It's just like temperature!"
I don't understand that analogy.
It's just like temperature!"
I hate his politics, but I like him.
And let us not forget braid pulling and foot stamping.
Thank you Sushi for the Agency recommend. I'll keep an eye out for it.
I think the biggest difference between Jordan and Sanderson is that Sanderson writes his sentences with somewhat of an abruptness, whereas Jordan tends to have his sentences go on longer with a heavy use of dashes.
It has very little impact on storytelling but I found it an interesting contrast.
I hate his politics, but I like him.
Well, I mixed up two related but somewhat different theodicies there. The temperature one goes something like this:
-cold is just the absence of heat
-dark is just the absence of light
-therefore, evil is just the absence of good
-QED, problem of evil solved!
One of these days I'll quote those posts where you guys talk about the last book - but not today!
This is true, yes. And Jordan's descriptive narration tends to be more... I don't know. Vivid? I suppose that's the word.
Still kicking myself that I stalled out on this one (forgot why, exactly) with only like 200 pages to go. I may make another run at it.
That does not work.
And it doesn't define good either...
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Another reminder that you should read James Morrow's Towing Jehovah trilogy. The third books is all about theodicy, as a man puts the corpse of God on trial for crimes against humanity.It's not an attempt to give a definition of "good". Theodicy is the attempt to explain why a good God would permit evil to exist. And yes, it is rather unsatisfying. I haven't come across one that isn't.
Another reminder that you should read James Morrow's Towing Jehovah trilogy. The third books is all about theodicy, as a man puts the corpse of God on trial for crimes against humanity.
How did you find it`? like some other russian novels I've read, its quite deep and you really have to concentrate hard to grasp whats happening.
i think I can only read about 4 or 5 chapters before taking a break.
Well, the first book in the triology is Towing Jehovah, a story about the captain of an Exxon Valdez equivalent who is called on by angels to tow the dead body of God from the middle of the ocean where it fell to a specially carved tomb of ice in the arctic circle. So there's definitely some dark humor there. Later in the trilogy, a fundamentalist group buys the body and displays it in a theme park. It's a remarkably good series, as is his collection of short stories, Biblle Stories for Adults.I am imagining such scene literally. It is kind of macabre and odd, yet at the same time hilarious, in black comedy-way. Gotta put it to my notes, will make a good RPG quest/scene if nothing else.
Well, the first book in the triology is Towing Jehovah, a story about the captain of an Exxon Valdez equivalent who is called on by angels to tow the dead body of God from the middle of the ocean where it fell to a specially carved tomb of ice in the arctic circle. So there's definitely some dark humor there. Later in the trilogy, a fundamentalist group buys the body and displays it in a theme park. It's a remarkably good series, as is his collection of short stories, Biblle Stories for Adults.
Another reminder that you should read James Morrow's Towing Jehovah trilogy. The third books is all about theodicy, as a man puts the corpse of God on trial for crimes against humanity.
Well, I mixed up two related but somewhat different theodicies there. The temperature one goes something like this:
-cold is just the absence of heat
-dark is just the absence of light
-therefore, evil is just the absence of good
-QED, problem of evil solved!
I felt like it mostly worked as presented in the story. But thinking about it later,it's a lot like the painfully trite theodicies you get any time anyone brings up the problem of evil. "No, think about it! Could good really exist without evil? It's just like temperature!"
My biggest issue is that, according to Christian Theology, evil is a byproduct of free will, and does not originate from Satan or his analogues. Now, the Wheel of Time is not Christian doctrine by any stretch of the imagination, but to deliberately set up numerous parallels and then deliberately defy one of it's tenets in a move that forces the universe to go through the bullshit time and time again in order to preserve free will made me pull my hair out.
Started reading that Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrel book. After the first 2 chapters, I'm kind of... too intimidated to go back to it
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Finished this last night, I'm still trying to find something similar to Bank's Culture books. This isn't it but I still really enjoyed it, I'm still looking to fill my 'Culture' gap but in the mean time I think I'm going to get sucked into this series.
Most science fiction series that I read I tend to think to myself that I would quite enjoy living in the galaxy/universe that has been created, That isn't the case with this series, the universe feels really unforgiving [SPOILER]even though 3 of the characters who died at the end of the book were resurrected in some form or another.[/SPOILER]
Start on Chasm City this lunch I guess.[/QUOTE]
Revelation Space universe is just... it is just dark. Creepy dark.
I mean, we have Warhammer 40k, but it is over the top dark, sort of crossing the line twice so it is okay. Revelation Space? Too dark and bleak.
It is OK to pretty good, depending the book but man... that darkness...
Reading A Thousand Splendid Suns. It's a fantastic but incredibly sad novel, I highly recommend it.
Another reminder that you should read James Morrow's Towing Jehovah trilogy. The third books is all about theodicy, as a man puts the corpse of God on trial for crimes against humanity.
That's possible. I have a memory like a seive.Another? I seem to have forgotten I was ever told at all!
Protector is good, and there are also three more direct Ringworld novels, plus four or five Puppeteer novels. The Known Space short story collections are where the best meat of Known Space are, though.Finished Ringworld. Was great!
Now off to either the first Vorkosigan book Falling Free, or maybe continuing on with the Known Space thing with Protector?
Protector is good, and there are also three more direct Ringworld novels, plus four or five Puppeteer novels. The Known Space short story collections are where the best meat of Known Space are, though.
It makes sense to read Protector before the next Ringworld novel, though it's not strictly necessary. The Puppeteer novels start with Fleet of Worlds, and there are four of them so far. They detail the Puppeteer flight from our galaxy and happen contemporaneously with some of the Ringworld novels. You get to finally go inside Puppeteer society and undetstand how truly insane Nessus is.yeah, am aware of the sequels, my friend ordered me to read protector first though, he said it was a necessity for even "getting" the story of Known Space.
There are exclusive Puppeteer novels? Holy damn! I love Nessus, he's so adorable! Will need to search these ones out!
BTW, what exactly is your issue with The Dreaming Void?
I do remember finding it a bit odd when i first read it but i'm inclined to believe that is Hamilton's intention.
Heck, the whole trilogy seems to have some kind of meta-themes.. or perhaps theme's about meta-[something, can't figure out the word i'm looking for].
Not a real spoiler but still tagged just in-case:Inigo's Dreams, Edeard's story... it is more or less the classic Hero's Journey with some tweaks. And the humans built a religion around it. How odd EDIT No, wait, it is not that odd.
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Currently reading it and loving the main character
Completed the Autobiography of Malcolm X earlier tonight. Phenomenal book that still remains relevant to this day. I only have one question to really ask, and that is why Mumei hasn't read this gem yet?
That's possible. I have a memory like a sieve.