Alcibiades
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This is pretty much a self-contained movie with no connection to the broader MCU (until the credits scene).
In fact, it felt more self-contained than Superman despite that one being the first movie of the franchise.
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In fact, it felt more self-contained than Superman despite that one being the first movie of the franchise.
AJUMP23
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Thanks I hope an 11 year old can take it.
Revolutionary
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There's a lot that I love about this movie, but it's far from perfect. Honestly, I feel the same way about this movie that I did with Thunderbolts: an entertaining enough movie overall, but it's not a tight script as there are too many moments where the writer(s) hope you've turned your brain off and don't question things.
I'm also a bit disappointed that the rumors didn't pan out. I was intrigued by the idea that they would lose their Earth but nope, they just defeat Galactus in a fairly typical MCU-style third act CG battle. Meh...
6/10
I'm also a bit disappointed that the rumors didn't pan out. I was intrigued by the idea that they would lose their Earth but nope, they just defeat Galactus in a fairly typical MCU-style third act CG battle. Meh...
6/10
Spyxos
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I saw it yesterday. I have to admit that I've never been an F4 fan. Not even as a kid. But this new part was really boring. If you want to see a superhero movie, go see Superman.
On top of that, the cinema was half empty, and that was only two or three days after the release. It's likely to be a flop.
On top of that, the cinema was half empty, and that was only two or three days after the release. It's likely to be a flop.
Slothbeingg
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Meh.
I gave this fantastic 4 out of ten.
Boring af movie.
I gave this fantastic 4 out of ten.
Boring af movie.
DKehoe
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There's some danger in it that might be a bit much for younger kids. But I think it's a good fit for an 11 year old. I hope you both enjoy it if you do go and see it.
demigod
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Oh shit you're right. It was only 1 day after release for me and it was only half full if that, but i went at 1:30 p.m. I remember liking the 2005/2007 ones. This one? Boring as shit.
Spyxos
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One of them is running away from the enemy. And the second one is pushing the enemy into a portal....
DKehoe
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As well as the main set pieces there's also a montage of them dealing with different threats. I can't say I came out of it feeling like it lacked for action. It's less than 2 hours, bit of a rarity these days for those kinds of films, so it goes along at a decent pace.
JCK75
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I went in with very low expectations.. I really don't like Pedro Pascal very much.. I was going in really bias against a female silver surfer... But when it was over.. I really enjoyed the movie.. I understood some of the controversial decisions more and I actually liked Pedro as Reed Richards..
MrTroubleMaker
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I was hoping that the ports on his back
when attacked made him shrink, so they could have a better battle sequence
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fallingdove
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The movie was really meh. For all of the praise I was seeing from Jeremy Jahns and Critical Drinker, I was expecting something decent.
5/10
The movie started out well enough but it wasn't long before things fell apart:
- Johnny pouting about wanting to do more astronaut-y things
- the team deciding to confront some unknown planet eater in deep space with no plan of attack whatsoever
- taking a pregnant woman on a interplanetary suicide mission
- choosing the life of one baby over the lives of billions
- the stupid Sue Storm speech about her dad and wanting the world to be a family and sacrifice themselves for her baby (not to mention the mob being convinced by that incoherent monologue)
- the moronic idea that if the entire world would just turn their lights off that they would have enough energy to save the planet from Galactus
- the lack of detail about where the earth was going to be teleported and the fact that the people of earth were just on board with that
- the stupid logic that Galactus was going to be willing to walk around New York City to collect the baby himself when he has his own Liquid Metal servant to do that stuff
- the jank baby special effects
- The Thing's stupid beard
It's also weird going from all powerful world eater to doomsday for an avengers movie but I guess Disney is hoping that RDJ is big enough to fix the mess that the MCU has become.
- Johnny pouting about wanting to do more astronaut-y things
- the team deciding to confront some unknown planet eater in deep space with no plan of attack whatsoever
- taking a pregnant woman on a interplanetary suicide mission
- choosing the life of one baby over the lives of billions
- the stupid Sue Storm speech about her dad and wanting the world to be a family and sacrifice themselves for her baby (not to mention the mob being convinced by that incoherent monologue)
- the moronic idea that if the entire world would just turn their lights off that they would have enough energy to save the planet from Galactus
- the lack of detail about where the earth was going to be teleported and the fact that the people of earth were just on board with that
- the stupid logic that Galactus was going to be willing to walk around New York City to collect the baby himself when he has his own Liquid Metal servant to do that stuff
- the jank baby special effects
- The Thing's stupid beard
It's also weird going from all powerful world eater to doomsday for an avengers movie but I guess Disney is hoping that RDJ is big enough to fix the mess that the MCU has become.
5/10
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Spyxos
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That would have been much better. Of course, he still wouldn't stand a chance, but at least it would be more exciting.
Spyxos
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From this point on, the film never recovered for me. I didn't believe for a second that humanity wouldn't have taken the baby away.
When she gave that speech with the baby in front of hundreds of people. Which is the downfall of the entire planet. I just thought how stupid the whole thing was.
When she gave that speech with the baby in front of hundreds of people. Which is the downfall of the entire planet. I just thought how stupid the whole thing was.
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Ulysses 31
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Did the movie explore what the baby would be doing exactly if Galactus got its hands on it? I've read Galactus wants to retire and have the baby replace him "somehow". They could've used the explanation that delivering the baby could just be delaying the inevitable and that there's no guarantee the new Galactus wouldn't be coming for them eventually.
Spyxos
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That's how I understood it too, that it should take his place so that Galactus can be freed from his eternal hunger. Wouldn't that be a good Galactus? One who isn't hungry. I don't know enough about it. All I know is that the child is one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe.
DKehoe
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I can't remember this is explicitly stated but I seem to recall Galactus saying Franklin taking his hunger would mean he could finally rest. So I took it to be that it would allow him to finally die.
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spookyfish
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First to admit it -- I was wrong.
Reizo Ryuu
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you banked on that? lmao jesus christ dude, that's such a terrible prediction you should treat it as losing an avatar bet.
spookyfish
Gold Member
Or: No.
you banked on that? lmao jesus christ dude, that's such a terrible prediction you should treat it as losing an avatar bet.
Jayjayhd34
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Really didn't enjoy either superman was a better film in my opinion
BadBurger
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I plan on seeing this Wednesday, so long as I don't get pulled into a work meeting or something.
One of my best friends who is not at all into superhero movies ended up watching it and she reported loving it. Said it reminded them of early Marvel films and said it was mostly hopeful like the recent (excellent) Superman movie. So fingers crossed I enjoy it as much as she.
I will say that all of the recent trailers and teasers I have seen certainly look fucking awesome. I never dreamed that I would be onboard with a Pedro Pascal Mister Fantastic but here we are.
One of my best friends who is not at all into superhero movies ended up watching it and she reported loving it. Said it reminded them of early Marvel films and said it was mostly hopeful like the recent (excellent) Superman movie. So fingers crossed I enjoy it as much as she.
I will say that all of the recent trailers and teasers I have seen certainly look fucking awesome. I never dreamed that I would be onboard with a Pedro Pascal Mister Fantastic but here we are.
It's not great but is OK, the retrofuturism being a breath of fresh air on the ever-sterile Marvel factoryline even though I wasn't convinced by it in the trailers. The performances were pretty good across the board, the story doesn't hang together particularly well but was at least kept tight and clear, avoiding extraneous supporting characters (apart from Natasha Lyonne's teacher, but she's basically a cameo, albeit one which should have been cut) and B-plots. It also does the 'dropped into the middle of a comic book run' trick much more effectively than Superman and its abandoned first act, because it shows the Four being heroic and establishing their dynamic in an opening scene plus montage before kicking off the story. It's brisk, doesn't overcomplicate things, there's no fourth-wall breaking, no referencing of other properties - having the movie set in an alternative reality is very much to its benefit - and no obnoxious quips, at least none that bothered me enough to remember them. In short, it feels like a movie and not just another exercise in Marvel homework. While I never found it particularly exciting and its engagement with a potentially potent philosophical question was half-hearted at best, plus the Silver Surfer going underdeveloped and underused, if you go in as I did with low expectations and near-total Marvel fatigue, it at least feels like something slightly different and free from a lot of the baggage and bad writing habits which make comic book movies so tiresome.
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Ulysses 31
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Also seems like a big convenience that Female Silver Surfer chooses Earth to be destroyed at a time there's a baby about to be born that's uniquely valuable to Galactus. There's a line in the trailer that hints Reed has done something that may have gotten the attention of Galactus but that's not in the theatrical cut.
lachesis
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I saw it on IMAX last friday night. It was pretty decent that I enjoyed it rather well. Having some enthusiastic crowd did help.
If I saw it by myself alone.. maybe 5-6 - but with others in IMAX did enhance the experience to 7+.
I was actually expecting James Gunn style of rowdy bickering and all - but pleasantly surprised all 4 of them were pretty "chill".
There were some mildly funny moments and all, but the whole film had this muted feel. Not necessarily bad, but a bit different in tunes.
If I saw it by myself alone.. maybe 5-6 - but with others in IMAX did enhance the experience to 7+.
I was actually expecting James Gunn style of rowdy bickering and all - but pleasantly surprised all 4 of them were pretty "chill".
There were some mildly funny moments and all, but the whole film had this muted feel. Not necessarily bad, but a bit different in tunes.
Doom85
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I mean, that's just storytelling.
It was convenient that the droids in A New Hope managed to land within roughly a day's distance of Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi given how MASSIVE a planet should be. It was convenient the radioactive spider happened to bite Peter Parker, the guy insanely smart enough to create a revolutionary invention, web shooters, that fit perfectly with his power set.
And so on and so forth.
Plus while his age isn't specifically stated in the film, it's heavily implied Galactus has been around for a VERY long time. In the comics, he had existed for and been eating planets for billions of years before the Silver Surfer lead him to Earth. In a vast universe with many populated worlds, it's actually not that convenient that after ALL that time passed, he would eventually find a planet with a being that had such powers.
Ulysses 31
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Good storytelling usually tries to avoid such big coincidences or have it near the start to kickstart the plot. But what I was getting at was that the writers seemed to have thought about it but it's in an alternate cut of the movie. And there's also things like Reed having a device that can scan big parts of the universe or planet teleportation, it seems a bit much for a movie that's introducing an entirely new universe with modernish human civilizations.
But Leia had a message specifically for Obi-Wan so her ship being in the area when they launched the escape pods I can see some excuses for. Plus it's at the start of the movie to kick the plot in gear, not a big part into the movie. I'm no big Spider-Man junkie but I recall in the cartoon he was a science student with a brilliant scientist who later becomes Doctor Octopus, convenient but there's some set up for his brilliance. Unlike in this cut of the movie where Galactus' arrival is very convenient timing for him.
It's nice to point to the comics but this is the MCU we're talking about, it has discarded most of the comics. And in this cut of the movie Galactus doesn't know about the baby at first at the time Female Surfer announced the destruction of earth.
Oh, it's far worse than that. The Death Star is destroyed by the SON of it's commanding officer, flying the commanding officers childhood droid, is saved by the commanding officers future son-in-law, coordinated by the droid the commanding officer build as a kid. Vader orchestrated the destruction of the Death Star in detail
DKehoe
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Vader: "Clearly there was an insider passing along information to the Rebel Alliance"Oh, it's far worse than that. The Death Star is destroyed by the SON of it's commanding officer, flying the commanding officers childhood droid, is saved by the commanding officers future son-in-law, coordinated by the droid the commanding officer build as a kid. Vader orchestrated the destruction of the Death Star in detail
Imperial Officer: "My lord, according to our intelligence sources the X-Wing pilot goes by the name Skywalker."
Vader: "On the other hand, let's not be too hasty with this talk of an insider. Sometimes these things just happen."
Ulysses 31
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In the first theatrical release, Vader wasn't related to Skywalker.Oh, it's far worse than that. The Death Star is destroyed by the SON of it's commanding officer, flying the commanding officers childhood droid, is saved by the commanding officers future son-in-law, coordinated by the droid the commanding officer build as a kid. Vader orchestrated the destruction of the Death Star in detail
I can't really hold it against the movie if such things were retconned in the later movies.
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In the first theatrical release, Vader wasn't related to Skywalker.
The HELL you say!
Hyperborean
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Saw it last night. Enjoyed it. Even more than Superman.
StreetsofBeige
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For you guys talking storytelling and convenient plotlines making everything go smooth and gel together like one big happy family, it was terrible in that Arnie movie Eraser. I like the movie as it's among his last good action movies and Vanessa Williams is hot.
Big weapons maker doing illegal trades, Arnie caught up in it with an upcoming shady shipment at a port not knowing what to do next. And his mafia witness protection buddy suddenly pops his head in the car window...... Good news. My cousin Tony runs those docks. I can get you there in 45 minutes.
And even dumber, these shady mafia guys actually cared illegal weapons were being shipped out like they are suddenly all born again Christians who hate crime and guns.
Big weapons maker doing illegal trades, Arnie caught up in it with an upcoming shady shipment at a port not knowing what to do next. And his mafia witness protection buddy suddenly pops his head in the car window...... Good news. My cousin Tony runs those docks. I can get you there in 45 minutes.
And even dumber, these shady mafia guys actually cared illegal weapons were being shipped out like they are suddenly all born again Christians who hate crime and guns.
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Yeah, Eraser was kinda the end for the big Arnie films.
At some point they tried to find "he's not just a killing machine" roles for him but it never really worked out
But the notion that he had this netowrk of escaped folks he could call on for help was a good one, and that railgun thing was dooooooope with that xray sight. Probably give you cancer just holding it though
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Just came from the cinema. It was decent, not bad not great. I'd say a very safe movie. 7/10 best case scenario.
Superposition
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I can easily say that the movie was better than entire utter dogshit Phase 5 films/tv shows. It was a very flat story but the dialogues and cast chemistry were good, enjoyable. The credits scene was exquisite and now I am very, very excited for the Doomsday.
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Toons
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
My dad took me to empire of the sun at 6 I wasn't ready.
Doom85
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HoodWinked
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Though they did a good job fixing Silver Surfer from the trailer. The CG was pretty bad.
Galactus looked like a video game character even though they put the actual actor in costume to use as reference. The composting was especially bad usually when they involved the baby or Sue's powers which makes no sense since the Thing looked fine.
Galactus looked like a video game character even though they put the actual actor in costume to use as reference. The composting was especially bad usually when they involved the baby or Sue's powers which makes no sense since the Thing looked fine.
Revolutionary
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I rewatched Rise of the Silver Surfer over the weekend and the Surfer CG actually looked better in 2007, probably because they had Doug Jones in actual prosthetics. I doubt Julia Garner put on any prosthetics for the role.
The only aspect of the Surfer CG that didn't really hold up were the reflections off of his skin, but that's something that was kinda spotty in the new one too (despite technological advances).
But yeah, I had forgotten how much First Steps cribs from RotSS. In a way, it's almost like a do-over since the 3rd act of RotSS was completely botched by hiding Galactus in a cloud. Sue Storm even temporarily dies at the end too! Except Surfer saves her instead of Franklin.
dispensergoinup
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This was a popcorn movie for me, enjoyable at the time but not really much to digest afterwards.
Saw it in 3D/DX chairs and that made for some fun bumps during chase scenes. Wish it had more action, like Galactus sending his shock troopers or something so that the F4 team can have more battle opportunities and build up to the
I think that would have helped.
The robot was fun; he had some choice mumbled lines which I think was missed by most of the crowd around me.
Saw it in 3D/DX chairs and that made for some fun bumps during chase scenes. Wish it had more action, like Galactus sending his shock troopers or something so that the F4 team can have more battle opportunities and build up to the
push battle with Sue lol
The robot was fun; he had some choice mumbled lines which I think was missed by most of the crowd around me.