Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

Hiko said:
Flat ones are out this year and will be even cheaper.

Infancy or not, the LG EC9300 kicks the crap out of the ST60 in picture quality.
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It's not quite there yet.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...isn-t-the-best-tv-we-ve-ever-tested/index.htm

But once we put black levels and contrast aside, we had some issues with LG’s implementation of its OLED technology that prevented the set from being the top TV in terms of picture quality. The first was color accuracy, which was a bit off when we compared it to our calibrated reference TV. In our set, there was a color shift toward red; as a result, whites had a reddish-pink tinge, and we were unable to make them completely accurate using the TV’s picture controls. Unlike Samsung, which uses red, green, and blue OLED subpixels, LG's technology, called white OLED, adds a white subpixel to the arrangement, and uses color filters to create red, green, and blue light. We can't say that LG's color shift is due to this implementation, but it does have some manufacturing advantages, which is perhaps why LG is pushing OLED more aggressively than Samsung.
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$3000 is too much to spend on a technology that will improve exponentially in the next couple of years. Just my opinion. I'm super-excited about OLED but having owned early LCD TVs I know how much it sucks to see your multi-thousand-dollar investment get completely eclipsed by the next year's model.
 
Anyone have insight on Sony's TV Warranty policy? I bought a KDL-50W800B from Frys last night for $500 but unfortunately the TV has a dead pixel and all of the Frys in my area is sold out of TV. So, now I've called Sony for warranty service and they had me email them pictures of the TV & damage. If they "approve" that the damage is real, what happens? Will they mail out a replacement or would I have to drop off or mail the TV?
 
I too am one of those plasma users that can't change to newer LCD's. In 2012 I changed my PZ85 2008 plasma for a new Sony LED thinking LCD tech would have caught up by then and the image was horrible, especially for fast moving 60fps videogames. Putting the TV's side by side was an incredible difference in colors, contrast and movement. I had the TV for about a month before reselleing it. Luckily, a store near my home had the Panasonic UT50 with a good discount and I was able to get one in December 2012.

Last November, I bit the LCD bullet again with a LG 4K IPS set (UB8500). While the resolution difference is noticeable (gaming at 4K60 4:4:4 subsampling), the IPS image quality wasn't even close to my now 2 year old plasma so I had to return it to the store.

I've given up on LCD's and will wait till OLED is affordable (Panasonic UT50 plasma + JVC RS40 projector is my best setup for now).
 
I saw a OLED TV for the first time at Best Buy the other day from LG. It was Curved 1080p, I couldnt believe the color and IQ this TV was showing! It was a clear cut above my Panasonic Plasma 1080p TV. The picture was so vibrant and clear at first I thought it was a 4K TV. Im going to hang on to my Panasonic Plasma untill Oled becomes affordable.
 
Lace said:
I can't remember if the 60" is pentile (which looks pretty bad in my opinion). Also I'd stay away from low end samsung plasmas still drifting around just due to the heat and weight.
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I have no idea what pentile exactly is. And the heat and weight? Of what, the TV? Could you elaborate please, I'm not too savvy with this stuff.
 
Forceatowulf said:
I have no idea what pentile exactly is. And the heat and weight? Of what, the TV? Could you elaborate please, I'm not too savvy with this stuff.
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Plasmas are the bricks and heaters of TVs, generally speaking.

For example, that Samsung weighs 60 some pounds according to Amazon. A similar sized LED would be in the 30s.

Also they emit lots of heat compared to a similar LED.
 
e90Mark said:
Plasmas are the bricks and heaters of TVs, generally speaking.

For example, that Samsung weighs 60 some pounds according to Amazon. A similar sized LED would be in the 30s.

Also they emit lots of heat compared to a similar LED.
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Oh then that's not too much of a problem. This pentile business has me a bit worried though. Reading up on it online is killing my interest big time.

Does this set also have the pentile fuckery? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BCPGNF8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It's almost the same model but 51". I can't find any info about it having pentile display, only the 60" one.
 
Mashing said:
It's probably the 950.
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demigod said:
The 800B one.
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If it's the 800B, I'd stay from that one. I'd look at the X850B which is $400 more, but if you talk to a manager at Magnolia and tell them what they can do in terms of cost they should be able to take money off.

The 800B is missing the following and comes in Silver only:

-Triluminous Display
-3D
-Secondary touch remote
-Skype Camera

The deal breaker for me here is the Triluminous Display. That is one of the key features that makes these Sony's stand out.
 
demigod said:
Hey guys im looking to buy the sony 4k 65 inch, its priced at $2500. Is it a good idea to buy it now or wait until after super bowl or whenever new TVs come out?
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I just bought the Sony XBR 65X850b last weekend for ~$2500(assuming you meant this TV).

Great TV set so far, but unfortunately there seems to be a hardware defect with the Passive 3D. Essentially there is 'motion warble' caused by some incorrect manufacturer settings that affect all 'passive 3D' models in that line, regardless of size. 3D still works and looks great until the moment there is any fast motion or panning of the scene where, much like on 3DS, you feel like it all breaks down briefly and you see double images and such until it 'snaps back'. It's really jarring, less so in movies, but games are damn near impossible to enjoy sadly. :(

There is a massive thread on both the official Sony and AVS forums detailing the defect, which Sony has confirmed but has done nothing about. (Just google the model and you'll see them).

Debating taking it back--- although 3D is on such a steep decline and with almost no games supporting the feature anymore, with even Blu-Ray releases becoming more rare with the gimmick, that I may not bother. Keep asking if the scant few older PS3 games and occasional 3D Blu-Ray is worth the trouble. (I'm starting to think no).

Otherwise it is a very impressive set. Obviously, Edge-lighting doesn't match Full-Array models(X950b) costing three times as much, but even compared to my reference Pioneer Kuro Plasma, I am quite pleased with image quality on this LED TV.

Another bonus is the automatic Bravia sync when hooking a PS3/PS4 to the set. Everything communicates beautifully, even the TV remote will navigate the console menus without any setup.

Only other minor nitpick is that the UI kind of sucks on the set. Just organized a bit strangely with some useful functions multiple menus deep, and the 'Home' menu pushes all the apps to the forefront instead of usual TV function menus which is lame. Very minor nitpick though as there is a quick shortcut button for picture settings at least.

Just giving an honest take and I don't mean to sound too down as I am overall quite pleased outside of the 3D problem.
 
Forceatowulf said:
Oh then that's not too much of a problem. This pentile business has me a bit worried though. Reading up on it online is killing my interest big time.

Does this set also have the pentile fuckery? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BCPGNF8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It's almost the same model but 51". I can't find any info about it having pentile display, only the 60" one.
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Someone else might be able to answer your question, but too bad you weren't in the market like just a few weeks earlier.

The 51" F8500 was going for $1000 at a bunch of places, including Amazon, which is toted as the best of a dying (dead) breed. (If low input lag isn't top priority)
 
Hi TV Gaf.

I'm looking for a cheap 1080p TV with a budget roughly up to £250 in the range of around 24-32 inches for use in a flat. At the moment, the most competitive range seems to be the Samsung UE22H5600, UE22H5610 or UE32H5610 (basically 5600/5610). Looking at the database in the OP, it seems most if not all these TV's are now out of production and not listed in retailers. I'm quite confused with the amount of options and the fact that some TV's listed in the OP are not available in Europe too (or under a different name).

Thanks.
 
A bit of a bump with models I researched within my price range and that have a 1080p resolution, suitable inputs and suitable sizes. I hope this makes it easier for posters to help.

1. 32 Inch Samsung
a. UE32H5000 (£210) up to date
b. UE32H5500 (£270) – Currys up to date
c. UE32F5000 (£300)

2. 22 inch Samsung
a. UE22H5600 (£185) up to date
b. UE22H5000 (£160) up to date
c. UE22H5610 (£180)
d. UE22H5000AK (£145)
e. UE22F5000 (130)

3. Samsung 27 Inch TV/Monitor
a. LT27D390SW

4. Sony 32 Inch
a. KDL-32W705B
i. KDL-32W706B

5. LG 32 inch
a. 32LB561V (£230)
b. 32LB5500
c. 32LA620V
d. 32LN578V
e. 32LN575V
f. 32LN540V
g. 32LN5400
h. 32LB580V (260£) currys
i. 32LB585V (£300)

6. Panasonic 32 Inch
a. VIERA TX-32AS600
b. VIERA TX-L32E6B

8. Panasonic 24 Inch
a. TX-24AS510

The 22 inch sets are probably going to be foregone in my choice, but they're listed since I was considering them.
 
CoG said:
It's not quite there yet.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...isn-t-the-best-tv-we-ve-ever-tested/index.htm



$3000 is too much to spend on a technology that will improve exponentially in the next couple of years. Just my opinion. I'm super-excited about OLED but having owned early LCD TVs I know how much it sucks to see your multi-thousand-dollar investment get completely eclipsed by the next year's model.
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I never said the LG OLED is perfect or that it can't be better. No display is. But it comes closer than anything else before, including the Kuro. It's black level reproduction is perfect, and that's the most important aspect of picture quality. Even if the color accuracy isn't perfect, the colors will look better on OLED by being displayed across a perfectly black canvas. I'd also argue color accuracy itself is quite overrated. Unless you're a movie buff, the Rec.709 standard doesn't even apply to games. There is no such thing as "accuracy" there; you just pick whatever settings look best to you.

I'm usually all for waiting for things to get better, but in this case there might not be OLED in a few years, or even next year for that matter. LG is the only one making these, every other company has stopped OLED development and focusing on LCD. If LG doesn't get any success this year, they will most likely go back to LCD as well.
 
CaptainZombie said:
If it's the 800B, I'd stay from that one. I'd look at the X850B which is $400 more, but if you talk to a manager at Magnolia and tell them what they can do in terms of cost they should be able to take money off.
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You think so? I haven't had any luck with furniture at Rooms to Go.
 
Well after more search in prices and the differences on the models, I went for the UE32H5000. I didn't need the Smart TV features of the 5500, and it seemed like the best in this budget bracket according to reviews. It's a shame their next size down is 22 inches, I would have considered a 24-26 inch set. Moreover, I'm surprised how many TV's in this range are still 720p.
 
EASTC0AST_GH05T said:
If anyone lives near FRYS they are selling the mid tier 50 inch Sony Bravia KDL-W800B for 500 dollars for in store pickups only. This is the best steal of a deal I have ever seen on a new 2014 120Hz 3D LED TV. The initial price goes for up to 1,198,00. You have to add it to your cart and select in store pickup for the 500$ price to surface. They are selling out so fast so if you go to your nearest FRYS and they don't have any on the sales floor threaten to go elsewhere to do business and they may go in the back and grab one for you if they have any in stock. I found this deal out from AVS forums. http://www.frys.com/product/8033214?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG , Source MSDO. I called my local FRYS yesterday to confirm this and the rep told me its a limited time offer but did not give me a date on when the sale will end. I am thinking about picking one up as a gift for my mom. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...s/1513305-sony-2014-w600b-w800b-w850b-62.html
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1.is this deal still going?
2.any impressions of this set from those that got it?
 
Hiko said:
I never said the LG OLED is perfect or that it can't be better. No display is. But it comes closer than anything else before, including the Kuro. It's black level reproduction is perfect, and that's the most important aspect of picture quality. Even if the color accuracy isn't perfect, the colors will look better on OLED by being displayed across a perfectly black canvas. I'd also argue color accuracy itself is quite overrated. Unless you're a movie buff, the Rec.709 standard doesn't even apply to games. There is no such thing as "accuracy" there; you just pick whatever settings look best to you.

I'm usually all for waiting for things to get better, but in this case there might not be OLED in a few years, or even next year for that matter. LG is the only one making these, every other company has stopped OLED development and focusing on LCD. If LG doesn't get any success this year, they will most likely go back to LCD as well.
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One person buying an LG beta OLED will not save OLED TV. The only thing that will save OLED TV is figuring out how to manufacture them more effectively than they can can be made right now. Since I'm not interested in beta testing OLED for LG, I'll not concern myself with OLED TV for now.

P.S. Zero black level is not the end all and be all of picture quality
 
DrZeus said:
1.is this deal still going?
2.any impressions of this set from those that got it?
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Obviously there will be some bum sets out there but I liked what I saw in the store, and I've been totally happy with the near-equivalent 790B in my home. Response time is awesome, picture is good, and it's really damn thin (and hey, nothing wrong with 4x HDMI!)

The only downsides are that I have had no reason to use the 3D mode at all and the SmartTV stuff, while okay, certainly isn't enough to make me stop using my PS3 as a Netflix or DLNA service.
 
demigod said:
You think so? I haven't had any luck with furniture at Rooms to Go.
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I was able to pick one up today at BBY for $400 off. A few days ago I spoke with the Magnolia manager and asked him what kind of price can he do on the 65X850B, he told me he could take $400 off. I made the mistake not taking him up on it on Wednesday when I was there, because I had to make another trip to BBY today to pick up the 65". I should of done it on Wed and been done with it.
 
CaptainZombie said:
I was able to pick one up today at BBY for $400 off. A few days ago I spoke with the Magnolia manager and asked him what kind of price can he do on the 65X850B, he told me he could take $400 off. I made the mistake not taking him up on it on Wednesday when I was there, because I had to make another trip to BBY today to pick up the 65". I should of done it on Wed and been done with it.
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What was your final price after tax?
 
Laurentius said:
So I'm looking for a TV under $600, and have my eye on the Vizio E500i-B1. Seems like a really good deal from the reviews I'm reading.

Is there anyone here that would recommend against it?
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I have the 48" and it's great. Black levels are stellar.

Lag is super low and the e series is rated one of the best tv values of 2014 via cnet.
 
Anyone know if Vizio is doing a late Q1 refresh for 2015? I keep waiting for the 70in ExxxBxxx to drop and it keeps not happening.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
One person buying an LG beta OLED will not save OLED TV. The only thing that will save OLED TV is figuring out how to manufacture them more effectively than they can can be made right now. Since I'm not interested in beta testing OLED for LG, I'll not concern myself with OLED TV for now.

P.S. Zero black level is not the end all and be all of picture quality
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LG has a new factory just for producing OLEDs. They're bringing 4k versions this year, as well as flat ones. Two other makers are bringing OLEDs to market by licensing LG's panel tech IIRC. OLEDs are not going anywhere, and pretty soon they'll be so affordable (within 3-4 years IMO) that backlit LCDs will go the same way Plasmas did.

Zero black isn't the end all be all, but it's the most important aspect. Zero black makes everything else that much better. It's why I've always preferred plasma to LCD, for the deeper blacks, because that's the foundation the rest of the image builds upon.

The only thing right up there with black levels for me is input lag, but I'm not willing to pay the Sony premium for the lowest input lag sets, so LG OLED will most likely be my go-to soon unless Panny brings a good one to market.
 
Laurentius said:
Cool, thanks! I'll probably pull the trigger in the next couple of days unless I find something better. Seems like it's probably the best value for that price point, though.
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You may find an M series for cheap too, which I think is slightly better because it has even more dimming zones. After owning a 2014 e series, the blacks are so fabulous for an LED that my next TV would have to be a local dimming again or an OLED/plasma. No LCD I have owned has come close.

Now, it still is very much LCD with the motion handling and it's only a 60hz panel, but you can't have it all I guess.

I almost have pulled the trigger on a $999 51" f8500 Samsung plasma a few times but I think I may just wait and save up for a 4k Oled sometime in the future, since they should be cheaper this year....I hope.
 
Arlen777 said:
Does it have lower input lag than LG 55LB5900 ?
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I really don't know. But I think there is a comparison online at rtings.com or something. I remember it being pretty low. I don't notice any lag to be honest and I game on it primarily.
 
Is there anyone who owns the Samsung PN51F8500 plasma and can give me some feedback? I have an opportunity to buy one today at a great price, but I'm concerned about the input lag. I'm mostly playing Xbox One and PS4.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
One person buying an LG beta OLED will not save OLED TV. The only thing that will save OLED TV is figuring out how to manufacture them more effectively than they can can be made right now. Since I'm not interested in beta testing OLED for LG, I'll not concern myself with OLED TV for now.

P.S. Zero black level is not the end all and be all of picture quality
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I meant that as someone who is interested in OLED, this year might be the one last chance to buy one.

And black level is the most important aspect of PQ. All professional calibrators stress this the most. Everything else is secondary.
 
JohnnyMoses said:
Is there anyone who owns the Samsung PN51F8500 plasma and can give me some feedback? I have an opportunity to buy one today at a great price, but I'm concerned about the input lag. I'm mostly playing Xbox One and PS4.
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Buy now while you still have the chance. You'll regret it if you miss out.
 
GAF I need your help.

I have a Sony 50W829 hooked up,to my PS4. I have it set to auto turn my TV on when I turn on my PS4 and up until now it has been working fine. I've checked all my settings and everything seems to be okay however now the TV doesn't auto turn on :/

Any ideas?
 
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