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[Stop It]

so you quoted the guy instead of PMing him?

on topic..

it's a dumb decision. I can't think of any other electronic device that doesn't come with a charger that doesn't use AA/AAA batteries.

In the UK, lots of mobile phones from carriers do not come with a charger. That's still annoying but then I have 4 USB-AC chargers now, so don't really need more.

Of course if Nintendo actually used a standard USB design, this would be far easier to take because they're ubiquitous but instead this would require cable sharing or outright re-purchase.

Annoying, but hey, it'll clearly be on the box and gives consumers the option of using their existing cable, but it would be nice for Nintendo to use standard USB cables on their devices in future.

 

[lyrick]

Lol you have to be fucking kidding me, people are saying they won't buy a N3DS because it does not include a $5 charger?! Really?!

Nintendo hating GAF is strong and very vocal when given a soapbox.

 

[Pathfinder]

This thread shows why companies keep making anti-consumer decisions. There are always people out there that defend them then no matter what.

It is very possible for a person to voice their displeasure about something like this, but at the same time not think it's that big of a problem. This issue is not black and white, and one stance does not depend on the other.

 

[samn]

I don't see the issue. Many people - tens of millions - already have a DSi or old 3DS lying around, with a charger. It's obviously beneficial to the environment that there isn't a load of extra plastic junk lying around.

It's been this way for years in Europe, somehow Nintendo is still a functioning company here without great damage to their image. Retailers let people know they have to buy an adapter at purchase. There is no deception or misselling.

'Anti-consumer', oh please. As if you're the most important person in the world because you can buy things.

I am glad that Nintendo won't budge on this issue.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Lol you have to be fucking kidding me, people are saying they won't buy a N3DS because it does not include a $5 charger?! Really?!

It's almost as if the free market is thinking for itself.

 

[stalker]

The thing about the lack of AC adaper is really minor. It caused an uproar when they did it for Europe, including myelf complaining most probably, but now no one cares.

The adapter are about 7 euros anywhere and at least in my case I have four (2 DSi, 2 DSi XL) which I can use with my 3DS XL.

Lack of the non XL model is really difficult to understand.

 

[minor effort]

Look, maybe it was a shrewd business decision to only release the XL here in North America, but I'm still disappointed that they can't give a market this huge all the options other regions do.

I really, truly do not want an XL. I want a regular N3DS. I'd import one from another region, but oh, region locking.

Honestly, this really killed my buzz for anything Nintendo this morning.

 

[Derpyduck]

Nintendo hating GAF is strong and very vocal when given a soapbox.

Man, you keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. I hope you and your persecution complex are cozy down there.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Does the Wii U Gamepad A/C plug work for 3DS? If so, I am set.

No.

 

[Green Wiggly]

No AC cable = disappointing and dumb
No white version with pretty colored buttons = insanity

This. I already have a working XL, so I was looking forward to that sexy regular new 3DS.

Exactly.

Nintendo could have made the system $220 with AC adapter included and people wouldn't complain at all.

Them removing it just for the sake of having a "$199.99" price is stupid due to the mess/confusion it will cause.

Yup. I think it's unreasonable to expect most consumers to research whether or not the new electronics device they're getting comes with a power cord. Also, in most stores I've seen the gaming consoles go from locked glass case to bag without the customer touching them in between, so all those warning labels won't really matter.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Nintendo hating GAF is strong and very vocal when given a soapbox.

Nintendo Hating gaf...really?

I bought the OG 3ds, traded it in for the XL because of the extra battery life. I liked the the New 3ds form factor, screen, buttons, and faceplates. That is why I'm annoyed, the charger not being included on the XL is just the cherry on top of the bullshit.

Oh yea btw, it's region locked too!

 

[stan423321]

While no AC adapter is an annoying thing, keep in mind there is a PS TV pack without a controller.

It's hypocritical to criticise one but not the other.

 

[Polioliolio]

No matter how you feel about a separate 5 dollar purchase, the truth is in this post.

"A lot" is an understatement, try most. It's so inconceivable for a $200 product to not include required accessories for basic operation, that even if they made the whole front of the box a NO CHARGER INCLUDED! BUY ONE! warning, most people would still probably assume it's Mini/Micro USB and will charge on the computer or phone/tablet adapter.

 

[Stop It]

No. (The 3DS and Wii U gamepad chargers being different)

This strikes me as bizarre, you make a completely proprietary connector for a console, and STILL manage to not make it compatible with all of your devices in a comparable generation.

It really is like Nintendo just hates standardisation. Thankfully they admitted this, and wont develop handhelds and consoles as totally standalone devices in future.

Do you know what would be best, giving consumers a simple choice. One N3DSXL with a charger, one without, simples. The sales of both would tell Nintendo which consumers prefer too.

 

[Quote]

Nintendo hating GAF is strong and very vocal when given a soapbox.

Seriously? I can't speak for everyone but I buy everything Nintendo puts out. Sometimes I have to wait them out, but eventually they start making sense. Lately though, they love to make really dumb decisions out the gate and fix them later.

Except region locking, which is still bullshit.

 

[Shojx]

I find it strange they decided not to include an AC adapter.

If everyone who was going to buy one was a well-informed GAF / internet user, it might not be much more than a slight hindrance, but that's obviously not going to be the case here.

There are going to be people who buy this and don't realize you need the AC adapter, since I think it's a very common way of thinking in NA, when you buy something, it usually comes with, at the very least, the basic necessities to function (like an AC adapter). Even if it's printed in very clear letters on the box, it's still going to throw some people off. I'd even dare to say the "hassle" of having to purchase the adapter separately might even deter some buyers who just want the complete package instead, and with the previous, AC adapter-including, likely-to-be-discounted XL models still available, they might just go for that instead.

If I had more of an interest in the New XL and planned on buying one, this wouldn't be a problem for me, personally. But I can see why it would bother others, and it seems like a strange decision to make for the n3DSXL's NA release, especially when they differed from Japan by including an AC adapter when they released the original XL here.

The lack of the standard sized n3DS is a great disappointment, but I'm going to assume they made that decision based on what sells here, which I guess is the XL. Too bad, since the custom faceplates were neat.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I don't know what your point is but you are a person filled with prejudices (see what I did here). I think it is necessary in the future to leave out plastic garbage that everyone already has. There is no way in defending wasting our planet with more shit than necessary. But companies like Nintendo also need to give us the money they save in form of a cheaper price. and yes, they deserved to be called out, but in an appropriate way... And you need to be called out too...for trying to categorize me as an apologist

My point is pretty simple if you bother to actually read what I'm saying - Nintendo should include the adapter in the box because it's essential to playing the system. I'm not filled with any bias or prejudice so I don't know how you came to that ridiculous conclusion but would advise against throwing out baseless accusations. Your argument is extremely flimsy; your excuse is basically 'this is acceptable because there's too much plastic hurting the planet and this saves Nintendo money to deliver us a cheap product.' This is some headscratching logic; I'm not going to even touch your pollution excuse but if the adapter only costs $5 on Amazon, why the heck is Nintendo too cheap to include it in the box? Why do I have to jump through hoops to play a device I just dropped $200 on? And if you think Nintendo skimping on a charger means they are passing on savings to the consumer, you're delusional. You're an apologist because you're defending the decision with extremely terrible arguments.

 

[Ponn]

Look, maybe it was a shrewd business decision to only release the XL here in North America, but I'm still disappointed that they can't give a market this huge all the options other regions do.

I really, truly do not want an XL. I want a regular N3DS. I'd import one from another region, but oh, region locking.

Honestly, this really killed my buzz for anything Nintendo this morning.

Same feeling. I should be excited about new FE announcement but that really hit me because I wanted to the new 3DS because the XL just really gives my hands cramps. The no charger and MM LE fiasco was just the crap icing on the cake. I think it's all a sign I need to stop worrying about buying new stuff and just get through my backlog.

 

[:Motorbass]

Well, if you didn't know to buy one with the system, yes it literally is.

Speculations... Here in Germany they put signs next to the boxes that explain the "issue".

Wow, you guys are overreacting. Boycotting, okay... The new 3DS is actually surprisingly cheap compared to the old models so it's not a big deal. Personally, I don't need a 4th AC adaptor. I bought a cheap USB cable that has plugs for all DS models, so I can charge them all at once.

 

[optimiss]

Nintendo hating GAF is strong and very vocal when given a soapbox.

Nintendo loving GAF is pissed off too.

 

[Mashing]

NoA needs some changes. This is all very poor business decisions.

 

[Pathfinder]

Nintendo loving GAF is pissed off too.

Not all of us.

 

[Juken]

Everything required to make a product function should be included in the box. That seems hard to argue to me. Is there a precedent for this? Every modern portable device I've purchased comes with a charger.

Nintendo should find better ways to cut costs. This type of thing isn't something I expect from them.

 

[optimiss]

Not all of us.

Well duh.

 

[Trey]

While no AC adapter is an annoying thing, keep in mind there is a PS TV pack without a controller.

It's hypocritical to criticise one but not the other.

We don't need to mention every stupid business decision in gaming in order talk about this particular one.

 

[Doc Holliday]

While no AC adapter is an annoying thing, keep in mind there is a PS TV pack without a controller.

It's hypocritical to criticise one but not the other.

How is that selling? That thing is a niche product.

 

[MasterOfPuppets]

I don't see the issue. Many people - tens of millions - already have a DSi or old 3DS lying around, with a charger. It's obviously beneficial to the environment that there isn't a load of extra plastic junk lying around.

This. For how many people will this be their first 3DS/DSi? If so, chargers are not expensive and it's communicated clearly on the box. Less unneeded plastic is also a plus.

The lack of a regular New 3DS is unfortunate for those who may want one, however.

 

[Save 'N Quit]

No AC adapter complaints

Welcome to the party NA

Everyone else has already attended and left awhile ago.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I'm in kind of a strange position right now where I recognize these moves as being silly at best and insulting at worst, but also kind of don't care. I have an extra charger, and I wanted the XL anyway. So I'm left sitting here just kind of shrugging my shoulders. I feel bad for the people that wanted the regular and faceplates, but otherwise not invested all that much.

What I'm wondering about now is whether GameStop will allow me to trade in both a 3DS XL AND a Vita simultaneously so that I can get this with no out of pocket expense.

 

[lt519]

NoA needs some changes. This is all very poor business decisions.

Don't confuse (edit to reduce confusion) financial decisions with anti-consumer practice. One affects the others but the financial positives of being anti-consumer (look at some of these publishers) can out weigh the negatives.

They didn't cut the cable just to piss everyone off, read NeoGAF, and laugh at the explosion. I'm beginning to think some people are so upset that they actually think they are doing this just to be anti-consumer.

What I'm wondering about now is whether GameStop will allow me to trade in both a 3DS XL AND a Vita simultaneously so that I can get this with no out of pocket expense.

Don't do it! I'm curious how they'll handle the transfers though because I do plan on trading in my XL. I don't want to stand in the store for 20 minutes and fake a conversation.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Everything required to make a product function should be included in the box. That seems hard to argue to me. Is there a precedent for this? Every modern portable device I've purchased comes with a charger.

Nintendo should find better ways to cut costs. This type of thing isn't something I expect from them.

They've been getting away with it in the other regions, I guess it was a matter of time.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I'm in kind of a strange position right now where I recognize these moves as being silly at best and insulting at worst, but also kind of don't care. I have an extra charger, and I wanted the XL anyway. So I'm left sitting here just kind of shrugging my shoulders. I feel bad for the people that wanted the regular and faceplates, but otherwise not invested all that much.

I agree, and this is as far on the other side of the spectrum you can be while still being reasonable.

Once someone crosses over into "LOL IT'S $5 DOLLARS YOU GUYZ", that's when there's a problem.

 

[Trey]

I don't see the issue. Many people - tens of millions - already have a DSi or old 3DS lying around, with a charger. It's obviously beneficial to the environment that there isn't a load of extra plastic junk lying around.

It's been this way for years in Europe, somehow Nintendo is still a functioning company here without great damage to their image. Retailers let people know they have to buy an adapter at purchase. There is no deception or misselling.

'Anti-consumer', oh please. As if you're the most important person in the world because you can buy things.

I am glad that Nintendo won't budge on this issue.

This is some next level stuff.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm in kind of a strange position right now where I recognize these moves as being silly at best and insulting at worst, but also kind of don't care. I have an extra charger, and I wanted the XL anyway. So I'm left sitting here just kind of shrugging my shoulders. I feel bad for the people that wanted the regular and faceplates, but otherwise not invested all that much.

What I'm wondering about now is whether GameStop will allow me to trade in both a 3DS XL AND a Vita simultaneously so that I can get this with no out of pocket expense.

I get that, but I think what bothers people is the attitude. I figured Nintendo should be more desperate to please customers instead of nickle and diming them at every turn.

PS I would the defense posts more seriously if most of them didn't have Nintendo avatars

 

[Solid SOAP]

Doesn't affect me simply because I have a charger and I'm pretty sure you don't need to include it in your exchange with Gamestop. (Right?) However, that's a pretty dick-move on their part. I don't get it. Like, why? That's only encouraging people to upgrade their systems, not for new people to continue purchasing the latest line of 3DS products. Pretty stupid.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Doesn't affect me simply because I have a charger and I'm pretty sure you don't need to include it in your exchange with Gamestop. (Right?) However, that's a pretty dick-move on their part. I don't get it. Like, why? That's only encouraging people to upgrade their systems, not for new people to continue purchasing the latest line of 3DS products. Pretty stupid.

I believe you do need both the system and the charger for the full trade-in value.

 

[Petrie]

Doesn't affect me simply because I have a charger and I'm pretty sure you don't need to include it in your exchange with Gamestop. (Right?) However, that's a pretty dick-move on their part. I don't get it. Like, why? That's only encouraging people to upgrade their systems, not for new people to continue purchasing the latest line of 3DS products. Pretty stupid.

You have to include a charger if you trade in to gamestop.

 

[ClearData]

"A lot" is an understatement, try most. It's so inconceivable for a $200 product to not include required accessories for basic operation, that even if they made the whole front of the box a NO CHARGER INCLUDED! BUY ONE! warning, most people would still probably assume it's Mini/Micro USB and will charge on the computer or phone/tablet adapter.

Exactly right. I'm expecting a lot of complaints February 13th from the general public.

 

[Sami+]

I don't see the issue. Many people - tens of millions - already have a DSi or old 3DS lying around, with a charger. It's obviously beneficial to the environment that there isn't a load of extra plastic junk lying around.

It's been this way for years in Europe, somehow Nintendo is still a functioning company here without great damage to their image. Retailers let people know they have to buy an adapter at purchase. There is no deception or misselling.

'Anti-consumer', oh please. As if you're the most important person in the world because you can buy things.

I am glad that Nintendo won't budge on this issue.

"Good for the environment"

lmfao

Careful not to choke on Iwata's dick there

 

[Hattori]

"Good for the environment"

lmfao

Careful not to choke on Iwata's dick there

Last part was not necessary

 

[Derpyduck]

Don't confuse (edit to reduce confusion) financial decisions with anti-consumer practice. One affects the others but the financial positives of being anti-consumer (look at some of these publishers) can out weigh the negatives.

They didn't cut the cable just to piss everyone off, read NeoGAF, and laugh at the explosion. I'm beginning to think some people are so upset that they actually think they are doing this just to be anti-consumer.

I don't think anyone thinks that. I think a lot of people rightly think that they're doing it just to milk a little more money out of their faithful fans. Because let's face it, the people most likely buying the new 3DS XL are the faithful. Yes, many faithful fans will have an adapter already. But then you have people like me who trade-in every time for the next iteration. Perhaps that's why I'm finding more and more that I'm no longer a faithful Nintendo fan. And it's a shame that it occurred not because I've stopped liking their games, but because I've stopped liking their business practices.

 

[minor effort]

This is the best looking system Nintendo has released in years and it won't be released in North America.

I'm not "boycotting". I'm just disappointed enough that it's kind of killed my enthusiasm for most things Nintendo today.

And this is just another barb in a string of very questionable decisions Nintendo has made over the past few years. Region locking, refusal to create a proper account system for digital purchases, the whole Amiibo situation.

 

[lt519]

"Good for the environment"

lmfao

Careful not to choke on Iwata's dick there

Haha, he's not wrong, but I'd be willing to choke on it if that were the actual reason they were doing it.

 

[11redder]

It's "a few extra dollars" for a necessary item that consumers here in the US have not had to pay for in more than a decade, and it adds to the price tag. It's the principle of the matter, not the cost, that turned me away.

I'm not gonna support bullshit like this, not that it matters since there's apparently plenty who don't give a shit. I'll stick with my Old 3DS until it dies.

That's your choice as a consumer. Personally, I don't see the big issue with omitting the charger, but then we have about 5 of them lying around the house. Not releasing the New 3DS though, now that's an entirely different matter.

Oh and if my experience with nintendo handhelds is anything to go by, it's more likely that your Old 3DS will stick with you until you die rather than vice versa. ;p

 

[Doc Holliday]

"Good for the environment"

lmfao

Careful not to choke on Iwata's dick there

yea if they wanted to be environmentally friendly they would reduce the prices of games on the Eshop and not bind the games to the hardware.

 

[Jrs3000]

This blows, I was looking forward to a regular sized 3ds since they increased the screen size slightly and it would have a better ppi than the xl. I'm disappointed. Will canada be receiving the non xl version?

 

[Pathfinder]

Careful not to choke on Iwata's dick there

Whoa now, this thread just took a weird turn.

 

[tbm24]

No AC adapter I can get over, it's a minor annoyance. Lack of non XL 3DS however I don't understand. I have an XL, I like it but I never take it anywhere because I find it to be kind of a hassle, it doesn't help that I bought the Zelda edition and with light travel the paintjob already has some scuffs. The n3DS non-XL was exactly what I wanted.

 

[Toxi]

I don't see the issue. Many people - tens of millions - already have a DSi or old 3DS lying around, with a charger. It's obviously beneficial to the environment that there isn't a load of extra plastic junk lying around.

This reads like a P4Gaming article.

 

[Doukou]

Haha, he's not wrong, but I'd be willing to choke on it if that were the actual reason they were doing it.

Nintendo is the first company ever to score a
perfect 0 out of 10 for their environmental efforts.

https://prezi.com/ywdgi6k8efu-/nintendo-and-the-environment/


What a weird way to change opinions about environment for Nintendo.