seeing everything you typed as a good thing? I feel like the shopkeeper in Menace to Society right now.
 
Moon Patrol Pilot said:
The whole sexual harassment/assault opener is really stupid. 5 years ago, my cousin and her girlfriends were having a girls night out at a popular club in Houston. Some guy in a ridiculous top hat came over to their group and "opened the set" by grabbing her butt cheek. Not a pinch, but a full on handful and said to her "I bet you like that". She responded by punching him straight in the nose and hit him so hard that his nose exploded in blood.

Because Houston police were already there for security detail (that's how they moonlight) they questioned both parties, witnesses, and called paramedics because of the amount of blood the douchebag was leaking. It looked as if he'd been stabbed in the face. It turned out there was a live PUA boot camp in the club that night hosted by some out of town PUA guru who advocated grabbing butts and/or breasts as the initial contact and the offender was one of his protégés demonstrating to the students how it's supposed to be done.

My cousin wasn't charged with anything (self defense), the PUA douche was arrested and charged with sexual assault, and the guru was brought in for questioning. I don't know what became of them.
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I can only hope that shocked most of the attendees into reevaluating these kinds of techniques.
 
angelcage87 said:
Just saw the video, this fucking sack of human garbage should be sent to space with a specially engineered ass and mouth penetrating wearable rocket. I would crowdfund that.
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This is more creative than my reaction, so I'll simply endorse your post and leave it at that.
 
I only learned about PUA from the Elliot Roger tragedy. Fascinating and strange world these people live in. Seems like a lot of those guys hate women for some reason.
 
Cow Mengde said:
I only learned about PUA from the Elliot Roger tragedy. Fascinating and strange world these people live in. Seems like a lot of those guys hate women for some reason.
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I'm pretty sure most of it is that cultural forces and internal factors warps their views and expectations of women. When reality then doesn't match up it can be extremely stressful and disconcerting, which can in turn lead to resentment, hatred, and anger.
 
wildfire said:
The racism was implying Japanese women are so submissive they don't mind being molested at all.
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I think that's a cultural thing rather than a race thing, unless he says that a born American/British citizen of Japanese decent would still be racially predisposed to this kind of behavior. Otherwise, to see this as a 'race' issue might be a little bit of projection on the part of the accuser. .
 
Simply Sarah said:
I'm pretty sure most of it is that cultural forces and internal factors warps their views and expectations of women. When reality then doesn't match up it can be extremely stressful and disconcerting, which can in turn lead to resentment, hatred, and anger.
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Yeah, I agree. Elliot Rodger seemed actually flabbergasted that women weren't lining up to sleep with him, and was furious at how much easier he believed his sister's sex life to be.
 
vas_a_morir said:
I think that's a cultural thing rather than a race thing, unless he says that a born American/British citizen of Japanese decent would still be racially predisposed to this kind of behavior. Otherwise, to see this as a 'race' issue might be a little bit of projection on the part of the accuser. .
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Dog, we know exactly what's going on when people talk about any Asian women being submissive.
 
vas_a_morir said:
I think that's a cultural thing rather than a race thing, unless he says that a born American/British citizen of Japanese decent would still be racially predisposed to this kind of behavior. Otherwise, to see this as a 'race' issue might be a little bit of projection on the part of the accuser. .
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I'm not giving this gross guy enough credit to be able to tell its a cultural trait instead of a racial trait.
 
Cow Mengde said:
I only learned about PUA from the Elliot Roger tragedy. Fascinating and strange world these people live in. Seems like a lot of those guys hate women for some reason.
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Most of the guys are most likely, like Rodger, not gifted with good looks and anything that would allow them to compete with so called douchebags and bros. So they fall into a self affirming community where it's acceptable to pretend choke a woman for some kind of funny pseudo bullshit to get laid/phone numbers/relationships/dating/etc.

Funny thing is, that community rejected Rodger like a bad cold.
 
Some interesting stuff happening in Melbourne right now. Julien Blenc is apparently in a boat with a group of his trainees and a large protest is brewing outside and they arent leaving the boat presumably due to fear of their safety/risk of being filmed and thus assosciated with rape club. Follow #TakeDownJulienBlanc on twitter https://twitter.com/hashtag/TakeDownJulienBlanc?src=hash Asher Wolf has the most detailed updates: https://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf
 
I really hate that people see clowns like this, and assume that the majority of PUAs are like this. You have a handful of guys who teach the weird stuff, and therefore get the most attention, and people assume that the majority of PUAs are like this.
 
The Storyteller said:
Some interesting stuff happening in Brisbane right now. Julien Blenc is apparently in a boat with a group of his trainees and a large protest is brewing outside and they arent leaving the boat presumably due to fear of their safety/risk of being filmed and thus assosciated with rape club. Follow #TakeDownJulienBlanc on twitter https://twitter.com/hashtag/TakeDownJulienBlanc?src=hash Asher Wolf has the most detailed updates: https://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf
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Seeing that many people actually show up for his seminars is disgusting. Especially since one of the PUA assholes apparently threatened the twitter user.

Good to see people protesting his bullshit, though.
 
Assanova said:
I really hate that people see clowns like this, and assume that the majority of PUAs are like this. You have a handful of guys who teach the weird stuff, and therefore get the most attention, and people assume that the majority of PUAs are like this.
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#NotAllPUAs
 
This is great to see. Bit worried that his next stop will be Japan and he probably won't have much trouble though. Would be great to see some Japanese women shame him and his followers as well.
 
Wazzy said:
Seeing that many people actually show up for his seminars is disgusting. Especially since one of the PUA assholes apparently threatened the twitter user.

Good to see people protesting his bullshit, though.
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People see guys like him go home with the hot chicks they were hoping/trying to pull. You go home alone. Then he offers to teach you how you can be more succesful at getting that one hot girl everyone wants, become that guy that posts a picture on facebook of a different girl every weekend. I can see the appeal.

I'm disgusted by the practices they teach, but I can see the appeal of attending these seminars.
 
I came across this through a youtuber. Absolutely disgraceful. That walk of shame Vine video is awesome!. Like the poster above me said, sometimes we do need mob justice. Not a fan of the internet ganging up against people, because often, we aren't offered every angle of the story. But that video and tweets offered me all the angles I need. This scumbag needs to be shamed.
 
Assanova said:
I really hate that people see clowns like this, and assume that the majority of PUAs are like this. You have a handful of guys who teach the weird stuff, and therefore get the most attention, and people assume that the majority of PUAs are like this.
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Actually people have been making the distinction. They also have been saying that PUA suck in general so don't blame PUA reputation on Julien.
 
freenudemacusers said:
Having not been very social due to a psycho [ex]wife and back-to-back deployments... it was daunting to get back out there. I pushed through the fear and put myself out there. It was obvious now that I had been ignoring some really crucial points about game as a whole (inner and outer). I made the decision to do some research. I read Neil's book a long time ago, so my exposure to all of this was from there. I looked back into it online, found RSD and immersed myself in it since it felt like I had a working knowledge of the principles; it didn't feel so foreign to me.

So let me get to the point already. A few months ago, I met a Columbian chick on POF. I'd say she's between a 6 and 7 depending on if she's talking or not. We met for coffee and went on a few weak ass dates. I'll take responsibility for that since I'm a man about it. I knew I wanted to close her but, she was feisty as fuck. Always shit-testing me before I even knew what that was. I guess I fared well since she still wanted to chill. I picked her up at some point in October for a day date. She got on my nerves and I dropped her off before we even made it to brunch or whatever weak ass plan I had then. I decided that she wasn’t worth the effort.

Later that month, I'm in Phoenix on business for about 2 months. I meet this 8.5 Israeli babe in the Scottsdale mall. This day, I was definitely in state and number closed her in 3 mins. The rest of the week, my text and phone game was on point with her. She couldn't wait for the weekend. I meet with her and stay on point with everything: conversation, escalation, push-pull. I take her back to bar in the hotel lobby. I kiss close her there. Knowing a bit about the culture, I trust my instinct. It’s telling me to display intent but not pull her that night. It worked. She met me the next weekend and we fucked the entire time.

When I headed back to Raleigh, the Israeli chick transferred there just to keep seeing me. I decided to start seeing her exclusively since she was only going to be in the states for a few months more and I genuinely liked her. When she leaves back to Tel Aviv, I hit up the Columbian chick to chill since everyone else I had lined up flaked for one reason or another. When I met her, that annoying personality reminded me why I stopped talking to her. Here's where RSD principles really showed their worth.

From the very onset, I decided that I was going to push past all obstacles and fuck her that night; that was number one. Number two was logistics. I live in an upscale apartment complex that is in a shopping plaza with a Ruth's Chris, Bella Mia, a fucking expensive women's shoes boutique blah blah blah... The biggest advantage is all the parking space. Follow me...

I tell the Columbian chick to meet me at the Ruth's Chris so she can park her car and I'll drive us in downtown and she can save on paying for parking. She agrees. We go downtown and its packed. Lines to get in at every bar. Since we left late, I feel we're wasting valuable drinking time and offer to take it back closer to where she parked. She agrees. We hit a small pub nearby and have a few drinks. We start talking about all kinds of bullshit and she starts shit-testing me again. I hold my frame. Unapologetic. Tearing her bullshit down to the last strand. We close down the bar and I offer to take her back to her car.

As we pull in, I switch it up and offer her coffee. She's confused. Then I reveal that I live in these very apartments, coincidentally. She agrees to come in for water. I get her inside and pour her wine instead. She tells me pointedly that we are not having sex. I tell her, that's fine and to just relax and enjoy herself. So she drinks. An hour later, I have her in my bed bullshitting with her. She tells me again, we're not having sex. I say, ok. I start caressing her, talking bullshit, grabbing her ass and she's in full blown LMR mode. I keep plowing through it with a smile on face and ramping up the escalation.

Another hour of this bullshit. Finally, she's resisting hard and gets extremely firm with saying "Stop. I'm serious. We are not having sex. I'm going to leave if you don't stop." I feel like an asshole because she's too drunk to drive so I say. “Ok. I'll stop but really, don't drive. Just sleep it off.” She feels content with this and lies there. Then I say this to her.

"Here's the thing: this is MY bed. If you're going to stay, you can sleep in the guest room."

She’s upset and says, "ok" gets up and storms off to the other room. 2 mins later, I hear her grabbing her keys and she says, "I'm leaving." I reply, "Drive safe!" She waits a minute then comes into the room asking me if I'm mad at her. I tell her, "Of course I'm not mad at you! I'm disappointed in you. I know you want to fuck me but you're over there playing stupid. But fuck it, I'm over it. Just drive safe, ok?" Then she walks over to the bed and asks me to explain why I'm disappointed in her. I tell her this:

"Look, you're here. You're in my bed. You knew the deal the entire night and you're obviously attracted to me. So what is your problem?"

She comes up with some typical I'm-not-a-slut reasoning and I tell her that I know she isn't. She says she's old fashioned and wants to date a while blah blah blah. I say, "we need to find out if there is chemistry here first. Before all that other shit." she asks "How? By having sex?" and I say, "Yes."

She resists a bit more but I just tell her to shut up and start kissing her. Clothes starts flying off and I'm smashing before you know it. She bounces in the morning and there's no awkward bullshit.

If I had defaulted to my old habits, I would've failed and miserably so. In this case, the right state of mind was key. I only envisioned success. The only other option was burning rapport with this chick down to the ashes. The outcome would only be one or the other and I was fine with either. I really hope this helps me build the momentum I need to build more references to grow to the next level.
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I... Wow. Are you really proud of yourself with this?
 
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