That's better than some of Thanos's backstory.
Doctor Doom is an anti-social computer programmer in the upcoming Fantastic Four film
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That's better than some of Thanos's backstory.
Coriolanus
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Why should people support shit writers?
Good arcs (usually) get support. Shit arcs do not.
Then you also gotta factor marvel's method of tracking sales, where they don't factor collections and the like. It's stupid.
Better that the comic be put on hiatus until a writer that actually knows what to do comes along.
The FF comic is also getting cancelled because Isaac Perlmutter doesn't want to spend a single penny to promote Fox's film.
exmachina64
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That is nothing. Doom wrecked Namor just recently
There's a piece missing between those two pages that's the best part of the scene.
Discotheque
Banned
that dude sounds like a dick. i'm amazed he hates fox so much, i'd think him and rupert murdoch would be bros for life.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
If the comic isn't that hot either than people shouldn't have to support it just for a love of the characters. It's a good thing that Marvel is ending the books for now - they shouldn't be required to have an FF book on the comic stands every month just because of the history the characters have. If they don't have a creative team that can make it work, they shouldn't just shit something out just because.
Marvel should give the FF book a break, and it sure would be nice if there was a movie studio out there doing the characters justice on the big screen while they're away.
I don't think there's any merit to it. At least nothing solid that can be confirmed. What we do know is that sales have been struggling for a while and they probably just said "fuck it, let's put it on hiatus and see if anyone has any bright ideas in a couple years."
The FF characters are just as relevant to Marvel's plans as they've ever been, it's just their own book that's underperforming.
This sounds eerily close to the rumors that said Marvel didn't want new mutants in their books because Fox would get the rights and it turned out to be bullshit.
Bobby Roberts
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This is bullshit. Stop saying it.
SenorArdilla
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Father_Brain
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It's not like Kebbell summarized the character's entire backstory or arc. He didn't say that the character has no ties to Latveria in this version, or that he doesn't become much closer to the familiar version of the character.
Look, I am not particularly optimistic about this film. What Kebbell said does not sound like grounds for optimism. But there's a fine line between rational skepticism, or even pessimism, and actively wanting to hate something, and I get the sense that a lot of people in these threads are in the latter camp.
I would have agreed at one point, but multiple licensees have confirmed that Marvel is barring them from producing merchandise featuring FF characters, so I think there has to be something to it.
I haven't heard anything about merchandising but as for the comics I think less than expected sales is the most logical explanation for cancelling the book. Fantastic Four characters are front and center in Hickman's books and will continue to be in Secret Wars. I mean that book features no less than two Reed Richards and that's going to be firing on all cylinders by the time this movie is out. I can almost guarantee we'll get a new FF book as part of the SW aftermath.
SamuelSupreme
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That is nothing. Doom wrecked Namor just recently
Where is this from?
Hickman's New Avengers.
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
We could have had Galactus, The Silver Surfer, and Dr. Doom in the MCU. Why does this fucking movie exist.
We could have had Galactus, The Silver Surfer, and Dr. Doom in the MCU. Why does this fucking movie exist.
Entryhazard
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I hope this movie bombs so hard
Don't watch me. Watch TV.
Characters often resonate because their foundation is interesting to people. It wouldn't make sense to turn Batman into a suburban teen who sneaks out of his house so his parents don't know about him, and is huge on posting his exploits on social media. This doesn't say "Doctor Doom" to me. May as well go with a new character if you're going to rebuild them from the ground up.
I think there's a lot of leeway. You can alter origins slightly to keep up with the times or keep things fresh. Race, culture, gender, those don't always* have a serious impact. But changes like this feel too extreme.
* Like Captain America. He was a soldier in WWII, and is partially defined as being a skinny white kid from NY. It wouldn't be the same if they changed him into, say, a person of Japanese descent who wanted to serve his new found country and had to deal with racism and mistrust. Might make for a good elseworlds tale, but leave it out of the movies.
I think there's a lot of leeway. You can alter origins slightly to keep up with the times or keep things fresh. Race, culture, gender, those don't always* have a serious impact. But changes like this feel too extreme.
* Like Captain America. He was a soldier in WWII, and is partially defined as being a skinny white kid from NY. It wouldn't be the same if they changed him into, say, a person of Japanese descent who wanted to serve his new found country and had to deal with racism and mistrust. Might make for a good elseworlds tale, but leave it out of the movies.
well the spin off would seemingly be an original work unlike FF.
So your shtick continues.
I never liked the FF I only really like Dr.Doom.
I would do so much to have him in the MCU
Bobby Roberts
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DonasaurusRex
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If its a shit book/ run it will get cancelled and they will try again its the nature of ongoings, just about everyones been cancelled out side of batman, superman, spiderman and maybe wonder woman. The FF4 based on the characters that have already been well defined by MULTIPLE great runs, from Waid, Simonson, Kirby, Claremont, and Hickman to name a few have plenty of material for a good movie.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I thought Marvel did start tracking collection sales recently, and that factors in to what they keep running and what they don't
unholyrevenger72
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It can be when the source material is inherently fantastical, and you're trying to go realistic with it. As much hate as the previous movies get they swallowed the bullet and rolled with the fantastic part. And modified characters to be more modern analogies of the source Material, Doom is an Evil King/President&Owner of a Country/Corporation.
Yes because an evil dictator is so hard to fathom and an out of date idea?
Really?
Trying to defend this is just sad.
It is a cheap assed attempt to try and make it relevant to younger people by older people who have no idea what the hell people actually want.
This whole movie screams of check list pandering to everyone BUT the comic book crowd.
DonasaurusRex
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The problem is people clearly didnt like the change and fans of the source did not wait to see Doom Ceo...so who are you trying to make this for? Even as a ceo/ whatever doom became a generic badguy shooting frickin energy blasts....so who cares or even believes the reason for that change was a grounding of the character.
Its clear they do not respect the source enough to just ask the creators who worked on them "hey whats the deal with this guy" and try and bring that to life.
The old movies didnt even make a good change it was...superfluous and still fantastical so now the question is why bother.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
What ifs.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Coriolanus
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Writer of Superior Foes of Spider-man was bashing trade buyers and said mahvel blamed the low ish to ish sales for the cancelation.
Wouldn't make much difference for FF tho, since the last good run was Hickman's, and that ended quite a while ago.
Last i checked, that film with the talking racoon interacting with human actors made mad bank.
Seriously, GotG demolished the "it's too cray" excuse.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm a trade buyer. Guess I ruin the industry
Plasticine
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When you're writing a script?
Sure.
It's what happens after it leaves the writer that causes the problems.*
You could concentrate the entire history of the Fantastic Four down into the most awesomely fantastic script ever, but if the studio doesn't actually want to make a "real" Fantastic Four movie, you get fired. Your work will be rewritten by a couple of different writers until Dr. Doom is reduced to a shitlord blogger and the Fantastic Four a bunch of emo kids who spend 120 pages coping with their "disabilities".
*This is assuming you're not laughed out the door when you have the nerve to pitch a faithful Fantastic Four adaptation.
Then you need to do something else. Folks have shown they don't wnat grounded or realistic, they want shit that respects the core of the materiel.
ROUGE_BLOCK
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Guys this a good thing! Fox needs to stimulate some creativity into this film, and that includes getting at the heart of these characters. Seriously, do you really just want some mastermind, super cool and evil supervillain? Or do you want something new a fresh, seeing a vulnerable and sensitive nerd getting a bunch of powers and fighting against the fantastic four?
If you want VICTOR VON DOOM, go read a comic because he's already in there!
If you want VICTOR VON DOOM, go read a comic because he's already in there!
SAID NO ONE EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF TIME AND SPACE. This movie just sounds more and more heinous as the plot details trickle everywhere! ABORT THE MISSIONS!
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Not in 2015 he won't be!
I know that Doom appears in more than just the FF comic. Please don't ruin my joke.
Why would you do that though? If you don't like that the source material is fantastical, why are you adapting that source material?
Callibretto
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Because I don't think this movie had the budget to go fantastical route sadly...
So supposedly, this is the synopsis for the FF film:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=111202
Okay then...
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=111202
Okay then...
Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.
Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.
Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.
Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.
Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.
Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.
Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.
There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.
The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.
Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.
Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.
Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.
Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.
Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.
Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.
There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.
The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.
EDIT: Removed possible spoilers
Discotheque
Banned
damn that's spoiling the entire film if it's true. but I can't trust comic book fansites on rumors until the final product comes out.
sounds whack as hell, and considering how genius reed is shouldn't he have like a full scholarship to MIT or something? why you in community college brah
sounds whack as hell, and considering how genius reed is shouldn't he have like a full scholarship to MIT or something? why you in community college brah
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Quite a few Ultimate FF elements in there.
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