Sold my old car and got a gun as part of the deal. What now?

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Thanks. I was aware of trigger locks, but didn't know they were the preferred method. Also didn't know to clean after every use. Much appreciated.

I'm not sure there's a "preferred" method. If you want to own a bunch of guns a safe might be a good option simply because guns hold value.

But trigger locks are a cheap solution to gun safety and many people don't think about them.
 
A lot of GAFers sure do over react about the trading / selling of firearms. Private selling/trading of firearms is a common thing in the states, it's not a big deal.

There are basically 2 rules people have to follow generally speaking, can't sell to a felon and can't sell to someone who lives in a different state. Other than that it's no different than selling any other piece of private property.

With that being said my advice for OP would be if you decide you want to keep it then take gun safety seriously, learn the 4 golden rules and go from there:
- treat all firearms as if they are loaded
- know your target and what's behind it
- do not point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy
- keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire it

If you decide you don't want it then just sell it on armslist.com

I am a little confused about this "certificate" you got tho, I'm pretty sure every state that issues carry conceal license at the very minimum requires a federal background check, so I'm not sure if that certificate was blowing smoke up your ass or what
 
OP - just be careful until you know more. Glocks don't have traditional safeties as such and you can't de-cock them. If there's a round in the chamber, it doesn't take much strength to accidentally shoot yourself if your finger or thumb finds its way inside the trigger guard. Picking up a hot Glock isn't something that should be taken lightly.

I'd urge you to view a bunch of "accidental shooting" "accidental discharge" and "negligent discharge" videos. Viewing these will give you a better understanding on how suddenly shit can go horribly wrong. It only takes a split second of inattention to fuck your day up. Learn slowly and learn properly. If you're going to keep it, go to the range at least once every two months or so.

Here's one video of note (not gory) - a DEA agent shoots himself in the foot in a classroom whilst giving a firearm safety demo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

The guy shoots himself literally a second after saying that he's the only one in the room professional enough to carry a Glock 40. He got handed a weapon and was told it was clear but he didn't check it himself. The chamber was probably empty but I suspect a loaded magazine was still in it. He drops the slide, chambering a round. Either his trigger discipline was poor (keep your finger outside the trigger guard) or he wanted to pull the trigger on an empty chamber for some reason (whilst pointing it at his foot??). Either way, he fucked up and it could have been much worse. As a safety video, I think it works quite well - this guy took one for the team.

Always check a weapon, even if you were the one to put it in the safe the night before, but especially if someone hands one to you. Never take anyone's word that it's clear. You are responsible for that weapon. Learn the proper way to check a weapon is clear, which will always start from removing the magazine first.
 
A lot of GAFers sure do over react about the trading / selling of firearms. Private selling/trading of firearms is a common thing in the states, it's not a big deal.

There are basically 2 rules people have to follow generally speaking, can't sell to a felon and can't sell to someone who lives in a different state. Other than that it's no different than selling any other piece of private property.

With that being said my advice for OP would be if you decide you want to keep it then take gun safety seriously, learn the 4 golden rules and go from there:
- treat all firearms as if they are loaded
- know your target and what's behind it
- do not point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy
- keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire it

If you decide you don't want it then just sell it on armslist.com

I am a little confused about this "certificate" you got tho, I'm pretty sure every state that issues carry conceal license at the very minimum requires a federal background check, so I'm not sure if that certificate was blowing smoke up your ass or what
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Yes, it is indeed very common. So are the 30,000+ gun deaths each year. No big deal.
 
I've been seeing this a lot lately. Race refers to inherited physical traits combined with languages and cultures. There are certainly races of people. Do the people that say this mean species?

The point is that race is an artificial construct that we humans created. There are no hard lines between the races either morphologically in our genes, there is a continuum. But we humans created this artificial concept of 'race' with fuzzy lines and ridiculous tests such as the pencil test just so we can be bigoted dicks.
 
You bring up the amount of car deaths that happen when you argue against the sale of property between two private parties?

As long as I can't ride a bullet to work this comparison is just lazy.

edit: I'm not dead set against gun ownership, but I think selling guns privately/during gun shows has to be moe regulated.
 
As long as I can't ride a bullet to work this comparison is just lazy.

edit: I'm not dead set against gun ownership, but I think selling guns privately/during gun shows has to be moe regulated.

Agreed but that's another conversation for another time. As it is now OP owns a gun and has to follow the laws as they are on the books now if they wanna sell it. Not the laws we'd like to see one day....
 

lol @ "Unapologetically Pro-life" and "The Conserv-o-sphere"

I like how in their Homocides in 2011 bar graph, they only included rifles because I'm assuming including guns in general would damage their argument.

Their statistic stating that of all Civilian Justifiable Homicides, 77% the weapon was a gun and 99% for police, means nothing.
This is what's on their explanation page:
77.3% of justifiable homicides committed by civilians involved a gun – this statistic comes from the FBI’s most recent unified crime report which states that 201 of the 260 total justified homicides in 2011 involved a firearm.

99.2% of justifiable homicides committed by police involved a gun – this statistic also comes from the FBI’s most recent unified crime report which states that 390 of the 393 total justified homicides in 2011 involved a firearm.

Since the title of the infographic is "Gun facts you need to know" What exactly does this tell me? Again is there a statistic for unjustifiable homicide?

I'm not American so it doesn't really affect me. But this is some biased rubbish that doesn't even have anything to do with the post you quoted.
 
As long as I can't ride a bullet to work this comparison is just lazy.

edit: I'm not dead set against gun ownership, but I think selling guns privately/during gun shows has to be moe regulated.

What does the function of the car/gun have anything to do with this? They're both private property and are both legally owned. Cars currently kill more peopl than guns. It's not lazy at all.

Edit: I'm not against regulation BTW. Requiring some sort of paperwork between two private properties would be prudent. I just think the GAF shock that people trade guns is hilarious.
 
I like how in their Homocides in 2011 bar graph, they only included rifles because I'm assuming including guns in general would damage their argument.

I believe they used only rifles because when gun control is on the legislative table, people call for the "scary" firearms to be banned (AR15s and AK47s) when, in reality, they contribute the least to violent crime.
 
SuicideUZI
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Yes, it is indeed very common. So are the 30,000+ gun deaths each year. No big deal.

About 20k of those are suicides, are they not? Whilst 20k isn't a number to brag about, I don't think people should be restricted on what they can buy because some other people want to end their own lives, considering a large chunk of them would find another way if they had to, although admittedly, guns offer a higher success rate.

Homicides and accidental shootings make up the rest. Accidental shootings account for around 1,000 per year. It's almost insignificant, but obviously it's better if safe storage and handling best-practice is adhered to and enforced. Saying that, when you look at accidental falls, accidental motor vehicle accidents and accidental poisoning, accidental shootings would be very hard to see on a bar graph. Keeping guns locked up and/or inoperable would stop kids getting hold of them and stop a lot of school shootings, so for this reason alone, guns should be stored in such a manner.

If there's going to be a number used in a debate, it should be the 11,000 or so gun homicides a year, "justified" or not.

I like how in their Homocides in 2011 bar graph, they only included rifles because I'm assuming including guns in general would damage their argument.

There was, and still is, a debate specifically on banning "assault rifles" over handguns, which would suggest that assault rifles are some giant threat. The graph shows that rifles, which would also include traditional "fud" rifles, really aren't that significant in terms of homicides committed. Of course if you put handguns in there, they would dominate.
 
Its just a certificate of the gun course which you apparently need to get the carry license. I'm getting the carry license next week. But thanks for insulting me and shitting on the thread without even taking your time to read a page back
That's what you said at first, you still have no idea about gun ownership and even through your ignorance you think him saying you completed a course you didn't was a good idea. You're not even trying to learn and you said multiple times that it would let you carry your gun in public. You're the one who doesn't understand, not others.
 
I believe they used only rifles because when gun control is on the legislative table, people call for the "scary" firearms to be banned (AR15s and AK47s) when, in reality, they contribute the least to violent crime.

There was, and still is, a debate specifically on banning "assault rifles" over handguns, which would suggest that assault rifles are some giant threat. The graph shows that rifles, which would also include traditional "fud" rifles, really aren't that significant in terms of homicides committed. Of course if you put handguns in there, they would dominate.


Fair enough, but omitting the values for handguns is intentionally misleading even if it would have helped that person's case or not.
 
SuicideUZI
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Yes, it is indeed very common. So are the 30,000+ gun deaths each year. No big deal.

Oh please. For one, half of those are suicides. And two, irresponsible alcohol usage actually results in significantly more deaths per year than guns yet you don't hear anybody saying we should reinstate prohibition.
 
Fair enough but omitting the data for other types of firearms is still misleading.

I totally agree, and the site definitely has a bias, but they preface that rifle graph with the fact that people were seeking to ban rifles because of their perceived danger. If they had an argument of all guns are involved in less murders, they would have a tough time explaining that one, but that's not the argument they set up.
 
What does the function of the car/gun have anything to do with this? They're both private property and are both legally owned. Cars currently kill more peopl than guns. It's not lazy at all.

Edit: I'm not against regulation BTW. Requiring some sort of paperwork between two private properties would be prudent. I just think the GAF shock that people trade guns is hilarious.

People are shocked because gun culture isn't prevelant in other countries and you have to jump through a ton of legal hoops just to own a gun, not to speak of concealed carry which is completely outlawed in most countries.
So the concept that people trade firearms like an everyday item is strange, because most people from said cultures mostly know guns only from movies and videogames. (Heck, even police officers are unarmed in a lot of places)
 
People are shocked because gun culture isn't prevelant in other countries and you have to jump through a ton of legal hoops just to own a gun, not to speak of concealed carry which is completely outlawed in most countries.
So the concept that people trade firearms like an everyday item is strange, because most people from said cultures mostly know guns only from movies and videogames. (Heck, even police officers are unarmed in a lot of places)

I guess we are multinational board and I suppose I am forgetting that.
 
Fair enough but omitting the data for other types of firearms is still misleading.

You get misleading representations of statistics on both sides of the gun debate. People should examine multiple sides of an argument rather than consuming the ideologically driven dogma that's fed to them by their party of choice (that's not a remark directed at you).

However, on this specific point, I'd suggest that assault rifle control was mentioned specifically and repeatedly in the gun debate, all the way to the President. It's something that gun activists on both sides are very familiar with. The info-graphic clearly mentions this.
 
You get misleading representations of statistics on both sides of the gun debate. People should examine multiple sides of an argument rather than consuming the ideologically driven dogma that's fed to them by their party of choice (that's not a remark directed at you).

However, on this specific point, I'd suggest that assault rifle control was mentioned specifically and repeatedly in the gun debate, all the way to the President. It's something that gun activists on both sides are very familiar with. The info-graphic clearly mentions this.

Yeah I remevet at the time most prudent gunowners were wondering why they were trying to ban the 233 instead of just limiting clip size.

It's not only the statistics that gets skewed in this debate it's also the imagery as well. The 233 scared people because of all of its attachments and shit.

Also fuck the NRA.
 
Get a few more guns and make this

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Its just a certificate of the gun course which you apparently need to get the carry license. I'm getting the carry license next week. But thanks for insulting me and shitting on the thread without even taking your time to read a page back

If he printed you out the certificate saying that you took the course, but you really didn't then I would highly recommend throwing it away and actually taking the course. If it's anything in FL like it is in Ohio then you will learn valuable information if you have never owned or used a gun before. It's not a hard class and you aren't pressured into being a marksman or anything like that. It's more about the laws surrounding owning and using a firearm and making sure that you can safely handle one. It's really worth it if you are new to firearms even if you decide to not get your carry license.

That's kind of disappointing that someone would even write out the certificate for someone who hasn't gone through the course to be honest.
 
This might be a weird topic. I never owned a gun before. I recently sold my car and the buyer made me a good offer and wanted to give me $500 under asking price and a brand new Glock and ammo. I accepted, now I have a gun. What do I do now? Drive to the woods and shoot? I heard that you can fire guns outside of the city limits. I really have no idea what to do with this thing it also feels a bit strange to have a gun at home

Sell the gun to a gun shop, get more money. If you've never used a gun before/are a novice with them, it's better you don't have one.
 
Guns trade hands all the time around here (Texas) just go out to the woods and shoot your ass off. Be warned though that the bullets will cost a lot of dough in the long run.
 
Sell the gun to a gun shop, get more money. If you've never used a gun before/are a novice with them, it's better you don't have one.

In my experience a gun shop is the worst place to sell a gun. They aren't going to give you anywhere near the retail value for one. Much better selling privately if you want to get the most money you can out of it. Sort of like selling a car to a dealer vs privately
 
I'm laughing at all the anti-firearms bull in this thread, good lord.

Have any of you guys been to a range or gone shooting outdoors? It's a fun experience, and perfectly safe as long as you obey standard operating procedure and firearms safety.

To the OP, be very careful and take some time to learn about your Glock and basic firearms safety. The Glock is a combat pistol and thus has no safety, meaning it is incredibly easy to have an accidental discharge.

Enjoy your new gun OP, don't let these guys bring you down and please learn to be extremely responsible with it. I've been raised around firearms my whole life, and I've seen my fair share of dumb people with guns and it doesn't reflect well on a hobby that is already consistently lambasted. You also end up becoming an incredible danger to those around you, which is something you should consider but the only way to learn, is to practice.

While I personally don't carry in public, I do keep a .45 1911A1 and a Walther P1 around the house for self defense, but that's only because I am very good with those handguns, I've taken classes, and put in A LOT of range time in the past, and my father trained me how to shoot the same way he used to train Navy Seals. In a different time I wouldn't even bother keeping guns around, but considering how many home invasions I've been the victim of, and how firearms have saved the lives of my family and myself... I'd rather have it and not need it ever, and occasionally enjoy some time at the range for fun.

I also have a couple Mosin Nagant rifles, a 91/30 and an M44, I love shooting those at the range because you really get a perspective on history when you hold it in your hands. I've always been fascinated by history and firearms of various nations. Hell, I tracked my 91/30 back to Stalingrad, it's a strange feeling to hold something that was a part of one of the bloodiest conflicts the world has ever seen.


Sell the gun to a gun shop, get more money. If you've never used a gun before/are a novice with them, it's better you don't have one.

He can't overcome being a novice unless he learns how to use it properly.
 
I learned something new because of this thread: Arnie got shot with hollow point bullets in Terminator 2 by the T1000 in the shopping mall. In the deleted scene where Sarah Connor treats him and takes out the bullets out of his back you clearly see hollow point shells which I didn't know how they looked like before this thread.
 
In my experience a gun shop is the worst place to sell a gun. They aren't going to give you anywhere near the retail value for one. Much better selling privately if you want to get the most money you can out of it. Sort of like selling a car to a dealer vs privately

Either way, I guess, though selling a firearm to an actual shop seems a lot less shady/unsafe to me.

He can't overcome being a novice unless he learns how to use it properly.

Sure, but it'd be better if he knew the ins-and-outs of firearms better before he finds himself suddenly owning one.
 
Hang on, all he did was press print on his computer? How can it not be a legal requirement to have at least taken a safety and shooting course? I'm lost for words to be honest. This is some fucked up shit.

State laws. Depending on the state.

In my state, a non-dealer can sell a gun to anyone so long as they don't suspect that person as being a felon. No background check. No dealers involved. Gun show loop hole ftw.
 
Sell the gun to a gun shop, get more money. If you've never used a gun before/are a novice with them, it's better you don't have one.

If the OP is interested in learning, he/she can do so in the proper channels. By your logic, no one should ever start shooting because you aren't born with a gun in your hand.

OP, go shoot with guided instruction. Read about gun safety. Use some common sense. If you like it, enjoy your new hobby safely. If you don't like it, sell the gun for cash money.
 
About 20k of those are suicides, are they not? Whilst 20k isn't a number to brag about, I don't think people should be restricted on what they can buy because some other people want to end their own lives, considering a large chunk of them would find another way if they had to, although admittedly, guns offer a higher success rate.

Homicides and accidental shootings make up the rest. Accidental shootings account for around 1,000 per year. It's almost insignificant, but obviously it's better if safe storage and handling best-practice is adhered to and enforced. Saying that, when you look at accidental falls, accidental motor vehicle accidents and accidental poisoning, accidental shootings would be very hard to see on a bar graph. Keeping guns locked up and/or inoperable would stop kids getting hold of them and stop a lot of school shootings, so for this reason alone, guns should be stored in such a manner.

If there's going to be a number used in a debate, it should be the 11,000 or so gun homicides a year, "justified" or not.



There was, and still is, a debate specifically on banning "assault rifles" over handguns, which would suggest that assault rifles are some giant threat. The graph shows that rifles, which would also include traditional "fud" rifles, really aren't that significant in terms of homicides committed. Of course if you put handguns in there, they would dominate.

Oh please. For one, half of those are suicides. And two, irresponsible alcohol usage actually results in significantly more deaths per year than guns yet you don't hear anybody saying we should reinstate prohibition.

Why do you guys think suicide doesn't matter?


It has been found that one of the best ways to reduce veteran suicides is to have them not have guns as civilians.
 
Why do you guys think suicide doesn't matter?


It has been found that one of the best ways to reduce veteran suicides is to have them not have guns as civilians.

Another is to, you know, actually deal with mental health issues in society that would still exist in the absence of guns. But maybe that is too downstream for you. It is for a lot of politicians, that's for sure.

At any rate...this is not a gun control thread. Anyone that follows these things knows you are already fervently anti-gun, so there are no revelations to be had here.
 
Another is to, you know, actually deal with mental health issues in society that would still exist in the absence of guns. But maybe that is too downstream for you. It is for a lot of politicians, that's for sure.
Its the nanny state way to put bandaids on problems instead of out right fixing them.
 
Why do you guys think suicide doesn't matter?


It has been found that one of the best ways to reduce veteran suicides is to have them not have guns as civilians.

One of the best ways to reduce veteran suicides is to not send them off to pointless wars in the first place. The second is to support them after they return from action and maybe include training on dealing with mental issues before they finish basic and throughout their career, including a regular, mandatory health check-up as part of their service contract and any ongoing pension. But I digress.

I didn't say suicides don't matter. I'd be happy to pay extra taxes to help fight the causes of it. I contribute to Beyond Blue regularly, which is an excellent local charity that raises both funds and awareness of mental illnesses like depression and anxiety. What I did say is that people shouldn't be punished by withholding goods from them because other people sometimes use those goods for self harm. Otherwise we should ban water, cliffs, party helium and rope. Hell, if you wanted to stop most suicides you'd probably be able to do so by simply banning alcohol. I will say that alcohol + guns is a horrible combination in terms of people making impulsive decisions about suicide.

I also said that a large chunk of people would use other methods if they couldn't get access to a gun. How big that chunk is is difficult to determine. Looking by country, there doesn't seem to be any correlation between suicide rates and gun ownership, even countries of similar cultural mix and socio-economic ranges (like Australia and the UK) don't have a lot of difference between them, despite Australia having almost double the firearm ownership rate and more liberal gun laws. The US suicide rate is only marginally higher than the UK, and you know the difference in gun ownership rates and regulatory controls between the two countries.
 
Alright i'm going to go to the swamps with my coworker this weekend to fire my gun and his AK47. He also has a Glock so he will show me how to maintain it and handle it. I guess I will probably keep it after all...
 
Alright i'm going to go to the swamps with my coworker this weekend to fire my gun and his AK47. He also has a Glock so he will show me how to maintain it and handle it. I guess I will probably keep it after all...

Someone please Inform me: Is the AK semi or full auto?

I'd be weirded the fuck out if the US allowed military grade weaponry in civilian hands. The only knowledge I have on the 47 is that it's a durable weapon and Kalashnikov's greatest work.
 
If you're interested in keeping it.

Take a firearm safety course.
Research your glock and know it from the inside out.
Unload the gun, including the round in the chamber.
Always treat the gun as if it is loaded, do not fingerbang it or pretend it is a toy under any circumstances.
Keep your finger off the damn trigger.

This is an Australian thing so I'm not sure if Americans do it, but keep the ammo and the weapon in separate safes/secure storage.
 
Someone please Inform me: Is the AK semi or full auto?

I'd be weirded the fuck out if the US allowed military grade weaponry in civilian hands. The only knowledge I have on the 47 is that it's a durable weapon and Kalashnikov's greatest work.

The AK47 is a semi automatic weapon. You need a special permit for fully automatic weapons in Florida from what I understand which you get from the police and involves a background check etc. Pretty much the permit which you'd expect you need for any gun
 
... In a different time I wouldn't even bother keeping guns around, but considering how many home invasions I've been the victim of, and how firearms have saved the lives of my family and myself...

That sucks man. I feel lucky that I live in a place where home invasions are extremely rare to the point that I really don't need to lock my door.
 
Someone please Inform me: Is the AK semi or full auto?

I'd be weirded the fuck out if the US allowed military grade weaponry in civilian hands. The only knowledge I have on the 47 is that it's a durable weapon and Kalashnikov's greatest work.

The U.S. military doesn't even use fully automatic rifles as they have found 3-round burst to be more effective or just cost effective, and civilians can pretty much buy any firearm that the military uses. In some cases you just need a special permit
 
The AK47 is a semi automatic weapon. You need a special permit for fully automatic weapons in Florida from what I understand which you get from the police and involves a background check etc. Pretty much the permit which you'd expect you need for any gun

As a Canadian the whole gun way of life is foreign to me (not saying it is wrong, it's just not our culture), but in what practical context would a civilian ever need to own a fully automated weapon?
 
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