NCAA restores Paterno's vacated wins

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Is #409 the code players and coaches used to warn each other that Sandusky was in the process of violently raping a prepubescent boy and to steer clear of the showers? Confused by those tweets.
 
I personally think that the victims should have their say in this. The victims should decide when Paterno's vacated wins get restored

This is typical short term, short attention span 21st Century hand washing right here.

Fuck Sandusky, Fuck Paterno, fuck PedState and fuck NCAA
 
eznark said:
Is #409 the code players and coaches used to warn each other that Sandusky was in the process of violently raping a prepubescent boy and to steer clear of the showers? Confused by those tweets.
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409 is the number of wins JoePa has, now that they restored the 111 Penn State football wins from 1998 through 2011 (making him the winningest coach in NCAA football history).


It's a cult celebrating the university icon's legacy being restored
 
Credit goes to Sweeney Tom for posting this in another thread.

Sweeney Tom said:
Guess what the PSU hockey team's wearing tonight
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Hope that team gets their asses 409'ed. Whatever the hell that means.
 
The thing about "Success With Honor" (Penn State's former motto) is, a powerful team like Penn State can always win the next game. 300 wins, 400 wins, they've got plenty of wins, how many wins do they really need? What they can't do is get their honor back once they've lost it. So (in theory) they play with a handicap. That's how much they win. They win so much that they can win while playing to a higher standard.

Sandusky raped children, it was reported to Paterno, and Paterno did nothing, except put together another brochure asking parents to send their kids to Penn State, the only school never to have employed a convicted criminal (honor!).

The monster Sandusky told those children that it was pointless to cry out, because the entire State of Pennsylvania stood behind him. They could run all night and knock from door to door, and they would find no help, all they would do is increase Sandusky's wrath.

Penn State should be doing everything possible to remove this taint from their honor, including atonement, even if they feel they personally did nothing wrong. But their biggest concern is their victories. They are proving Sandusky right and proving their motto wrong. Those children could have run until their feet bled, and they would've still found people who care more about football victory than they do about child rape.
 
enanogrande said:
Yeah, this is the type of thing I was wondering about.

Just trying to figure out in my mind a bit the NCAA’s decision making process with regards to punishments like this (Or, more precisely, the decision making process a fictional Collegiate Athletic ruling body - one that was truly interested in something apart from profits and ratings - would partake in).

Maybe, with the way NCAA Football has evolved over the years (specifically with the rise in both popularity and Revenue) the Death Penalty might have become too strong a punishment to apply if it somehow also implicates the "Death" of other aspects of the University. Obviously a perfect situation would be one where the Death Penalty wouldn’t negatively affect anything else, so that there would be no reason to think twice about using it - although, an argument could also be made that a bit of colateral damage to other aspects of the University are an intended effect of the Death Penalty, so as to make the punishment as painful and severe as possible.

Anyways, just theorizing a bit here. It’s a bit Off-Topic, but it’s something that came to mind reading through the thread. To comment a bit more on the actual topic at hand, this is an absurd decision that basically leaves the organization unpunished.
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Basically this. NCAA said they will never do the death penalty again because of how it completely destroyed SMU.

But if any university deserved it, it was Penn St.

I wonder if USC can sue the NCAA for something
 
Pimpwerx said:
Why go back on this? This is so stupid. Why take them away in the first place, only to reverse your decision?

How long before the NCAA is no longer a thing? This shit is comical now. PEACE.
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The reason is simple -- NCAA looks like the good guy when the offenses are at the height of their importance and then later on they do this because there is no actual blowback to having this done. The NCAA will still be here and unless people stop supporting college football or stop going to school the NCAA can't be financially affected.

It's a win for NCAA.
 
Why take the wins away to begin with?

If we find out Michael Jordan raped a kid, should we pretend he wasn't one of the best?

How does erasing his name help anyone?
 
JNA said:
What is that site and where can I tell him to go fuck himself?
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Looks like the forums I found by searching for Penn State forums (football). It's full of people saying that getting the wins that were vacated back is a "small step in the marathon of reclaiming Penn State's glory and restoring the good name of Joe Paterno". Some posters are even pissed about the college having to pay $60 million in sanctions (donations to abuse charities). I couldn't last a couple of minutes before I was unable to continue reading. I went there trying to see if there was any merit to their point of view but I left even more certain that they're all fucked up crazy in their support of a football program even when it means supporting abusers rather than their victims.
 
markot said:
Why take the wins away to begin with?

If we find out Michael Jordan raped a kid, should we pretend he wasn't one of the best?

How does erasing his name help anyone?
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The idea of vacating wins is that you don't get to claim wins for recruiting or awards as a result of those wins, and get benefits from anything resulting in those games.

So you can't falsely benefit, get a national title, then just take the small hit but keep all the benefits and make the current team bear the entire brunt of the punishment.

Vacating wins has happened for a long time, in multiple sports, and even before the NCAA. Schools have self-vacated wins before, so they sure as fuck view it as important themselves.

And yes, if we found out someone raped a kid during their career, he should have his awards and rings taken away.
 
FyreWulff said:
The idea of vacating wins is that you don't get to claim wins for recruiting or awards as a result of those wins, and get benefits from anything resulting in those games.

So you can't falsely benefit, get a national title, then just take the small hit but keep all the benefits and make the current team bear the entire brunt of the punishment.

Vacating wins has happened for a long time, in multiple sports, and even before the NCAA. Schools have self-vacated wins before, so they sure as fuck view it as important themselves.

And yes, if we found out someone raped a kid during their career, he should have his awards and rings taken away.
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Murder?

Rape of a grown woman? Of several grown women?

Not paying taxes?
 
JNA said:
What is that site and where can I tell him to go fuck himself?
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It's from somewhere on BWI, probably their paid message board. I wouldn't recommend visiting there though, it's pretty disgusting and you'll just get banned the second you try to be the voice of reason.
 
BigAT said:
It's from somewhere on BWI, probably their paid message board. I wouldn't recommend visiting there though, it's pretty disgusting and you'll just get banned the second you try to be the voice of reason.
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Yeah I figured as much.

I just don't get it. :(
 
BigAT said:
It's from somewhere on BWI, probably their paid message board. I wouldn't recommend visiting there though, it's pretty disgusting and you'll just get banned the second you try to be the voice of reason.
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A million Pitt and Rutgers fans are banned on that board.
 
markot said:
Why take the wins away to begin with?

If we find out Michael Jordan raped a kid, should we pretend he wasn't one of the best?

How does erasing his name help anyone?
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I guess if it follows that the coach knew about it, but didn't make a big fuss out of it because it would affect recruiting for the Bulls --- then you would have an equivalent argument.

As it stands, you don't.
 
StylesClash said:
Bowden was robbed...
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Bowden wasn't particularly comfortable with the way he got the record, so I doubt he's losing much sleep over this particular aspect of the story.

In fact, he's probably more troubled by the 14 or so victories he had to vacate as a result of some academic cheating on the part of some of his players.
 
So not only do they get away with providing a lure and safe haven for a child rapist, they want to have all their teams wear stickers to show how proud of it they are. Totally insane.
 
It's one thing for people whose actual jobs are dependent on it to cravenly and disingenuously push for an outcome like this, but I don't think I can ever get past the regular-ass people who have no actual investment in it but can still say things with a straight face that demand to be interpreted as "I think college football is more important than child rape." This is happening in large part because of the anonymous crowds of Penn State boosters who've thrown fit after fit about the (incredibly minor, given what led to it) punishment of the school and their refusal to face reality.
 
charlequin said:
It's one thing for people whose actual jobs are dependent on it to cravenly and disingenuously push for an outcome like this, but I don't think I can ever get past the regular-ass people who have no actual investment in it but can still say things with a straight face that demand to be interpreted as "I think college football is more important than child rape." This is happening in large part because of the anonymous crowds of Penn State boosters who've thrown fit after fit about the (incredibly minor, given what led to it) punishment of the school and their refusal to face reality.
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Yep. Listening to Philadelphia radio, Penn State is probably the closest Philly has to a College Football Power, hosts and broadcasters are just glossing over the fact that Penn State protected and employed a child rapist on their team for decades. This is after suspecting and having eyewitness accounts of the employee using Penn State related programs and facilities to lure and rape underprivileged children.

Not turning that man in is seen as less of a competitive advantage than a "student-athlete" signing and selling autographs in order to eat something other than Ramen noodles.

This whole thing is political. The powerful people in the state of Pennsylvania in government, academic institutions, and other lobbying bodies believe in football and the staggering amount of money it produces over the health and well-being of the victims.

It is more important to still recognize Paterno's legacy than to take a step back and realize that the legacy, on-the-field accomplishments of Paterno, and the money generated by the football program was done so by stepping on and actively covering up the rape of needy children in the community.
 
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