The Fantastic Four: First Steps | Official Trailer

I'm going to wait until it comes to D+

I don't have the excitement for this like I did for Superman.
Sadly, I have to agree. I called it, on a gut feeling, that Thunderbolts would be better than Captain America BNW based on the feelings of both trailers and clips.

I finally watched BNW on streaming after watching Thunderbolts in theaters and yea, it was around a C in rating for me. I also had a feeling that Superman would be around a B and I was right about that too.

This F4 movie...something's off. Either that means they are hiding a ton or it is another BNW where my gut feeling is calling it again. The feeling these trailers and clips are giving me remind me of "Superman Returns" where the trailer just kind of showed him just kinda flying around...and.... saving a plane and building...I guess, but it had some good dialogue at least 🤷‍♂️



And it turned out the movie, while well written, was just that. So maybe this F4 movie might have some decent character writing and moments between the four, but it's missing a certain 'punch' to it, even with the scenes of Galactus and SS.
 
Sadly, I have to agree. I called it, on a gut feeling, that Thunderbolts would be better than Captain America BNW based on the feelings of both trailers and clips.

I finally watched BNW on streaming after watching Thunderbolts in theaters and yea, it was around a C in rating for me. I also had a feeling that Superman would be around a B and I was right about that too.

This F4 movie...something's off. Either that means they are hiding a ton or it is another BNW where my gut feeling is calling it again. The feeling these trailers and clips are giving me remind me of "Superman Returns" where the trailer just kind of showed him just kinda flying around...and.... saving a plane and building...I guess, but it had some good dialogue at least 🤷‍♂️



And it turned out the movie, while well written, was just that. So maybe this F4 movie might have some decent character writing and moments between the four, but it's missing a certain 'punch' to it, even with the scenes of Galactus and SS.


I saw to out of theater reviews ... Not full reviews but still... One was kinda glowing but the other, which I align with more (she's a geek reviewer) said it was good but not better than Thunderbolts. She and I can't stop thinking about Superman. I don't want to burn myself out by seeing it again so I'll wait til it comes to HBO Max to see it again. I loved Superman... I might just like FF. I'll see when it comes to Disney+
 
If this is true, then why the misleading and confusing PR campaign in the run up?

Much like that odd-ball "Superman is an immigrant" comment which had NOTHING to do with the film, why are these people being allowed to say silly things that are off-message for the film?

See, it helps to actually fully look into this yourself, and you'll realize the full context puts this in a whole new light:



This reporter is infamous for giving loaded questions and trying to bait interviewees and deliberately stir up controversy.

Of course, even if certain people here knew about this, I highly doubt they would post these details anyway, because they're clearly interested in attacking the film, even before it releases and anyone has had a chance to see it, whereas criticizing a specific reporter gains them nothing from their agenda.

Take Anthony Mackie's interview that started the whole controversy before his Captain America film released this year. Even when the 2011 interview with Chris Evans (where he had said pretty much exactly what Mackie said regarding Captain America) surfaced and was getting talked about quite a bit, it was easy to notice how no one was eager to post that update on the story as quickly as they did with the initial controversy. Because it ran counter to their agenda. And even when the update regarding the Evans interview was brought up here, some people tried to flimsily downplay it, because it didn't fit their agenda in hurting the film.
 
See, it helps to actually fully look into this yourself, and you'll realize the full context puts this in a whole new light:
It's far from that one Variety guy, though if that somewhat scattered article is true, I'm surprised any celebs talk to him at all.

But you can read about it here.


Gunn isn't the first person to try to frame Superman as an immigrant (or more appropriately a refugee) but to do it at a time where massive illegal immigration (could almost call it an invasion) is sweeping the english speaking countries, its a VERY loaded topic to even bring up AT ALL. That aspect to Superman is not really necessary, ESPECIALLY in a world loaded with metahumans. If superman just said "I'm a farm boy from Kansas and I'm really strong", NO ONE would question it because right next to him is a guy from earth who is equally gifted. THe "he's an alien" is really only necessary when he is the only one at that level.
 
It's far from that one Variety guy, though if that somewhat scattered article is true, I'm surprised any celebs talk to him at all.

But you can read about it here.


Gunn isn't the first person to try to frame Superman as an immigrant (or more appropriately a refugee) but to do it at a time where massive illegal immigration (could almost call it an invasion) is sweeping the english speaking countries, its a VERY loaded topic to even bring up AT ALL. That aspect to Superman is not really necessary, ESPECIALLY in a world loaded with metahumans. If superman just said "I'm a farm boy from Kansas and I'm really strong", NO ONE would question it because right next to him is a guy from earth who is equally gifted. THe "he's an alien" is really only necessary when he is the only one at that level.

Did you actually read the article?

He briefly, and I mean BRIEFLY, bring up Superman being an immigrant. But then he immediately goes into, "but for me it is basically a story that says basic human kindness is a value and is something we lost. But it's about human kindness and obviously there will be jerks out there who are just not kind and will take it as offensive just because it is about kindness. But screw them."

And yes, SCREW THEM, because the people he is talking about are the same sort of dishonest, piece of shit grifters who were going to frame them this movie as "political" and "woke" even if Gunn didn't even very briefly mention the immigrant thing. Gunn also clarified the fictional countries' conflict was written before the Middle Eastern conflict and any similarities are unintended, which checks out since the DCU was announced in January 2023 and Gunn says in that video he was already in the middle of writing the Superman script, and the (the one they're referring to) Middle Eastern conflict began in October of that year. But of course, the grifters don't care about facts and context like that.

James Gunn is fully justified in telling grifters "screw them", really he should tell them more, considering it was a piece of shit like that who tried to ruin his career. Mike Cernovich, who was an infamous alt-right online personality who believes stupid shit like "date rape is liberal fiction", was the one who unearthed those very old tweets by James Gunn, tweets which Gunn had acknowledged and apologized for long before Cernovich even unearthed them. Yet his career was briefly put into jeopardy by this asshole.

Again, this is why research matters rather than just blindly listening to those with an agenda.

Also, why are you acting like no one would treat Superman differently for being an alien? That is laughably absurd. People have discriminated against people for their gender, skin tone, sexual orientation, age, and so forth, you don't think being an EXTRATERRESTRIAL would get certain types of people angry?

I mean, are you just as critical for Marvel's mutants facing discrimination for the source of their powers even if many other non-mutants have similar powers?

And Lex Luthor in multiple media has always tried to use Superman being an alien against him. And alien discrimination is brought up in other DC stories too. New Frontier, one of the most beloved DC comics of all time, has Martian Manhunter captured by the government after trying to hide aboard a space launch in order to return home, and when Superman questions this, the government employee says they can't know if they can trust MM as he is an alien. Superman says, "well, you trust me", and the guy stammers a bit before Superman goes, "it's because he looks like that, isn't it? Well, think about this. He could easily leave this cell if he wanted to, yet he hasn't. That should tell you something." (and the the government guy becomes good friends with MM, and they work together with the heroes in the final battle)

But yeah, it should not stretch belief at all that there would be a significant amount of people who discriminate against an alien no matter what. Bigoted pieces of shit don't follow logic and reason with their bigotry. That should be obvious.

Anyway, let's poke fun at the people who tried to destroy this movie over nothing, and the people who bought into that nonsense:


 
It's far from that one Variety guy, though if that somewhat scattered article is true, I'm surprised any celebs talk to him at all.

But you can read about it here.


Gunn isn't the first person to try to frame Superman as an immigrant (or more appropriately a refugee) but to do it at a time where massive illegal immigration (could almost call it an invasion) is sweeping the english speaking countries, its a VERY loaded topic to even bring up AT ALL. That aspect to Superman is not really necessary, ESPECIALLY in a world loaded with metahumans. If superman just said "I'm a farm boy from Kansas and I'm really strong", NO ONE would question it because right next to him is a guy from earth who is equally gifted. THe "he's an alien" is really only necessary when he is the only one at that level.


The literal creators basically gave him an immigrant story!

AI:

While the creators themselves, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, were children of Jewish immigrants and their personal experiences certainly informed the narrative, they didn't explicitly use the term "immigrant" to describe Superman in his early appearances. However, the themes of an outsider finding a new home and contributing to society are central to his origin story, making it a powerful allegory for the immigrant experience. Later interpretations and analyses, including by modern creators and scholars, frequently highlight Superman's status as an immigrant or refugee.
 
YouTube Grifters and their Legion of Doom desperate to find ANY angle to attack the film:


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The literal creators basically gave him an immigrant story!

AI:

While the creators themselves, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, were children of Jewish immigrants and their personal experiences certainly informed the narrative, they didn't explicitly use the term "immigrant" to describe Superman in his early appearances. However, the themes of an outsider finding a new home and contributing to society are central to his origin story, making it a powerful allegory for the immigrant experience. Later interpretations and analyses, including by modern creators and scholars, frequently highlight Superman's status as an immigrant or refugee.
Come on, man. We have gone over this. Superman wasn't created at a time when there were the waves and waves of hostile ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION we have now. The attitudes and tolerance of immigrants, both from their (lack of) willingness to integrate and the host societies ability to absorb the numbers, is very different. Superman is more akin to Webster or Different Strokes (aka a 'fish out of water' story) in how meaningless any kryptonian culture is to how Supes acts, as he knows ALMOST NONE OF IT. He has a distorted impression of Krypton filtered through his birth parents message and what he can learn on his own. He is physically different (in almost invisible ways) but that's about it. Is Aquaman an immigrant story? Martian Manhunter? Black Widow? I wouldn't characterize any of their typical stories as being focused around immigration as we are discussing it today, and neither should Superman. Supes fights FOR the underdog, but he is not an underdog himself, he is a GOD.
 
Come on, man. We have gone over this. Superman wasn't created at a time when there were the waves and waves of hostile ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION we have now. The attitudes and tolerance of immigrants, both from their (lack of) willingness to integrate and the host societies ability to absorb the numbers, is very different. Superman is more akin to Webster or Different Strokes (aka a 'fish out of water' story) in how meaningless any kryptonian culture is to how Supes acts, as he knows ALMOST NONE OF IT. He has a distorted impression of Krypton filtered through his birth parents message and what he can learn on his own. He is physically different (in almost invisible ways) but that's about it. Is Aquaman an immigrant story? Martian Manhunter? Black Widow? I wouldn't characterize any of their typical stories as being focused around immigration as we are discussing it today, and neither should Superman. Supes fights FOR the underdog, but he is not an underdog himself, he is a GOD.

All right, dude, careful. Now you're bringing your own specific political opinions regarding immigration into this, as opposed to just discussing a general topic of including the element in a story without stating your opinion on the real world topic one way or the other. I'll let it slide without a report, but you should stop.
 
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All right, dude, careful. Now you're bringing your own specific political opinions regarding immigration into this, as opposed to just discussing a general topic of including the element in a story without stating your opinion on the real world topic one way or the other. I'll let it slide without a report, but you should stop.
Its about the context of the era where the ideas are presented. The legality of immigration is not even remotely questionable in the current era. The issue isn't even the film, as it has very little, if any discussion about immigration. It's more about Gunn running off at the mouth and bringing it up in an interview when it has no bearing on the film he is presenting to us. BUT, discussing immigration today, which is overwhelmingly concerned with rampant illegal immigration or waves of 'refugees' who then commit horrific crimes in their new host countries, it a MINEFIELD, so why walk into it AT ALL? Why? Because GUNN himself likes to rile folks up on social media and do some shit posting. But as head of the DC comic film division or whatever, I think he's veering into dangerous territory because he is the one adding politically charged rhetoric into his art when it does have much in there at all.

TLDR so you can add it to your report: Media execs shouldn't be trolling their fanbase and they should be keeping their hired performers on a tight leash during the PR circuit. Injecting "immigration issues" into superman when the film has none, or "feminist attitude" in F4 when the film might(?) not have have any (versus a "big bad guy wants our baby, we will fight to protect it" message everyone typically supports) is where the PR train is going off the rails these days. Be it click bait journalists or actors/directors with to direct a mouthpiece to the audience, if they want the full fanbase to show up, they need to cut that shit out.
 
Aren't white immigrants not just land-takers? 🤔

Anyway, just read the spoilers for the two post credit scenes and it's … well, not that hyped as I hoped they would be. Especially not the second one.
 
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Aren't white immigrants not just land-takers? 🤔

Anyway, just read the spoilers for the two post credit scenes and it's … well, not that hyped as I hoped they would be. Especially not the second one.

Yeah, Gunn said the two scenes don't point to what's next. They're just nice little addendums meant to make you smile.
 
Yeah, Gunn said the two scenes don't point to what's next. They're just nice little addendums meant to make you smile.
Sorry, was cross-posting with the FF4 thread. I was referring to that movie.

The PC Scene of Superman was dope, I <3 the new Supergirl

edit: There´s a screenshot of THAT scene from the PC in ff4 on reddit
 
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Saw it in IMAX 3D.

Actually really enjoyed this, it's exciting and you actually get invested in the stakes.
The first act is rock solid, and even though this team has been at it for a couple years, we still get a very nice, short and sweet montage of them actually being the team and doing cool shit; the surfer is introduced quickly and she's actually very cool, really well done by having her actually surf in a lot of scenes, gives her that little bit of extra cosmic quality you'd expect from a cosmic being.

Second act could've been a bit tighter, it drags a little bit , but it's good for establishing how hopeless the situation is.
The final act picks it back up and I'm happy they put some respect on the invisible woman's name; people not familiar with the comics generally think she's just a gimmick with turning invisible, when the truth is she's far and wide the most powerful member of the team and it's not even close.
The way they resolve the situation is a little bit silly, considering the power they are dealing with, but it's good they manage it ultimately thanks to surfer, even though she's not norrin, it keeps the surfer origin accurate by having the betrayal.

The mid-credits scene was interesting, but it's not directly connected to what we see in thunderbolts, so that probably won't happen until avengers: doomsday.
There's an appropriate amount of humour, or better said, there's no silly jokes or quips to undercut dramatic/emotional moments, those get to play out fully; the 60s aesthetic is nicely realised and the space sequences in the first act look really good, especially the aforementioned surfer moments.
Not really sold on the cast though, the storms are good, surfer was actually great, but it took me a bit to get used to ben's voice, since it's so different to what it's historically has been; don't care one bit about pedro pascal though, he doesn't sell me on reed at all.

Overall a really good time, does the comic book thing much better than Superman; would watch again.
 
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Sean: 4.5/5
Martin: 4.0/5
Korey: 3.5/5

Some positive notes:
  • Great visuals/60s aesthetic
  • Great environmental storytelling
  • Great audio/visual theater experience
  • Great version of Galactus
  • Good storytelling with Silver Surfer's character
Some negative notes:
  • Movie feels too short at 2 hours and some plot points and secondary characters are quickly brushed over
  • Not enough Ben Grimm character development
  • Because of the above, they wanted just a bit more character dialogue (my same problem with Gunn's Superman)
  • Johnny and Thing feel a bit less over the top/funny like they usually would be and instead are a bit more serious
  • CGI baby/Baby plot issues
Two out of the three reviewers thought this would serve better as a video game, especially because there were so many small environmental details that made them want to pause the movie.
 
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It was ok. I left the theater a little disappointed because I was pretty hyped. Some things were done better in Rise of the Silver Surfer. If only that movie had comic accurate Galactus.
 
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I enjoyed more than I thought I would have, possibly due to watching it in 1.43:1 real IMAX so it was fun on such a big screen.

What's next on the mcu list?
 
Oh boy that ending was awful, folks who didn't like Scarlet Witch holding her own against Thanos are really not going to be prepared for the ultimate super power being mum energy.
 
Oh boy that ending was awful, folks who didn't like Scarlet Witch holding her own against Thanos are really not going to be prepared for the ultimate super power being mum energy.
Wait, there are actually people who didn't like when Scarlet Witch stalled a gauntletless Thanos for 59 seconds?
 
Oh boy that ending was awful, folks who didn't like Scarlet Witch holding her own against Thanos are really not going to be prepared for the ultimate super power being mum energy.

Folks already was expecting a super hyper mega liberal movie. Can't be worst than 'women power' from Avengers End Game, can be?
 
not going to be prepared for the ultimate super power being mum energy.
This is silly, anyone upset by this has, as I mentioned previously, no idea who the character of the invisible woman is; yes you fuck with her family, she destroy you
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Her best feat is straight up damaging a celestial

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But yeah, go ahead and be upset that the ending is true to the character.

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Caught it yesterday right after my goodbye dinner at work

It was alright, but definitely not top-shelf Marvel. Honestly, Galactus was the only REALLY interesting part

And that retro-futuristic vibe? Yeah, it bugged me more than it should've, lol
 
It was OK, not more, cool to see the big guy.

Wifey disliked it, you can't tell if it tries to be humourous or serious I guess.

Now I just want to see Lobo, unsure how I feel about Doomsday..
 
Looks like is a OK movie, will vary between people, is not like Marvel have any standart today.

Wait and see if this gonna really affect Super-man legs or not.
 
Did you actually read the article?

He briefly, and I mean BRIEFLY, bring up Superman being an immigrant. But then he immediately goes into, "but for me it is basically a story that says basic human kindness is a value and is something we lost. But it's about human kindness and obviously there will be jerks out there who are just not kind and will take it as offensive just because it is about kindness. But screw them."

And yes, SCREW THEM, because the people he is talking about are the same sort of dishonest, piece of shit grifters who were going to frame them this movie as "political" and "woke" even if Gunn didn't even very briefly mention the immigrant thing. Gunn also clarified the fictional countries' conflict was written before the Middle Eastern conflict and any similarities are unintended, which checks out since the DCU was announced in January 2023 and Gunn says in that video he was already in the middle of writing the Superman script, and the (the one they're referring to) Middle Eastern conflict began in October of that year. But of course, the grifters don't care about facts and context like that.

James Gunn is fully justified in telling grifters "screw them", really he should tell them more, considering it was a piece of shit like that who tried to ruin his career. Mike Cernovich, who was an infamous alt-right online personality who believes stupid shit like "date rape is liberal fiction", was the one who unearthed those very old tweets by James Gunn, tweets which Gunn had acknowledged and apologized for long before Cernovich even unearthed them. Yet his career was briefly put into jeopardy by this asshole.

Again, this is why research matters rather than just blindly listening to those with an agenda.

Also, why are you acting like no one would treat Superman differently for being an alien? That is laughably absurd. People have discriminated against people for their gender, skin tone, sexual orientation, age, and so forth, you don't think being an EXTRATERRESTRIAL would get certain types of people angry?

I mean, are you just as critical for Marvel's mutants facing discrimination for the source of their powers even if many other non-mutants have similar powers?

And Lex Luthor in multiple media has always tried to use Superman being an alien against him. And alien discrimination is brought up in other DC stories too. New Frontier, one of the most beloved DC comics of all time, has Martian Manhunter captured by the government after trying to hide aboard a space launch in order to return home, and when Superman questions this, the government employee says they can't know if they can trust MM as he is an alien. Superman says, "well, you trust me", and the guy stammers a bit before Superman goes, "it's because he looks like that, isn't it? Well, think about this. He could easily leave this cell if he wanted to, yet he hasn't. That should tell you something." (and the the government guy becomes good friends with MM, and they work together with the heroes in the final battle)

But yeah, it should not stretch belief at all that there would be a significant amount of people who discriminate against an alien no matter what. Bigoted pieces of shit don't follow logic and reason with their bigotry. That should be obvious.

Anyway, let's poke fun at the people who tried to destroy this movie over nothing, and the people who bought into that nonsense:



Well, to be fair, just because he started the script earlier doesn't mean he couldn't alter it in line with the conflict. It's very hard to believe that part of the film is independent of current events.
 
Well, to be fair, just because he started the script earlier doesn't mean he couldn't alter it in line with the conflict. It's very hard to believe that part of the film is independent of current events.
The HAMAS attack was Oct 23. Filming on Superman began Feb 24. So when casting extras from the "Aggressor" nation to be lots of white dudes and the "victim" nation to be lots of impoverished brown people, they MUST have made that a conscious decision and at least reflected on "wow, this looks a lot like the israeli/palestein conflict". Given that stuff was filmed in either Norway or around Atlanta, AFAICT, its a VERY DELIBERATE decision to cast that way because that certainly isn't what the locals just happen to look like.

I think Gunn is far too smart to not have seen it, but I also think he has a strong streak of being a shit poster and I think he just thought it would be funny, never expecting it to still be a conflict a year after they wrapped filming.
 
I think expectations are too high for these movies these days. I mean people said Thunderbolts was good, and I thought it was a turd (bad acting, stupid plot, no character).

They are like those stupid action movies from the 80s, they were camp but fun.
 
The HAMAS attack was Oct 23. Filming on Superman began Feb 24. So when casting extras from the "Aggressor" nation to be lots of white dudes and the "victim" nation to be lots of impoverished brown people, they MUST have made that a conscious decision and at least reflected on "wow, this looks a lot like the israeli/palestein conflict". Given that stuff was filmed in either Norway or around Atlanta, AFAICT, its a VERY DELIBERATE decision to cast that way because that certainly isn't what the locals just happen to look like.

I think Gunn is far too smart to not have seen it, but I also think he has a strong streak of being a shit poster and I think he just thought it would be funny, never expecting it to still be a conflict a year after they wrapped filming.
7/10.
 
I needed more Galactus in this movie , I liked the retro Earth but I wasnt a fan of the castings (at least it wasnt Tom and Zenda)
I think Anson Mount would have been a good Reed Richards
 
Oh boy that ending was awful, folks who didn't like Scarlet Witch holding her own against Thanos are really not going to be prepared for the ultimate super power being mum energy.

Didn't like that part either. It could have all of them united, would be a cool family aspect.
People will probably use the "it happens in the comics" excuse, but it can be both stupid in the comics and in the movies. I didn't know the comics has stupidity immunity lol

So far this movie has being what? 6 I think. At least is more than I though it would be, I was expecting to be Ironheart levels of bad.
 


Joe: 7/10
OJ: 8/10
Alex: 8/10

Some notes:
  • Great visuals "The money is on the screen" says Joe
  • Great music
  • Great character chemistry between the main 4
  • The movie nails the family feeling between them
  • Movie does emotional moments well and lets those moments breathe.
  • Pacing is a bit more traditional than modern/fast
  • Movie doesn't use humor in that typical Marvel way
  • Screenplay feels like the writers were all on the same page compared to other Marvel movies
  • Is watchable as a standalone experience
  • Alex says for him it's better than Superman, but they really shouldn't be directly compared
  • Felt like the movie could have been a bit longer for a more fleshed out experience
  • Feels like it needs some sort of sequel or prequel due to the above
  • Wanted more Silver Surfer story (they really liked what was shown)
  • There are a few moments that fall flat due to not enough film length
  • Good start for Phase 6
 
Didn't like that part either. It could have all of them united, would be a cool family aspect.

Same, they had a great setup for the new big bad but then you see one angry mum knock him on his ass and now I'm thinking, well, the big bad really doesn't stand a chance against the avengers and co, it's a shame to see them neutered so quickly!

Wish they had more films where the big bad stays terrifying and the heroes just barely survive/escape for a film or two, Thanos was awesome, but Antman beating Kang, then this, is a step backwards imo

Hopefully they go full horror mode with Doom.
 
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Same, they had a great setup for the new big bad but then you see one angry mum knock him on his ass and now I'm thinking, well, the big bad really doesn't stand a chance against the avengers and co

Wish they had more films where the big bad stays terrifying and the heroes just barely survive/escape, Thanos was awesome, but Antman beating Kang then this is really disappointing.

Hopefully they go full horror with Doom.
To be honest they should end Doomsday or whatever with all the heroes throwing gold bars at Doom, and as each one hits he says "The more money you throw at me, the more POWERFUL I become!!!!" as it's purely the amount of $$$ Disney can dump on RDJ that will determine how long he sticks around.
 
the big bad really doesn't stand a chance against the avengers and co
...she's more powerful than most of the avengers, she'd only lose to a couple, like hulk, because she has no real way to harm them, everyone else gets instant killed; also she didn't even harm galactus, just push him back, and then she fucking failed anyway and died
 
I'm very suprised by the Rotten Tomatoes score. I would have expected it to be between 75-83 after seeing the movie. Good score but not ground breaking.
 
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Just back in from seeing this. I thought it was fun. The 60s retro-future stuff gave things a bit of a different feel, which I think is important since we've had so much Marvel stuff that now feels like it has a house style. It's kind of a pity that they'll presumably be getting smashed into the same Earth as the rest of the MCU in the near future. They also managed to have some of the campier elements, like Mole Man, in a way that felt fun and didn't throw off the tone for the other stuff the film was going for. You really felt like these people would definitely have their own Saturday morning cartoon and breakfast cereal.

I thought they did a nice job with Reed, he's a character who can be tricky to balance since he has this hubris due to his intelligence, but he still needs to be someone the audience roots for.

My Dad was a big fan of the Silver Surfer and that cosmic element. So I found myself thinking how much he'd have enjoyed the part with her surfing the edge of the black hole.

The Jack Kirby quote at the end and Earth 828 being named in his honour was nice to see since he's not had that much recognition in the MCU.
 
Was good fun. 8.5/10.

Did not like Mole Man, literally just a dude in glasses wtf.

Pedro's forced Reed voice is probably the most annoying thing I've heard in some time.

Prior to movie did not care for Susan. But she killed it, fine ass.
 
Just left the theater about 30 minutes ago, really enjoyed it. This and Thunderbolts gives me some hope for Marvel moving forward.

Now, I did subject myself to watching the 3 previous FF movies this week (which maybe in retrospect was too much FF for one week.) Old ones aren't near as bad as I remember, and this new one came awfully close to mirroring Rise of the Silver Surfer.

Overall, solid 8/10 movie. Great chemistry with the cast, Pedro pulled off Reed way more than I thought he would, and the first credits scene was hype.
 
Watched it today. It was better than I expected. Felt like most movies these days, trailers gave away to much. Excited to see what's next.
 
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