The Fantastic Four: First Steps | Official Trailer
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Saw it in IMAX. Really enjoyed it, which I can't say for any other post-Endgame MCU films other than GOTG3. It has an uncommon earnestness to it, cosmic adventure scale, and is largely faithful to the comics. Could nitpick turning RR into an introvert but it generally works well, even lady Silver Surfer was a sensible fit for the story.
Reizo Ryuu
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He doesn't have troops, or armies or even allies, just a herald.
Doom85
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For the tone of the Fantastic Four comics which is meant to be occasionally serious but ultimately idealistic and fun, and the movie itself:
It was better that they won. Especially as that would make the F4 look awful in viewers' eyes if they really did fail to save Earth after vowing to save it without giving up Franklin.
Like, remember how mad some viewers got at Star-Lord for messing up the moment to defeat Thanos in Infinity War? (even though it was consistent with his character, he had the same reaction to hearing about a loved one's death when Ego revealed what happened to Peter's mom, it's just in Guardians 2 Peter lashing out was awesome, whereas in Infinity War Peter lashing out was the last thing the heroes needed)
Yeah, the F4 would have been hated by viewers far more, and that's not a good strat going into Avengers: Doomsday where they'll be the most important of the heroes in the movie, since it's Dr. Doom as the villain.
Like, remember how mad some viewers got at Star-Lord for messing up the moment to defeat Thanos in Infinity War? (even though it was consistent with his character, he had the same reaction to hearing about a loved one's death when Ego revealed what happened to Peter's mom, it's just in Guardians 2 Peter lashing out was awesome, whereas in Infinity War Peter lashing out was the last thing the heroes needed)
Yeah, the F4 would have been hated by viewers far more, and that's not a good strat going into Avengers: Doomsday where they'll be the most important of the heroes in the movie, since it's Dr. Doom as the villain.
GateofD
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Overall, it was a good tone, and more genuine that recent Marvel stuff, but it was still lacking imo. But it did have neat stuff. They should have had a Spider-man.
+casting choices was good
+everyone played a part or had a small moment, and what little I know, the characters fit what I know of them
+Silver Surfette Boobs, I think its fine.
+the futuristic '60' vibe was neat
+I liked that Johnny was willing to sac. himself, from what I know, its very in character. Mr.Fantastic just almost being ripped in half looked great
Just really wanted more use of their powers. Johnny and Sue MVP
-needed at least one good action piece. I think its a disservice they started off with such a big threat. I'm more interested in Mole Man or the other named villains that would be on more in line with what the F4's power level actually is.
-There's one clobbering time (which the theatre didn't react to at all), but no flame on!
-so much talking, i don't mind talking, but damn I think it was a solid 40-50minutes on this 2 hour movie just them sitting and talking about their plan in the middle here.
-lol, the Herald dooms x planets, but oh no, its just a baby! pushes her to betray Galatus? And some Johnny playing some retweets of people from other doomed planets. (I wonder if the planet codes are linked to actual planets in the Marvel comics) You know how many babies you genocide'd on the other planets?
-the countdown to teleport earth is 20secs....then they go backup plan B is to teleport Unicron by luring him into the circle....and its a countdown of like 40secs?! the thing is like the size of his body, how did they think they were gonna keep him there. Invisible Woman's plan seemed a spur of the moment. I do like that everyone has limits or seem like they're using up Stamina Pts or SP and stuff when they're fighting. Other than the Thing. Who just smashes stuff which is fine.
Can they freaking kill some damn civilians in these city-wide/world catastophes for once! You did it one-time, do it again.
6/10
+casting choices was good
+everyone played a part or had a small moment, and what little I know, the characters fit what I know of them
+Silver Surfette Boobs, I think its fine.
+the futuristic '60' vibe was neat
+I liked that Johnny was willing to sac. himself, from what I know, its very in character. Mr.Fantastic just almost being ripped in half looked great
Just really wanted more use of their powers. Johnny and Sue MVP
-needed at least one good action piece. I think its a disservice they started off with such a big threat. I'm more interested in Mole Man or the other named villains that would be on more in line with what the F4's power level actually is.
-There's one clobbering time (which the theatre didn't react to at all), but no flame on!
-so much talking, i don't mind talking, but damn I think it was a solid 40-50minutes on this 2 hour movie just them sitting and talking about their plan in the middle here.
-lol, the Herald dooms x planets, but oh no, its just a baby! pushes her to betray Galatus? And some Johnny playing some retweets of people from other doomed planets. (I wonder if the planet codes are linked to actual planets in the Marvel comics) You know how many babies you genocide'd on the other planets?
-the countdown to teleport earth is 20secs....then they go backup plan B is to teleport Unicron by luring him into the circle....and its a countdown of like 40secs?! the thing is like the size of his body, how did they think they were gonna keep him there. Invisible Woman's plan seemed a spur of the moment. I do like that everyone has limits or seem like they're using up Stamina Pts or SP and stuff when they're fighting. Other than the Thing. Who just smashes stuff which is fine.
Can they freaking kill some damn civilians in these city-wide/world catastophes for once! You did it one-time, do it again.
6/10
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Reizo Ryuu
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Never happening again, there was so much criticism around MoS for this around that time, that they chickened out and have the official death count for the battle for new york at a completely insane 74, and this was after netflix daredevil reported "hundreds dead" (which is still insanely low, should be thousands).
Miyazaki’s Slave
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Caught a 3d viewing yesterday.
It was certainly better than most of the recent marvel TV shows (I liked Thunderbolts*) but I didn't think this movie was better than Superman.
I will echo other people here the editing was very jarring in a few places. I didn't think the characters had any personality at all (outside of the School Teacher lady and Sue Storm) everyone else was just gormless. Johnny Storm is my favorite of the 4 and I don't think this guy did the role justice at all...or maybe he did and it was all cut and reshot.
I like the 60's aesthetic if the film, it felt kinda wholesome overall and I would take kids to this with no question (after we see Superman).
It was certainly better than most of the recent marvel TV shows (I liked Thunderbolts*) but I didn't think this movie was better than Superman.
I will echo other people here the editing was very jarring in a few places. I didn't think the characters had any personality at all (outside of the School Teacher lady and Sue Storm) everyone else was just gormless. Johnny Storm is my favorite of the 4 and I don't think this guy did the role justice at all...or maybe he did and it was all cut and reshot.
I like the 60's aesthetic if the film, it felt kinda wholesome overall and I would take kids to this with no question (after we see Superman).
bitbydeath
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Just watched it, it was great.
Pedro not phoning it in and actually acting was an unexpected event.
Also that whole Johnny not being a womaniser and Sue doing gender studies and the movie being mostly about Sue with everyone else taking a backseat was a lie.
Pedro not phoning it in and actually acting was an unexpected event.
Also that whole Johnny not being a womaniser and Sue doing gender studies and the movie being mostly about Sue with everyone else taking a backseat was a lie.
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FeralEcho
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Yup,my exact thoughts,and I went into it expecting a trainwreck but it was surprisingly great,very enjoyable all throughout.
Revolutionary
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Doesn't seem like the word of mouth is strong with this one. And they went all out with marketing, too.
That's two well-reviewed MCU movies in a row that will seemingly underperform.
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demigod
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Doesn't seem like the word of mouth is strong with this one. And they went all out with marketing, too.
That's two well-reviewed MCU movies in a row that will seemingly underperform.
Never trust reviews
Fake
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Doesn't seem like the word of mouth is strong with this one. And they went all out with marketing, too.
That's two well-reviewed MCU movies in a row that will seemingly underperform.
At least Pedro Pascal is in there, right?
Imagine pushing the ideia of his wifes boyfriend leading the new Avengers after this.
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Doesn't seem like the word of mouth is strong with this one. And they went all out with marketing, too.
That's two well-reviewed MCU movies in a row that will seemingly underperform.
Daaaaayum, 80%?
This guy has better legs than FFFS!
kpopSuperstar
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I thought this was gonna do gangbusters, but it's starting to lag behind Superman.
Sushi_Combo
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Great movie, was pleasantly surprised.
The bloom is off the Marvel rose, for sure. The issue isn't so much that F4 isn't doing well, it's that superman, probably the top 3, certainly top 5, best known superhero characters, isn't just CRUSHING IT in comparison.
They are both suffering from ATROCIOUS foreign box office. These things used to get a 1:2 domestic:international, but both of these are flipped almost 2:1 in favor of domestic. So it isn't "booo, superman reminds me of evil america" so much as a strong rejection of ANY comic book movie outside the US.
I'm pretty sure F4 had a substantially smaller budget than Supes so it's probably gonna "do better" in terms of $$$ back to studio. But if Marvel was hoping F4 would ignite new interest, they are sorely mistaken. I think they are calling ALL the Chrises to get them into the next film
StreetsofBeige
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80% drop? Is this a Marvel record? Did any of those shitty Madame Web or Morbius kinds of movies do this bad in week two?
Madflavor
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Doesn't seem like the word of mouth is strong with this one. And they went all out with marketing, too.
That's two well-reviewed MCU movies in a row that will seemingly underperform.
Fuck me that's brutal. That's even worse than BvS. I think casuals just don't give af about the MCU anymore.
I still expect Doomsday to do incredibly well, and if it does, it'll just confirm that outside of big event films, general audiences are done with the universe. Feige is probably not having a good weekend.
Doom85
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Box office doesn't equate subjective quality. Unless you really want to argue the best movies this year are the Minecraft movie and the live action remakes of Lilo and Stitch and How to Train Your Dragon.
ChorizoPicozo
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Kevin Feige Stands by Marvel's Diversity: 'Marvel Is the World Outside Your Window'
"I said this before 'woke' and 'DEI' became a thing and I am still saying it after," the Marvel Studios president and producer said
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Fantastic Four Bombs With 'Target' Audience: Women, Families | Cosmic Book News
Fantastic Four flops with women and families as Marvel and DC keep chasing audiences that aren't showing up, while ignoring their core fanbase.
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It's insane how the MCU went to shit with the woke agenda and the need to churn out content for Disney+; the quality and relevance of each entry diminished over time. In its prime, a movie like Fantastic Four should have performed like an Avengers film, easily reaching $1 billion at the box office and keeping the momentum going.
Lloyd Frontera
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I think the film would've fare better if they had Norrin Radd.
Shadowplay1979
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went to it yesterday ( tokyo), only two other people in the whole theater. everyone busy watching that demon slayer stuff.
Ulysses 31
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Galactus seemed on the weak side too compared his comics counterpart. His first appearance in the MCU and he wants to quit.
I'm curious, do they dub movies in Japanese or can you choose to watch with just subtitles?
Fake
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Kevin Feige Stands by Marvel's Diversity: 'Marvel Is the World Outside Your Window'
"I said this before 'woke' and 'DEI' became a thing and I am still saying it after," the Marvel Studios president and producer saidFantastic Four Bombs With 'Target' Audience: Women, Families | Cosmic Book News
Fantastic Four flops with women and families as Marvel and DC keep chasing audiences that aren't showing up, while ignoring their core fanbase.
I was told women love Pedro Pascal. I guess women also hate mommy factor.
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ChuckeRearmed
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Doesn't seem like the word of mouth is strong with this one. And they went all out with marketing, too.
That's two well-reviewed MCU movies in a row that will seemingly underperform.
The movie is just average.
Jinzo Prime
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Yeah, but no one knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy were either, and those movies were hugely succesful.
I think timing is way more important than people give it credit for. FF: First Steps would have been a billion dollar movie in the prime days of Marvel.
Saber
Newd Member
No one knew or care about Ironman as well. You can keep going with this game if thats your point.
I think the 'problem' with Fantastic Four is that folks just think they are boring. We've had several films with them and they are all kinda ho-hum. And the trailer for FFFS didn't do much to excite you about seeing them in action..
Incredibles set the bar for how these character power sets can work, and work together, but I don't think Marvel groks it yet.
Saber
Newd Member
There are alot of factors that a plain simple gotcha ain't cut it.
Iron-man, the example I gave, basically follows the same premise. It basically had zero presence here in Brazil, I doubt a single kid knew about it since it was an incredibly unpopular hero in my country. Yet it hit like a truck.
Factors could be multiples like the cast of characters, the plot and even the word of mouth, which in this case Fantastic Four is mid at best and probably a snooze fest for the kids.
I doubt Fantastic Four would have this drop if they had Robert again but as Mister Incredible instead of Doctor Doom. He is a great actor after all, has charisma and the reason Iron-man stands out as a film. Pedro on the other hand is just a pussyboy, the definition of what masculinity should be in eyes of Hollywood.
I agree with The Incredibles example, as mister Incredible itself is looks like a less powerfull Superman of sorts. Yet they handle him and other characters brillantly well.
Yerd
Member
I'm thinking of going to see this Tues morning and double feature it with superman after. Because the times line up that way. I would do other way if I could.
Have not seen any of the new marvel movies after endgame in theaters except gog3. Everything else has been at home. Have not seen thunderbolts yet. Won't until it's $6 on Amazon.
I think the last movie I saw in theaters was Godzilla minus 1.
Have not seen any of the new marvel movies after endgame in theaters except gog3. Everything else has been at home. Have not seen thunderbolts yet. Won't until it's $6 on Amazon.
I think the last movie I saw in theaters was Godzilla minus 1.
Hawk The Slayer
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I thought it was okay, 6/10. I still liked the 2000s Fantastic Four movies more.
Prefer Superman 2025 more than this and even liked the 2025 Superman more than the Man of Steel.
I'm still looking forward to a sequel as well as the other upcoming Marvel movies.
Prefer Superman 2025 more than this and even liked the 2025 Superman more than the Man of Steel.
I'm still looking forward to a sequel as well as the other upcoming Marvel movies.
bitbydeath
Member
The below hit pieces likely destroyed a lot of interest, thankfully none of it made it into the final film.
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VulcanRaven
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I doubt it had much effect. This is the first time I hear about those things and I consider myself a MCU fan. I haven't seen all the movies after Endgame though.
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IlGialloMondadori
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I think deservedly so. Superman is just a better movie in nearly all ways.
It's insane to me that anyone would listen to asmongold on anything, or why anyone would watch the laziest content ever.The below hit pieces likely destroyed a lot of interest, thankfully none of it made it into the final film.
Ulysses 31
Member
To be fair, if the actors hadn't made those comments then those hit pieces wouldn't have that ammo to use.The below hit pieces likely destroyed a lot of interest, thankfully none of it made it into the final film.
Shadowplay1979
Member
Subtitles..dub is usually the optionGalactus seemed on the weak side too compared his comics counterpart. His first appearance in the MCU and he wants to quit.
I'm curious, do they dub movies in Japanese or can you choose to watch with just subtitles?
Question is whether or not any statement made by the actor was taken out of context, spun out to left field, or just made up by the "journalist". I figure any of these could be true. A. Actors have taken to running their mouths waaaaay off script when doing press. B. PR intended for a specific market (having Pascal talk up transgender content at a LGBT BBQ, for example) then gets pushed out to everyone, and C. journalism is basically a shill game these days, either working directly for the companies making content or playing to a rabid audience that just wants to hear 'their message'.
But F4 PR was TERRIBLE, lackluster, and accompanied by dull (IMHO) trailers. It also had 2 mediocre lead-ins. Had they put a F4 end credit scene after DP&W and followed THAT film, I think they would have done a lot better.
Fake
Member
The movie got a LOAD of reshoots, so for people to be dumb at the point of saying 'bruh I watched the movie, there is no woke' when even the actors confirm otherwise.
They do tried to paint the mommy as the leader of the F4 instead of Pedro Pascal, with is hilarious. Screen test all over the place.
They did a heavy change of the entire movie before release and still the movie flop.
Now they can't even sell avengers at this point.
They do tried to paint the mommy as the leader of the F4 instead of Pedro Pascal, with is hilarious. Screen test all over the place.
They did a heavy change of the entire movie before release and still the movie flop.
Now they can't even sell avengers at this point.
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demigod
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I went back and watched both of those, 100 times better than this shit. Prefer the old actors/actress, it had comedy and action which this movie lacks. Was it too hard for them to add the line "flame on?"
These reshoots are just KILLING these films profitability. Why do they constantly do this? The script is shit? The directors never properly storyboarded the film? They were chasing the woke and then tried to pivot? Execs wait too long to weigh in?
Seems like every Marvel project gets these, and they seem a lot more extensive than "we needed a few establishing pick-up shots" or "we had to wait for the lead actor to grow a beard". They seem to be large restructuring of plots, replacing entire characters, or broad tonal changes.
Maybe these massive effects heavy films are just too much. Filming actors on an all green set with a swirl of ping-pong balls on sticks representing half the cast has got to be a big challenge in hitting the correct emotions and dialogue. But go to a real set, with all the characters physically there, and the acting magic can happen.
AJUMP23
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It did not hurt Endgame or Infinity war to be on green sound stages. I think a lot of what hurts marvel is over saturation with all the TV stuff, and then weak scripts. I think this movie, F4, was fun. But amazing not really. Marvel also had a zeitgeist going for a while that has now passed. Marvel should stop trying to chase cultural themes and tell good hero, redemption stories. Stories about overcoming evil with good flawed characters.
Those flicks also cost like 400 mill each. Lotsa reshoots there as well? The Russos cracked the code? Those actors, after years of working together, could do it? Or just a better script with more easily interpreted scenes with more primal emotions so they were easier to film the first time around?
I agree with you there. I'm sure the comic nerds will come 'round and say that it's Marvels TRADEMARK to have culturally relevant/topical stories and characters, but there is a distinct difference in risk between a comic that costs $15k to make and sells to thousands and a film that costs 200 MILLION and needs to sell to millions.