First Look at Jason Momoa as AQUAMAN

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Sephzilla

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So he seems like Kal Drago in slightly fancier garb with some of The Rock's Samoan tattoos?

I'm okay with this, looks badass.
 

Jaeger

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Looks incredibly. Wonderful costume design there. I see you, DC.

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I think you're really underestimating the intelligence of the average cinema goer, who will roll with it. It's people online who seem to think this shit is more complex than 'there's Wonder Woman, she's an Amazon' as an introduction.

When did it become the talking point to conflate a desire for well-executed world building with presumption of audience stupidity?

The existence of Greek gods, of Atlantis, and of Themyscira are all pretty out-there concepts, and while they don't necessarily need two movies to introduce, I think they probably require more screen time than what BvS can likely afford them.

(That is, unless BvS does a tonal reboot and gives us a full-on comic book universe where diverse superpowered costumed beings are already firmly established. Which I would be more than fine with, actually, but I still don't expect to happen.)
 
Is Zach making a joke reference to GoT with "Unite The Seven", is there a DC Atlantis reference I'm missing there, or is he talking about the founding seven members of the Justice League?

There's an arc coming up that expands aquaman's universe significantly. There are seven hidden kingdoms under the sea. So it could be a reference to that or the justice league.

My guess is the Justice League unless they want to establish him as the King of Atlantis from the getgo.

I hope we see Topo.

edit: Lol holy shit, are we still talking about characters needing solo movie introduction in a post guardians of the galaxy world?.
 

NimbusD

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I'm so confused by everyone being okay with this and actually liking it. Not that it's not good. But the internet usually isn't unanimously okay with things.
 

TheContact

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What no Vinnie chase as aqua man? Lol can you imagine if they really cast him as aqua man or that in entourage people thought he'd make a good one lol
 

Wiktor

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The existence of Greek gods, of Atlantis, and of Themyscira are all pretty out-there concepts, and while they don't necessarily need two movies to introduce, I think they probably require more screen time than what BvS can likely afford them.
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WW and Aquaman are superstrong methumans who can kick butt. The end. Nothing else is required for BvS to work.
 
That's one of the top 5 best designed costumes for any superhero film so far. Dude was built for this.

And here I was imagining some ridiculous orange and green monstrosity like the first costume they showed Vinny in Entourage.

Edit: I like the fact that they are functionally clothes. Like something straight out of GoT, that an ancient warrior might actually wear. Instead of just tights because reasons. Wonder Woman's armor should be similar - actual armor. They're fighters, not superheros to start, after all.
 
"Here's Wonder Woman - she's an Amazon warrior princess."
"Here's Aquaman - he's the Atlantean, ruler of Atlantis and oceans. He can do stuff with water and can talk to fishes."
"Here's Flash - he's a cop and is the fastest man on Earth."

That level of cursory explanation doesn't work if the entire point of the plot is that superheroes are only just emerging. (Flash at least wouldn't require much more than that, to be fair)

As I said, I'd be fine with BvS abandoning MoS' attempt at ultra-realism and going the Incredibles/George Miller JL route. But that's so far removed from MoS tonally that I just don't see it happening.
 

DeathyBoy

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When did it become the talking point to conflate a desire for well-executed world building with presumption of audience stupidity?

The existence of Greek gods, of Atlantis, and of Themyscira are all pretty out-there concepts, and while they don't necessarily need two movies to introduce, I think they probably require more screen time than what BvS can likely afford them.

(That is, unless BvS does a tonal reboot and gives us a full-on comic book universe where diverse superpowered costumed beings are already firmly established. Which I would be more than fine with, actually, but I still don't expect to happen.)

Because cinema is show, not tell.

I think people grossly overestimate how much The Avengers audience knew about the previous Marvel Studios films. The biggest Phase 1 film made half of The Avengers box-office. Which is why Joss treats The Avengers as mostly self-contained, and any elements alluding to earlier films are re-explained and simplified. Shit, Thor and Loki's entire relationship is summed up as a punchline. 'He's adopted.'

Not to mention how if an audience sees Aquaman walking out of the Goddamn ocean holding a fucking trident, they'll connect the dots that:

a) He's not human.
b) He's angry enough to be on land.
c) He not only lives underwater, he thrived there.

and:

d) Shit is about to get real.

I mean... if people see The Flash running fast, they know he's got superspeed. All you need is him to say 'I was hit by lightning and got superspeed' and have another character be all 'that... doesn't make any sense' and then Flash shrugs. Like it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, the audience sees he has superspeed regardless and that's all the information they need.
 

Drayco21

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Really don't like the look of this at all. If it weren't for the belt buckle, I wouldn't have even known who this was supposed to be.
 
Then you can explain it within a scene or two. You definitely don't need a 2-hours movie for that.

The Matrix starts with Trinity doing some weird kickass shit and then teleporting via a telephone booth. Then, 30 minutes into the movie, Morpheus explains that the world we see is really a virtual reality feed to us by machines that harvest and treat humans as their energy source. The end. The audience get that and the movie is successful. The whole universe (the basics) and ideology of the Matrix was explained within 5-10 minutes

LOL

Going with The Matrix as an example of a movie that only explains to you what's happening in a 5 min sequence is hilarious. Did the rest of the movie just fly by your head?

It spends an enormous amount of time establishing the Universe, characters, rules and roles.

By the way it's not about the audience being intelligent, it's about the audience caring. And the audience won't care for Aquaman or Wonder Woman if they know next to nothing about them. Batman and Superman are going to greatly overshadow everybody else to the point of turning them irrelevant. That said it's called Batman vs Superman, so it makes sense.
 

Penguin

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I'm so confused by everyone being okay with this and actually liking it. Not that it's not good. But the internet usually isn't unanimously okay with things.

I think because Aquaman's design is kind of silly and no one expected it to be translated properly.

This works. It has the spirit of Aquaman... while still looking cool in live-action
 

Blader

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I think you're really underestimating the intelligence of the average cinema goer, who will roll with it. It's people online who seem to think this shit is more complex than 'there's Wonder Woman, she's an Amazon' as an introduction.

It's funny that this is really only an issue with the people who actually know these characters already.
 

Kuroyume

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Really happy for him because he was awesome as Khal and took a throwaway character from the first book and made him noticeable on the show. I was bummed Conan didn't work for him. He looks amazing, as expected. And I expect the Rock to look amazing as Black Adam, the way Cavill looks amazing as Superman and Affleck as Batman. DC's actors actually look like gods, like superheroes.Well, except for maybe Ezra Miller and Wonder Woman, but it remains to see if they can bulk up. Ezra Miller is a wierd casting choice anyway.
 
I wonder if the tattoos will work like Atlantean tattoos on Young Justice- as a conduit for sorcery that glow when the powers they bestow are used.
 
Jason Mamoa is always in shape for a super hero movie. Erza Miller isn't, so I figure he will be the last to get a promo shot.

Barry will probably be like he is on the show, fit and sleek but not overly muscular. His suit probably won't be skintight. I still have a hard time picturing Miller as flash though :(.

I hope Black Manta is in the movie and it played by Denzel Washington

He might be in the Aquaman solo movie, there have been rumors that Karl Urban will be Orm though.

So will the entire Justice League be showing up in Batman v Superman?

The trinity will get most of the time, think cyborg/flash/aquaman have a few cameos.
 
Momoa has the look of a villain imo and doesn't really fit what I was expecting/wanting out of Aquaman's design. I guess there's only up from here lol
 

Senoculum

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Designed with purpose and history. I hated the colour correction in the Marvel films (Guardians of the Galaxy is the exception), as it felt flat (lack of shadows, crushed levels, muted temperatures, etc) and the filmmaking was standard (medium shots galore!).

I find it hard to see WB overstepping themselves, or rushing into anything. They've chosen some of the most seriously interesting cast members to join a shared, cinematic universe. Production times are slow and deliberate; the filmmakers that were hand picked so far have been exciting choices. The only slated cinematic universe that's on par with the serious dedication is Disney's Star Wars.

Momoa is going to kill the role; and being a few inches taller than Chris Hemsworth (the other God-kin), he's definitely going to have a presence.

Very excited to be a DC fan right now!
 
LOL

Going with The Matrix as an example of a movie that only explains to you what's happening in a 5 min sequence is hilarious. Did the rest of the movie just fly by your head?

It spends an enormous amount of time establishing the Universe, characters, rules and roles.

By the way it's not about the audience being intelligent, it's about the audience caring. And the audience won't care for Aquaman or Wonder Woman if they know next to nothing about them. Batman and Superman are going to greatly overshadow everybody else to the point of turning them irrelevant. That said it's called Batman vs Superman, so it makes sense.

Quicksilver isn't a character, he's a plot device in DOFP, and it's by and large most people's favorite scene in the movie.

They throw in an easter egg to hardcore fans about his relationship to Magneto and his little sister, but the movie never even bothers to explain how they find him, or why he's not helping in the final fight.

Audiences simply do not care about origin stories explained in exhausting detail.

How many people that saw Avengers actually watched Ang Lee Hulk or Incredible Hulk, two underperforming flops? And yet, they got the basic run down, he's a smart guy who turns into a monster when he's angry. Here, watch him CGI smash stuff.

The Joker never had an origin story in TDK. He just shows up one day, and he's the Joker, and he hates Batman. He's a great character, who's obviously a bad guy, so the audience roles with it.

If they show WW flying in and catching a truck falling off a bridge, everyone is going to recognize "Hey, that's Wonder Woman. Hey, she can fly. Hey, she's pretty strong." Whether she endears herself to audiences is based solely on whether they give her something interesting to do. The concepts of Atlantis and Greek Gods are well ingrained in Western pop culture. I think Sam Worthington made a living exploiting both.

I find it ridiculous after a decade in which some of the highest grossing films were LOTR, Harry Potter, Transformers, Avengers, Hunger Games, Twilight, Batman, Iron Man, Star Wars, Avatar, and stupid LOTR prequels, we're still here, in 2015, worried about whether audiences will accept Wonder Woman and Aquaman. We should be past this. People go to the movies to watch impossible shit happen. No one's going to walk out of a superhero genre film and go "How come that guy could hold his breath underwater for so long? How come that other guy was faster than Superman? None of this makes sense!"
 
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