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[AlStrong]

I'd love to know how things could have played out if they released these games in smaller batches, rather than going for this shotgun approach. I mean, it sounds awesome, but we see how that effected the quality once all was said and done at release.

I imagine the big downside to this would be disc-swapping unless the games that released after H2A were digital-only.

 

[Servbot24]

This makes me hesitant in buying Halo 5. I will wait for it to come out and be played a few days before I jump in.

You should do this for every game that features online play.

 

[Gestault]

I imagine the big downside to this would be disc-swapping unless the games that released after H2A were digital-only.

Obviously I'm not everyone, but I'd have been pretty happy with a setup where HCEA and H2A were together on a disc for [some price below $60], which would lead into digital releases of the subsequent games as expansions for [some price]. There could even be a "Legacy Pass" that would give you a buy-in for all the games at the start for [slightly higher price]. Since discs need installations anyway at this point, it doesn't seem too clunky. You know, especially when there was a 20 gig content patch for the disc release anyway.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

It sounds to me like people just want their game finished. I don't want my money back. I want what I paid for. If I never get that, then they never get another dime from me again.

Yeah but you're one of the folks who aren't bitching about whatever 343i says and predict/want doom and gloom for anything halo related.

You're previous post show you are going through the mud and hope for a fix soon and seem hopeful of the next updates coming. Totally not what i was talking about in my post.

 

[TRD Mr Blonde]

Yeah but you're one of the folks who aren't bitching about whatever 343i says and predict/want doom and gloom for anything halo related.

You're previous post show you are going through the mud and hope for a fix soon and seem hopeful of the next updates coming. Totally not what i was talking about in my post.

You're right. Halo is a sore subject for me.

 

[OneUh8]

Well Best Buy has a bonus 30% trade in this week plus my GCU bonus puts the trade in at $30. Might as well get something for it since I do not care to even boot it up anymore.

 

[AlStrong]

...

So basically, hindsight is 20/20. Ideally they'd have had the foresight to start such a project earlier to give all the devs involved time to work out the kinks & polish each game & the unified UI, but that's neither here nor there, so to speak.

All these ideas are iterative and all a measure of risk, but as a learning process it requires time to flesh out and also implement.

Also I'm not sure the problems in CEA would have been solved even if it were just the first two games as Sabre handled both anyway.

 

[Foolishfellow]

Where do you have this idea that updates and adjustments to software can't solve the problems involved? You said something to this effect in one of your earlier threads, and I honestly couldn't follow. You didn't answer there, so I'm still curious.

I know you've been upset by the handling of the collection, and I know your frustrations stemmed even earlier from your reaction to Halo 4. I've agreed right along that people need to show their frustration with this situation, but when you reach the point of rhetorically "stomping your feet" and saying/demanding things that don't make sense or wouldn't actually help the situation, you lose me.

Thus far, the content updates have been primarily concerned with improving stability, and tweaking the netcode to approximate the good netcode from the non-PC versions of the game. This is essentially just a bandage (and a poor one at that) for the larger fundamentally poor design decision to use the PC versions of Halo 2/CE as the foundation for the collection.

My logic isn't difficult to follow. Obviously it's theoretically possible to "fix" any game/software with patches, but my point is that fixing this game would essentially mean deleting/removing large portions of the current package and then re-building said portions from the ground-up. I just don't see that happening because it would require significant funding and what would essentially amount to an additional year+ of development with a full team.

I'm not interested in a "stable" version of this turd, I want the game that Microsoft advertised (something that has proven to be nothing more than a concept at this point). Anything less is completely unacceptable.

 

[93xfan]

Let's all not forget that the mp has frame rate issues. I don't see that mentioned enough. Also, why do they hate columns in the ui. It would make it much easier to sort through forge creations if they were in an alphabetized column.

 

[watership]

If North America was the only continent on Earth, your statement would make sense. As the map above shows, it's not. Even with the discounts and the free games, and the massive NPD sales results, the X1 was still beat world wide by the PS4.

Why is this in this thread?

 

[Foolishfellow]

The only thing this would accomplish is taking the game out of the hands of the people that actually have had no issues.

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point, but every time this is said I will refute it. This is a myth and something further perpetuated by those at 343i/Microsoft.

The code is the code is the code. Everyone has the same code. Code is not supernatural, the code is governed by a very explicit set of rules that are the same across everyone who runs it. Everyone is capable of experiencing every bug that has been reported and documented in various lists. The game's problems are not related to differences across individual's home networks, and they're not the result of faulty hardware.

Those making claims that the game "has no issues" are simply choosing to ignore the problems or telling flat-out lies.

 

[Sephzilla]

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point, but every time this is said I will refute it. This is a myth and something further perpetuated by those at 343i/Microsoft.

The code is the code is the code. Everyone has the same code. Code is not supernatural, the code is governed by a very explicit set of rules that are the same across everyone who runs it. Everyone is capable of experiencing every bug that has been reported and documented in various lists. The game's problems are not related to differences across individual's home networks, and they're not the result of faulty hardware.

Those making claims that the game "has no issues" are simply choosing to ignore the problems or telling flat-out lies.

Be careful with comments like these, those can get you in trouble.

There have been enough people who own this game that have said they've had little to no issues. I am no one of them (well, I was until one of the December patches), but I'm not going to stand here and call an entire group of people liars.

 

[Gestault]

Those making claims that the game "has no issues" are simply choosing to ignore the problems or telling flat-out lies.

Listen, for basically the last three weeks, I've been able to play the multiplayer component without serious issue. This is a change from closer to release, when the game was effectively unplayable. You can say you've had issues, but the second you make assertion about experiences or motivations you have no capacity to have observed, you're stepping over the line away from being reasonable.

 

[suaveric]

I only started playing this game today. Are there known audio issues in the single player games? The cut scenes seem to have a different volume level than gameplay. Also the soundtrack seems way too loud vs dialog.

 

[Foolishfellow]

Be careful with comments like these, those can get you in trouble.

There have been enough people who own this game that have said they've had little to no issues. I am no one of them (well, I was until one of the December patches), but I'm not going to stand here and call an entire group of people liars.

I provided two options.

1. They are non-scrupulous end-users who are looking past the game's problems. This is fine, people who purchase a product have the right to enjoy it if they want. I might personally judge their "taste" but they're allowed to make these sorts of decisions.

2. They are liars.

I don't need to be careful about my statements. Everybody owns the same game. The code is the code. Pick 1 or pick 2, those are the only logical categories.

 

[Foolishfellow]

I only started playing this game today. Are there known audio issues in the single player games? The cut scenes seem to have a different volume level than gameplay. Also the soundtrack seems way too loud vs dialog.

Yep, these are known and documented. Unfortunately...

 

[Sephzilla]

I provided two options.

1. They are non-scrupulous end-users who are looking past the game's problems. This is fine, people who purchase a product have the right to enjoy it if they want. I might personally judge their "taste" but they're allowed to make these sorts of decisions.

2. They are liars.

I don't need to be careful about my statements. Everybody owns the same game. The code is the code. Pick 1 or pick 2, those are the only logical categories.

That's a pretty narrow minded way to view it. There are a lot of things that can affect one persons experience compared to another person's experience despite them using the exact same code.

 

[AHappyPanda]

I only started playing this game today. Are there known audio issues in the single player games? The cut scenes seem to have a different volume level than gameplay. Also the soundtrack seems way too loud vs dialog.

I remember this was the first thing I noticed when I bought the game. I remember saying multiple times over the headset while in chat "why the fuck is this music so goddamn loud?"

 

[mcrommert]

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point, but every time this is said I will refute it. This is a myth and something further perpetuated by those at 343i/Microsoft.

The code is the code is the code. Everyone has the same code. Code is not supernatural, the code is governed by a very explicit set of rules that are the same across everyone who runs it. Everyone is capable of experiencing every bug that has been reported and documented in various lists. The game's problems are not related to differences across individual's home networks, and they're not the result of faulty hardware.

Those making claims that the game "has no issues" are simply choosing to ignore the problems or telling flat-out lies.

Be careful with comments like these, those can get you in trouble.

There have been enough people who own this game that have said they've had little to no issues. I am no one of them (well, I was until one of the December patches), but I'm not going to stand here and call an entire group of people liars.

Its mainly about use cases. If you play by yourself there are less problems. You can get by noticing little. If you party up it gets exponentially worse.

 

[akidnamededdy]

That's a pretty narrow minded way to view it. There are a lot of things that can affect one persons experience compared to another person's experience despite them using the exact same code.

On a closed platform like the XBOne though? Ehhhh....

 

[xxracerxx]

Why is this in this thread?

Take that up with Wizman.

 

[pj]

I know I am beating a dead horse at this point, but every time this is said I will refute it. This is a myth and something further perpetuated by those at 343i/Microsoft.

The code is the code is the code. Everyone has the same code. Code is not supernatural, the code is governed by a very explicit set of rules that are the same across everyone who runs it. Everyone is capable of experiencing every bug that has been reported and documented in various lists. The game's problems are not related to differences across individual's home networks, and they're not the result of faulty hardware.

Those making claims that the game "has no issues" are simply choosing to ignore the problems or telling flat-out lies.

The code is the code but the variables number in the hundreds if not thousands. When you play, where you are in relation to the servers, the order you do things, the timing of when you press buttons, how your network is configured, etc, etc, etc. It's absolutely conceivable that some people are having few to no problems. Just like it is conceivable that multiplayer flat out doesn't work for others.

 

[curiouscharles]

Its mainly about use cases. If you play by yourself there are less problems. You can get by noticing little. If you party up it gets exponentially worse.

yeah, i don't party up with people, and i've experienced essentially no issues since i started playing this again this month.

 

[mcrommert]

yeah, i don't party up with people, and i've experienced essentially no issues since i started playing this again this month.

This is the major point

 

[Gestault]

This is the major point

They were agreeing with you with a personal observation. I think it was more in response to Foolishfellow asserting that anyone playing the game and not reporting that it's broken were lying or weren't capable of discerning problems in the first place.

 

[mcrommert]

They were agreeing with you with a personal observation. I think it was more in response to Foolishfellow asserting that anyone playing the game and not reporting that it's broken were lying or weren't capable of discerning problems in the first place.

I realize he was agreeing with me Networks being the way they are its hard to tell what others are experiencing

Hopefully with the upcoming update we call all stop talking about this and start playing halo mcc

 

[Foolishfellow]

Listen, for basically the last three weeks, I've been able to play the multiplayer component without serious issue. This is a change from closer to release, when the game was effectively unplayable. You can say you've had issues, but the second you make assertion about experiences or motivations you have no capacity to have observed, you're stepping over the line away from being reasonable.

You're misinterpreting my comments. I'm not interested in arguing with you about this, as I have repeatedly stated everyone has the right to enjoy any game. The consumption of media is a fundamentally subjective experience. Lets not waste our time discussing this.

The problem is that 343i/Bungie/Stinkles has repeatedly fallen back on the "game works for some" argument. In this case, we are talking about objective things i.e. documented bugs and missing features.

They are essentially falling back on anecdotal subjective user experiences, when they should be in the interest admitting and fixing objective issues that lie in the game's code/design. Every time Stinkles post's in a NeoGaf thread, I'm not interested in his rephrasing of how some users are able to find joy in the product his company produced. Likewise, in 343i's content updates there is also no need to remind me that the game "works" (see: is apparently fun) for some.

The phrase "this game works" is poor/misleading phrasing that actually means "I'm enjoying the game." The vast majority of people in MCC NeoGAF threads are discussing missing features/bugs. This is certainly a more objective, repeatable, documented matter.

If you come into one of these threads exclaiming "this game works!" at the very least you should qualify what that actually means, because otherwise you're just derailing the thread or unintentionally/intentionally misleading people.

Quite honestly it would be nice to have a subjective conversation about MCC, but in my opinion I can't even begin to have that discussion considering the vast amount of technical issues that plague this title.

 

[FStop7]

The same Xbox Brand that blew the competitor out of the water sales wise over the holidays?

The fact that THIS is your concern, not that a completely broken ass product was shipped and bought by millions of people, is sad.


I want to buy MCC in the _worst way_ for the campaigns. I mean I've had it in my hands or in my online carts multiple times, but I always put it back. I am not going to reward Microsoft for shipping such a broken mess and then failing to fix it. If they fix it, I'll buy it.

 

[RowdyReverb]

The game is never going to be properly fixed, certainly not to the standard that it should have shipped at. Even if matchmaking starts working, the scale of the issues is just so incredibly large that even with an incredibly motivated and competent team there's no way it'll ever happen. We're talking hundreds and hundreds of bugs - the bug tracker for Halo CE multiplayer has over a hundred issues logged on its own.

Even if the game were magically fixed today, the community is dead. Even that were magically fixed and millions of people came back to the game tomorrow, it would only last for a little over half a year until Halo 5 drops.

We all got screwed, and none of us are ever going to the opportunity to re-experience the glory days of Halo like we were promised.

The average age of the games in this collection is roughly 8 years. I think if people were still interested in playing these old games at launch, they'll be interested in playing them a few months or even years afterward.
At this point, I just want MCC for posterity more than anything so I can go back and play these titles whenever I'm feeling nostalgic, so as long as it's eventually fixed, I'm fine. MCC was never going to be this new, hot online multiplayer game that would allow us to relive the glory days, because those passed years ago, not months ago. I don't see how this is a missed opportunity in that regard.

Spoiler

Perhaps it was a missed opportunity for 343 to prove themselves, but that's another story.

 

[Kibbles]

We still getting the patch this month?

 

[Ace 8095]

We still getting the patch this month?

This month only has three days left so probably not.

 

[Nialrot]

This month only has three days left so probably not.

Hopefully the Bulletin (today?) will spell out a finalized deadline along with the full patch notes.

 

[Foolishfellow]

The code is the code but the variables number in the hundreds if not thousands. When you play, where you are in relation to the servers, the order you do things, the timing of when you press buttons, how your network is configured, etc, etc, etc. It's absolutely conceivable that some people are having few to no problems. Just like it is conceivable that multiplayer flat out doesn't work for others.

I agree with this. That being said, I still think that the vast majority of issues that plague this title are not related to network configurations or server distance.

I'll also say that the odds of not encountering any of the numerous "high priority" issues seems extremely unlikely if not impossible.

 

[TRI Mike]

It's been working great for me for a long while...

 

[Gestault]

You're misinterpreting my comments. I'm not interested in arguing with you about this, as I have repeatedly stated everyone has the right to enjoy any game. The consumption of media is a fundamentally subjective experience. Lets not waste our time discussing this.

The problem is that 343i/Bungie/Stinkles has repeatedly fallen back on the "game works for some" argument. In this case, we are talking about objective things i.e. documented bugs and missing features.

They are essentially falling back on anecdotal subjective user experiences, when they should be in the interest admitting and fixing objective issues that lie in the game's code/design. Every time Stinkles post's in a NeoGaf thread, I'm not interested in his rephrasing of how some users are able to find joy in the product his company produced. Likewise, in 343i's content updates there is also no need to remind me that the game "works" (see: is apparently fun) for some.

The phrase "this game works" is poor/misleading phrasing that actually means "I'm enjoying the game." The vast majority of people in MCC NeoGAF threads are discussing missing features/bugs. This is certainly a more objective, repeatable, documented matter.

If you come into one of these threads exclaiming "this game works!" at the very least you should qualify what that actually means, because otherwise you're just derailing the thread or unintentionally/intentionally misleading people.

Quite honestly it would be nice to have a subjective conversation about MCC, but in my opinion I can't even begin to have that discussion considering the vast amount of technical issues that plague this title.

You suggested that those not experiencing the problems were either insincere or incapable of identifying problems in the first place. Several people pointed out that because of different use-cases, that simply wasn't true.

 

[dwells]

strong feelings here. very strong feelings im reading here.

I wonder if any of the people trashing the MCC still own it so they can trash it some more whenever they feel down/sad/angry?

I seen previous posts of people refunding it and never see them again. I applaud them. Just odd that other people are in a situation that seems unfavorable, but do nothing to solve it for themselves.

I find this more reflective of them instead of the state of the MCC right now. I still own it, and will most likely play it again after the next CU. Why? Because i love a video game named Halo. Not because of 343i statements or whatever. I give two shits and a fiddle about what their excuse is. It is something we really have NO FACTUAL IDEA about, and will never know! Get over it. Move on. Trade it in. Get a refund. Play another FPS. Walk outside a little longer.

I Can't wait for Halo 5. Played marvelously during the beta. Had more fun than any other beta i've played recently.

Is this post seriously for real?

How about you quit blaming the people who got screwed by the borderline fraudulent behavior of a dishonest and incompetent company and shift that blame back over to the people that released a broken disaster of a product and made hundreds of millions of dollars off it?

Those of us who bought the game at retail had pretty much no options when we broke the seal on the game. I can't think of a single retailer that takes back opened video games, and my attempt to get the retailer I purchased from to provide a refund was declined. 343 has constantly since day one been telling us just to hold on and to wait for the next patch, for over a hundred days we've been strung along and told that it'll be fixed "soon."

Some people, including myself, bought our Xbox Ones for this game. We want the game we made a $400+ purchase for to work properly, and we want the people involved to be accountable.

 

[Mr. Enigma]

strong feelings here. very strong feelings im reading here.

I wonder if any of the people trashing the MCC still own it so they can trash it some more whenever they feel down/sad/angry?

I seen previous posts of people refunding it and never see them again. I applaud them. Just odd that other people are in a situation that seems unfavorable, but do nothing to solve it for themselves.

I find this more reflective of them instead of the state of the MCC right now. I still own it, and will most likely play it again after the next CU. Why? Because i love a video game named Halo. Not because of 343i statements or whatever. I give two shits and a fiddle about what their excuse is. It is something we really have NO FACTUAL IDEA about, and will never know! Get over it. Move on. Trade it in. Get a refund. Play another FPS. Walk outside a little longer.

I Can't wait for Halo 5. Played marvelously during the beta. Had more fun than any other beta i've played recently.

Ah yes, so it's OUR fault, not 343's fault. Got it.

 

[Andrew Ryan]

They better fix every issue if they're taking this long

 

[maneil99]

The same Xbox Brand that blew the competitor out of the water sales wise over the holidays?

In the US only.. and is now being dominated again.

 

[E92 M3]

I still find it funny that there is a Phantom flying backwards in CGI lol.

 

[Foolishfellow]

You suggested that those not experiencing the problems were either insincere or incapable of identifying problems in the first place. Several people pointed out that because of different use-cases, that simply wasn't true.

The onus should be on the users who are claiming that the game "works" to explain themselves. At the very least when they enter threads like these they should explain what playlists (if any) they play, whether they enter matchmaking solo, and whether they played the original games and are aware of the netcode issues in MCC.

More often than not people enter threads like these, make the 1 sentence post "the game has been working for me" without any additional information. Without any explanation of what the user has been playing in MCC, posts like "it works for me" are at best useless and at worst misleading.

 

[railGUN]

strong feelings here. very strong feelings im reading here.

I wonder if any of the people trashing the MCC still own it so they can trash it some more whenever they feel down/sad/angry?

I seen previous posts of people refunding it and never see them again. I applaud them. Just odd that other people are in a situation that seems unfavorable, but do nothing to solve it for themselves.

I find this more reflective of them instead of the state of the MCC right now. I still own it, and will most likely play it again after the next CU. Why? Because i love a video game named Halo. Not because of 343i statements or whatever. I give two shits and a fiddle about what their excuse is. It is something we really have NO FACTUAL IDEA about, and will never know! Get over it. Move on. Trade it in. Get a refund. Play another FPS. Walk outside a little longer.

I Can't wait for Halo 5. Played marvelously during the beta. Had more fun than any other beta i've played recently.

You haven't even hit Member status yet and you're telling people to move on, get over it and go for a walk? :lol

Fuck off.

 

[TemplaerDude]

strong feelings here. very strong feelings im reading here.

I wonder if any of the people trashing the MCC still own it so they can trash it some more whenever they feel down/sad/angry?

I seen previous posts of people refunding it and never see them again. I applaud them. Just odd that other people are in a situation that seems unfavorable, but do nothing to solve it for themselves.

I find this more reflective of them instead of the state of the MCC right now. I still own it, and will most likely play it again after the next CU. Why? Because i love a video game named Halo. Not because of 343i statements or whatever. I give two shits and a fiddle about what their excuse is. It is something we really have NO FACTUAL IDEA about, and will never know! Get over it. Move on. Trade it in. Get a refund. Play another FPS. Walk outside a little longer.

I Can't wait for Halo 5. Played marvelously during the beta. Had more fun than any other beta i've played recently.

Ha ha ha man this is some apologist bullshit. You can't feel good posting this, can you?

 

[Toa TAK]

Can they patch the achievements back to supporting private match wins?

This would be nice, along with doing away with certain skulls disabling achievements (as this wasn't a problem in Halo CEA).

 

[PROh1bited]

strong feelings here. very strong feelings im reading here.

I wonder if any of the people trashing the MCC still own it so they can trash it some more whenever they feel down/sad/angry?

I seen previous posts of people refunding it and never see them again. I applaud them. Just odd that other people are in a situation that seems unfavorable, but do nothing to solve it for themselves.

I find this more reflective of them instead of the state of the MCC right now. I still own it, and will most likely play it again after the next CU. Why? Because i love a video game named Halo. Not because of 343i statements or whatever. I give two shits and a fiddle about what their excuse is. It is something we really have NO FACTUAL IDEA about, and will never know! Get over it. Move on. Trade it in. Get a refund. Play another FPS. Walk outside a little longer.

I Can't wait for Halo 5. Played marvelously during the beta. Had more fun than any other beta i've played recently.

Lol, what? People have every right to complain about a broken game they payed for that hasn't worked for over 3 months. What am I supposed to do to solve it? I've already tried getting my digital copy refunded 3 times, and they said they couldn't. So I'm stuck with a broken game, and who knows if it'll ever work properly. The only thing I can do as a consumer, is to never give 3V4 another dime.

 

[kingwingin]

The games been working for me the last 2 days. I haven't touched it since december or whenever they removed most play lists.

I've played halo4 halo3 halo2a and have had no connection issues. I play solo.

Back in december I played solo aswell and I couldn't find a game to save my life and if I did manage to join one i couldn't move anywhere and would walk 10 feet and snap back until I lagged out.

I'm mostly excited for the single player patch fixes like frame rate and audio

 

[Brannon]

Calling it now, 343 will release the patch on February 31th, and it will be glorious.

 

[The Lamonster]

I just can't buy it at all. I was a Halo nut. With all the bull shit we put up with, with this release and the franchise changing slightly from its roots(I actually dug H4) it should help me keep H5 out of my sights. I just like to come into the MCC threads and vent a bit, I think I earned that right.

You sound like me. It's sad to be pushed out of a franchise's fandom by the developer, but MCC is just plain insulting and being a Halo fan in 2015 just ain't what it used to be.

I play Destiny to get my kicks now.

 

[Gestault]

Calling it now, 343 will release the patch on February 31th, and it will be glorious.

I...won't hold my breath, lol

 

[The Lamonster]

I still find it funny that there is a Phantom flying backwards in CGI lol.

oh wow. just watched the video and that is hilarious.