Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Nobody does this.
"I have...letters from dozens of women who've abandoned their dream" (Brianna Wu)
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Nobody does this.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That's kind of what the core of GG is about
I know the details. I just believe that there is sacrifice in pursuing your passion, for some more and for others less.
Well fair enough, shows different levels of intensity people can have.
Chaos2Frozen
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So what you're saying is that it's okay (and even expected) for women to be abused and harass if they want to pursue a dream in gaming?
I don't think you know the details as well as you say you do.
KoolAidPitcher
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I don't want to get involved in any discussion on this particular topic again, so this will be short and sweet.
The vitriolic bile being spewed by internet trolls has been inexcusable; however, it is also inexcusable to allow this to drown out an otherwise legitimate concern about wanting to keep politics and videogames separate.
I will admit that I have a libertarian perspective on gamergate, but I will once again state what I have stated before. The games industry is a business, and people should vote for the content they wish to enjoy with their wallets-- by purchasing or not purchasing a game. Politics should not be involved in deciding what content is available. If you disagree with the content in a game, don't buy it. If that is too difficult, intentionally purchase the game used. Whatever your stance is, be sure you are voting appropriately with your wallet and allow the market to decide what content is in your videogames.
Stop gamergate. This whole controversy has been an embarrassment for the gaming industry, and it's all because of a small, but vocal minority of trolls.
The vitriolic bile being spewed by internet trolls has been inexcusable; however, it is also inexcusable to allow this to drown out an otherwise legitimate concern about wanting to keep politics and videogames separate.
I will admit that I have a libertarian perspective on gamergate, but I will once again state what I have stated before. The games industry is a business, and people should vote for the content they wish to enjoy with their wallets-- by purchasing or not purchasing a game. Politics should not be involved in deciding what content is available. If you disagree with the content in a game, don't buy it. If that is too difficult, intentionally purchase the game used. Whatever your stance is, be sure you are voting appropriately with your wallet and allow the market to decide what content is in your videogames.
Stop gamergate. This whole controversy has been an embarrassment for the gaming industry, and it's all because of a small, but vocal minority of trolls.
ShockingAlberto
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Do you actually see romance in being threatened while pursuing your goals?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
No. It's about self-deluded miserable people who feel the world's against them and they have control over their lives. So they do nasty stuff like this because they actually get results and have a voice for seemingly a change.
But yeah, blame violent games.
I wish that was true, but there are people who have little to no sense of control or reward in their lives and so they grasp onto things like gaming where they can get those feelings. Its better than a gambling addiction or self medicating I suppose.
CambriaRising
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I think you misread the intent of that sentence. He was saying these people have formed their identities around gaming (of which some are violent). Not really that is a result of violent video games.
Yes but I have a narcissist disorder so it makes sense for me. I see now that it's very different for others.
Chaos2Frozen
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Lets be realistic here, Gamergate has gone off the deep end so hard that it's no longer about that anymore.
CambriaRising
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It never ever was.
I'm not blaming them, just stating what their relationships and identies are centered upon.
ShockingAlberto
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I'm going to throw this out there and hope for the best, but
You guys know keeping politics and video games separate is inherently impossible unless you want to start having games made by robots, right?
You guys know keeping politics and video games separate is inherently impossible unless you want to start having games made by robots, right?
A self aware narcissist...rare as hens teeth, good for you. <-- not sarcasm.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Nobody does this.
You also appear to live in a country without freely available guns and a miniscule murder rate. And, of course, are anonymous, unlike women whose names are in the credits of their games. Your bravery in the face of danger is remarkable.
CambriaRising
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You're wrong, sorry to say. See: Gamergate.
They do have Priuses tho.
dark_inferno
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This is just...
Just make games and dont say feminists stuff/getting involved in Gamergate and you are in the clear. Not everyone needs to know your opinion on something.
Overdramating stuff just to scare people away isnt the right thing to do.
Just make games and dont say feminists stuff/getting involved in Gamergate and you are in the clear. Not everyone needs to know your opinion on something.
Overdramating stuff just to scare people away isnt the right thing to do.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
That doesn't prove your premise. Though that faulty premise does explain the weird sudden drumbeat to get violence out of games.
KoolAidPitcher
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You could be right, but I wouldn't know. I stopped paying attention to this last year. I want gamergate to stop. Maybe if I ignore it, it will eventually stop. This whole controversy has been an embarrassment for the gaming industry, and it's all because of a small, but vocal minority of trolls.
That being said, I still want politics and videogames to be separate.
CambriaRising
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Sorry that you are in denial, but it's true of this group of people. The reactions to Leigh Alexander's article is another example. But sure, keep defending these scumbags.
From who? No one is going to take the violence out of your toys, relax.
Wow.
I know it sounds bizarre, but yes, some people do.
What's up with all these, sob stories, woe is me, I'm a victim stories lately?
Regardless of what you do in life, there are going to be people who hate on you. You keep doing your thing and let the haters hate. When you let the haters get to you, that's when you lost. They accomplished their mission.
Regardless of what you do in life, there are going to be people who hate on you. You keep doing your thing and let the haters hate. When you let the haters get to you, that's when you lost. They accomplished their mission.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
You're rather unproductive here since you're not right.
You may want to address my post that actually covers more relevant reasons for why these people are asshats.
Please illustrate how me not buying that people are controlled by the media they consume is defending Gamergate.
The ringleader is a white supremacist FFS. He has a wide culture of stupid ideas to run on with or without games.
Imru al-Qays
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How bizarre is it, really? People form their identities out of all sorts of stuff, including which city they happened to grow up in, which sports team they happen to like for some reason, and which imaginary skyfather they worship.
You've offered no evidence to back up your frankly ludicrous claim that no one bases their identities on video games.
Dominic_Shade
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"Sacrifice" is pulling all-nighters to meet deadlines, missing get-togethers and birthdays to get work done, or giving up extra-curricular activities to make room in your schedule. It is not having your home address released to public eyes, receiving death threats by email or phone every day, or being attacked by an internet hate-movement.
The former is a decision you make for yourself. The latter are things happening to you outside of your control.
I'm not boasting and being in politics, stuff isn't that anonymous. Do agree with the lower danger of actually being killed (compared to the US I presume).
Wasn't self aware, my psychiatrist discovered it. I find it hard to believe it emotionally but seeing my behavior it's pretty clear sometimes.
dark_inferno
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Why wow? It is like it is. Havent seen a girl being attacked who didnt raised her voice about Gamergate.
That is a dreadfully naive and ignorant statement. There is massive difference between having a few enemies around who hate you, and having 1000 people sending you death threats and harassment 24/7. The former leads to the occasional awkward moment in your workplace. The later can destroy someone's life. Most people (thankfully) don't have to deal with people sending them highly detailed threats in the mail on a regular basis.
CambriaRising
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So basically just "shut up and don't talk about gamergate or else"?
That attitude is disgusting.
ShockingAlberto
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"Shut up and blend in and maybe unbutton the top button of your blouse and you'll be fine."
They totally do. Goobergate had a hissy fit at the mere suggestion that people outside the typical 'gamer' might enjoy or have opinions about the direction of games. You here 'not a true gamer' from them all the time, all that is directly linked to their identity being threatened. When hobbies become attachments people can form their identity around anything
HP_Wuvcraft
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Um, way to insult my creative path in life, dude. Not only mine, but thousands of others. It's called perspective.
I know that writing a play is a little different from marching on Selma.
dark_inferno
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What else you wanna do? Raise your voice and say everything you want just because you make games? Yeah that worked for Fish right?
shacklesmcgee
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How is it that every GG thread brings out the most ignorant, unempathetic people
So you really are telling people to just sit down and shut up then?
So you really are telling people to just sit down and shut up then?
ShockingAlberto
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Because usually they're posting about how X is the best game ever and Y sucks and we don't usually find out that they're like this until the subject comes up.
Chaos2Frozen
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Fish was an asshole, you're equating all women's opinions to that of an asshole.
Also, while I think he an asshole, he certainly doesn't deserve to get death threats.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
How many people are ruled by a TV show they watch etc? The claim is absurd.Imru al-Qays;151719608 said:
Like the post everyone seems content to completely ignore stated, I think you're letting the tail wag the dog and calling that proof.
It's not just women, any person who looks onto a forum and sees how gamers will call them lazy if they don't get what they want.. or how developers (testers, programmers, etc) are treated by the industry with constant crunch time and lower pay than any other branche of industry (also creative accounting to squeeze as much out of these people, and abusing their dreams against them) will get disheartened to work in that industry.
Gamergate certainly didn't help, as it AGAIN demonstrated the vile nature of it. Sadly rather than to attack that actual vile black heart and the rape culture propagated by the "DudeBro Gamer".. many "Internet Feminist" (You know the type, only a feminist on twitter and in RL they are nowhere to be seen), just attacked the easiest target.. RPG gamers and D&D gamers. Rather than to get into that cesspool that is the vile online community of certain games/brands. The more exposure of hateful forums and voicechat the better.
ShockingAlberto
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So people shouldn't have the right to say what they want, because other people will assault them, and it's actually the people who are speaking out's fault.
How is that an acceptable stance though? Keeping your head down for fear of threats and harassment is a horrible place to be.
Yes but... how credible is the threat if she's not really dead?
CambriaRising
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Because most of the time these people are in other threads avoiding ones like this until that one time they just can't help but post and reveal their true colors.
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