xplicitone
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Ha, nice pun
Hahaha thanks
Might have to pull it out in the Abyss on Hard Mode now as well. Thrall, meet my Secret Handshake.
Destiny |OT17| 17th inning stretch
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Hahaha thanks
Might have to pull it out in the Abyss on Hard Mode now as well. Thrall, meet my Secret Handshake.
joecanada
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Emphasis on was excited. Till you did comparison right? Lol
Overall the weapon tuning has great changes. Big points that have needed to be addressed since the games launch are finally getting attention.
The AR nerf is barely anything, you're not gonna really notice a mere 2.5% less damage per shot. If you're just in the mood to "sit back and play", you're probably not caring about damage output anyhow. If it does bother you, liquor is always there to help you through these hard times. Cerberus Vae III sober is not something anyone should have to do, guys.
EDIT: forgot to mention that they did say the AR nerf is averaged across Rate of Fire stats, higher RoF took less of a reduction than low RoF.
The AR nerf is barely anything, you're not gonna really notice a mere 2.5% less damage per shot. If you're just in the mood to "sit back and play", you're probably not caring about damage output anyhow. If it does bother you, liquor is always there to help you through these hard times. Cerberus Vae III sober is not something anyone should have to do, guys.
EDIT: forgot to mention that they did say the AR nerf is averaged across Rate of Fire stats, higher RoF took less of a reduction than low RoF.
How? Why? When? What? LOL. Bungie keeps swinging for the fences in terms of making their game more annoying and less fun to play. It's like they're sitting there thinking of ways to not make you want to play. Nerf all of your favourite weapons, Introduce a frustrating bullet sink hard mode, Make Xur essential to everything and nothing and then have him bring stuff that makes me not even want to log on in terms of worthlessness, introduce several layers of grind, make ridiculously low caps, remove your loot cave because they don't want you shooting into it, but then make people sit around 30 minutes infront of a cave waiting on a timed event etc. They're clueless honestly, and Deej is annoyingly terrible with his 3000 words updates that can be summarized in a sentence. When this game launched I thought they had a great platform to make iterative updates too to keep it fresh, instead every update just makes it feel more like a stale, moldy, fungus ridden bullshit sandwich. How can you develop this kind of game and have a several month turnaround time on tweaking some goddamn weapon damage numbers?
Amibguous Cad
Member
There's a site where I can view more in-depth statistic about my characters, right? Which site was that?
Jinjo
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No problem man. I was struggling myself getting through the update. Thought I'd get to the real deal of the post for the GAFfers here.
Most changes are not too bad I guess. The HC one kinda sucks, but the AR one is definitely most worrying. Again another kneejerk AR nerf because of PvP. The guns are already really lackluster in PvE despite what the stats say. They should definitely split AR stats between PvE and PvP.
ArkkAngel007
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I think this shows the major flaws in their methods. They look at the overall sentiments (whining) and the overall data, and tend to then make broad changes rather than dealing with individual elements and details.
That isn't to say the times they do mess with individual weapons that they get it right (Red Death, Vex Mythoclast), but coupled at treating PvP and PvE the same in general is just throwing off the weapon adoption in the wrong ways.
Unfortunately from what I can tell from the Shotgun PvE buff and from what I recall with the Vex, it doesn't seem like the game is designed to make changes according to modes (despite weapons/armor having base values in Crucible). So aside from changing damage output between targets (Guardians vs non-Guardians), anything they do will reflect across both areas. I'm not sure I 100% believe that given again how they designed Crucible, but regardless it's a major pitfall.
That isn't to say the times they do mess with individual weapons that they get it right (Red Death, Vex Mythoclast), but coupled at treating PvP and PvE the same in general is just throwing off the weapon adoption in the wrong ways.
Unfortunately from what I can tell from the Shotgun PvE buff and from what I recall with the Vex, it doesn't seem like the game is designed to make changes according to modes (despite weapons/armor having base values in Crucible). So aside from changing damage output between targets (Guardians vs non-Guardians), anything they do will reflect across both areas. I'm not sure I 100% believe that given again how they designed Crucible, but regardless it's a major pitfall.
gutterboy44
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Oh yeah, this got lost in the shuffle. Another week, another failure to acknowledge a single CE HM glitch in the update. Brilliant!
Yep, exactly this. They also have the "Nightfall" modifier which is a wipe to orbit if the whole party goes down and you have to start the whole thing over.
Edit: In tems of modifiers: Lightswitch is melee hits much harder against you, basically a one or two hit kill at full life depending on your level. The crown ones are heroic or epic - increasing aggressiveness of enemies; the shield is Unflinching I think, which is enemies don't cower after damage and the burns are multiplied elemental damage - this works in both directions, you will dish out way more damage with a weapon of that elemental type, but so will the enemies.
I've just run it and I don't even remember this week's list apart from it's all burn types, so avoid getting hit! I think it's epic enemies and obviously nightfall too; that's always present.
DrDrizzay101
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Sorry we are all currently bitching about the terrible new weapon nerf-apocalypse.
Nightfall has a few unique modifiers, you can cursor over them to get a description or press the touch pad while in the strike to read them. The main ones are Nightfall, which means you get booted back to orbit if you wipe at any point, so make sure not to try solo'ing it and play conservatively. The other one is Epic which means the enemies are stronger and more aggressive and they have more elemental shields (e.g. shanks have solar shields, etc.). NFalls also typically have different elemental burns than the Weekly. A Burn means that element does 3x damage both to you and to the enemies if you damage them with that element type. This week the NFall has burns for all 3 elements while the weekly only has Void burn.
NFall rewards can vary widely, almost anything is one the table. An exotic weapon or armor, a legendary weapon or engram, strange coins, and ascendant shards or energies. You can get something extremely valuable or something pretty useless, basically.
You are guaranteed to get 500 rep and a 25% boost to all your XP and rep gains for the rest of the week. You also get marks but I forget the exact amount, maybe ~20.
They did mention the Necro, they are going to Nerf ARs because they are OP LMAO
joecanada
Member
I don't see why fusion rifles should get nerfed so badly. Most people still use shotguns. More experienced people run fusion rifle and it's supreme to be sure, but most of those people would grab their long range, high impact shotgun as replacement anyway.
If they nerf these badly I'll just pull out TLW. No big deal to me
Toejam2501
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xplicitone
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Yea overall it's good and interesting to me. Shotgun, Fusion and Pulse have good changes. AR and HC are debatable. I think if the HC range is just a tiny bit weaker, that's fine. I'm definitely curious to see the exact range now. They didn't mess with Scouts so that's also good.
Amibguous Cad
Member
On the bright side this means that all of us who don't just use the most comfortable gun have an advantage. Hand cannons are the moneyball of PvP!
DrDrizzay101
Member
Deej clearly stated last week (I think?) that "Hard mode is hard." I think they covered it quite extensively!
Welp, with a April to June release for HoW confirmed now I can imagine this thread will dwindle down quite a bit here in a few months unless Bungie has some new events for us besides Iron Banner. Still no word on when Trials of Osiris is coming and there's just not enough content to keep people going for that long.
Luckily there's alot of games coming out that I want to play so I'm cool with it. Once Borderlands Handsome Collection comes out, I'll probably move on to that for my loot fix until HoW.
Luckily there's alot of games coming out that I want to play so I'm cool with it. Once Borderlands Handsome Collection comes out, I'll probably move on to that for my loot fix until HoW.
joecanada
Member
See? I have an unlevelled Suros too just in case they pulled this shit. I'm telling you keep one of everything, and don't trust micromanagemers like bungie... Of course as others mentioned, no word on the raid glitches
Typical micromanagers, always with the small bullshit, no big picture.
DrDrizzay101
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bungie.net and destinystatus.com are both very useful. Also destinydb.com and I know there are some others.
CouchMaster
Member
I'm just happy Bad Juju and Red Death are getting 10% damage buff. Don't care about ARs, haven't used them in a long time.
Currently, HC range is insane. The range on Thorn is pretty much tied with that of the Praedyth's Revenge. I really only ever take advantage of HC range during PvP battles, I don't expect this nerf to hurt too hard overall.
xplicitone
Member
I never finished BL2 (PC). Maybe 30 hours in. Slightly debating on getting it for PS4. It was pretty fun.
xplicitone
Member
Because they see that it has the most kills out of all the guns, ha ha ha.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
At least I can work on my backlog once I finish my platnium since there will be no new content for at least 2 months...
I love the game, but my interest was starting to wane due to HM Crota bugs, and now nerfing weapons without any announcement of fixing blatantly broken exotics - including the absurdly broken and soon to be nerfed Necrochasm.
Nerfing isn't fun Bungie.
I love the game, but my interest was starting to wane due to HM Crota bugs, and now nerfing weapons without any announcement of fixing blatantly broken exotics - including the absurdly broken and soon to be nerfed Necrochasm.
Nerfing isn't fun Bungie.
DrDrizzay101
Member
We all need to collectively decide on our new favorite game so that we can take the best part of Destiny with us. 
plantedunicorn
Member
Are you telling me the Suros is gonna have a 3rd freaking nerf? Why are they doing this? People are just gonna stop using AR's altogether if they become useless. That's why no one was using Scout Rifles in PVP before cos AR's were the better choice. At this rate no one's gonna be using AR's. It's just gonna be Scout Rifles and Hand cannons.
Reading the shotgun update it seems like they're differentiating the damage output from PVP and PVE. Why isn't this happening for all the damn weapons in the game? I don't understand this.
Reading the shotgun update it seems like they're differentiating the damage output from PVP and PVE. Why isn't this happening for all the damn weapons in the game? I don't understand this.
Toejam2501
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ReignofSparrows
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Got a core group of 4 about to run VoG hard a few times. If anyone is interested, my PSN is Reignofsparrows.
They're buffing Pulse Rifles so expect that to be the new shit for a while. Altho I hate PRs as a whole cuz I'm not a burst fire user.
It's not our fault. They're the ones to blame for having an AR bounty up every day during Iron Banner events.
PrivateWHudson
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Fuck me, I just got all of the autos I wanted and sharded my raid pulse rifles to make room in my vault. I'm taking a break for a while.
brianjones
Member
they're going halo 2 when battle rifles were the only PvP weapon
We all need to collectively decide on our new favorite game so that we can take the best part of Destiny with us.
The Division. Whenever the hell that's coming out...
I don't think its affected since it only shoots 1 projectile at a time but with Bungie coding...who the fuck knows.
Thing is, In Atheon HM, two people go down and the party can save it. the Rocky theme kicks in in your head and you can pull it off. That's why it's fun even if you scrub it and wipe a few times.
Crota HM, either the wrong person goes down or two people bite it and that's a wipe. Plus get it all right and the game still might glitch it away from you to an unrecoverable point.
AR nerf? Cheers Bungie you spenks, I was really enjoying the Abyss Defiant. My buddy's gonna be pissed about the handcannon nerf as well. Shit needs to be less bullet-spongey in Destiny, not more so.
At least I have the Oversoul Edict to utilize in PVE in the case of AR nerfs which is a useful PR. Would like to obtain a top Scout Rifle as well at some point. Got a Badger which is pretty cool so far.
At least I have the Oversoul Edict to utilize in PVE in the case of AR nerfs which is a useful PR. Would like to obtain a top Scout Rifle as well at some point. Got a Badger which is pretty cool so far.