American police killed more people in March than the UK has since 1900

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Pops Maellard said:
The U.S population is 5 times that of the U.K. If we're going to play the whole "they have less people so it's not a fair comparison" card, then it stands to reason that to reasonably compare the two countries, all we have to do is multiply the total number of police killings in the U.K (68), by five. This gives us a total of 340.

The U.S has had far more police killings than that in the past few years alone.
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It's not reasonable to simply multiply by 5. The cultures and laws are not the same.

Get the guns out of peoples' hands, then you can make that comparison.
 
While I'm the last person to defend senseless police killings, I do feel that this is a bit misleading. A police officer is probably far more likely to be attacked/killed in the U.S. than in the U.K. I think it's more of a reflection of our violent society than any statement about police killings/brutality.
 
hipbabboom said:
Okay OP, I'll give you that but can you say the UK enjoys the kind of "freedoms" we do? I rest my case.
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My favorite Amendment: The right of the people to get a cap in they ass shall not be infringed.

peterb0y said:
Sure- but there are a ton of other factors to consider that make this a bad comparison. The access to guns for one. I think its more than a bad cop/good cop issue- its more a wholesale look at America's problems with guns, police militarization, and violent crime.
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The whole point of making the comparison is to consider all of these factors.
 
kirblar said:
It's not reasonable to simply multiply by 5. The cultures and laws are not the same.

Get the guns out of peoples' hands, then you can make that comparison.
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I recognize that there is far more at play, and just comparing population size is meaningless. My point is that it nullifies the original argument as well. Which country has more people has no relevance to this discussion.
 
Brakke said:
The whole point of making the comparison is to consider all of these factors.
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I agree- I'm just responding to these who are singling out cops as the sole issue, and I'm not one to go out and wholesale defend the police or their increased militarization.
 
Why are people making excuses? It's not a difference of population problem, it is a culture and access problem. We create our own shit.
 
OrbitalMatrix said:
The fuck is this? Define 'freedoms'. The right to posses a gun?
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freedom to get beat down by cops without due process

Guns is THE biggest factor of violence in the US when compared to other Western Nation.
Poverty, Inequality, no access to public health care that keeps the poor as poor is worse when compared to other Western nations

If the level playing field for the poor, the working class was even out with access to affordable college education and public healthcare, that would be a big help.

The next big help would be to reign in on the insanity of gun culture and the 2nd amendment
 
Pops Maellard said:
The U.S population is 5 times that of the U.K. If we're going to play the whole "they have less people so it's not a fair comparison" card, then it stands to reason that to reasonably compare the two countries, all we have to do is multiply the total number of police killings in the U.K (68), by five. This gives us a total of 340.

The U.S has had far more police killings than that in the past few years alone.
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Oh come on, that's not how statistics work. You can't just multiply everything by 5. That's a pretty gross oversimplification.

And to answer the OP, this will always be a problem in the U.S. so long as there are no consequences for the cops who go too far.
 
I dunno, getting a paid vacation is a consequence for those who prefer to work than to take time off.

Nabbis said:
Make it into an actual degree with strict selection instead of a glorified bootcamp.
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But if we only let smart people become cops, they might start questioning why they're disproportionately targeting minorities and might start targeting the majority at the same rate. Then the entire system might crash which gives rise to the New Founding Fathers and establishing the purge! Then that falls and gives way to the Judges.

DO YOU WANT THAT?!?!?!
 
Kabouter said:
Geographic size definitely seems like a highly relevant factor here.
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Don't discount it so easily. Allow me to demonstrate :

The UK. You walk outside and see your neighbour George across the street. Hi George!

Texas. You walk outside and see a blurry figure in the distance. Unable to identify it as friend or foe, you grab your rifle and shoot it to be safe. Damn, it was your neighbour George. You fall to your knees and curse the open plains and the limitations of human sight.

See? "America is big and has a relatively low population density" is always a valid excuse!
 
MormaPope said:
Honestly a more apt comparison would be the US versus Russia or China.

Countries in South America probably have the highest death tolls out there.
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For supposedly the best country ever, we sure like to compare ourselves to way worse countries out there.

At least we're not Iran.
At least our people aren't starving like in Africa.
At least our healthcare isn't like Senegal.
 
afternoon delight said:
Those are the facts as compared to our former rulers.

Here's one article discussing it

Police slayings are a hot topic right now but I felt this statistic was a fantastic way of framing the "debate". Whatever your ideas are of HOW we arrived at such a brutal point, what are some possible solutions and thoughts?

I suggest a major focus be placed on non-lethal submission tactics, better training, better funding, and perhaps an introduction of their own "three strikes" policy in terms of "we can't catch you thrice beating the shit out of a suspect just because you're the only person we have to fill the job."

More officers speaking in public against the actions of their clearly diseased peers would also be a HUGE step towards ending the animosity a blue wall of silence gives the rest of us.
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Listed as 89 in Canada since 1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Canada
 
Nivash said:
Don't discount it so easily. Allow me to demonstrate :

The UK. You walk outside and see your neighbour George across the street. Hi George!

Texas. You walk outside and see a blurry figure in the distance. Unable to identify it as friend or foe, you grab your rifle and shoot it to be safe. Damn, it was your neighbour George. You fall to your knees and curse the open plains and the limitations of human sight.

See? "America is big and has a relatively low population density" is always a valid excuse!
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Canada is even bigger and wider and has hostile winters....... but you don't have as many yahoo gun related incidents per capita or cop related incidents with firearms as to the neighbor to the south
 
Isn't the trend typically a correlation between smaller living space and increasing crime rate? Isn't that why cities are typically more dangerous than smaller towns? If people are discussing land area along with population, shouldn't that be another knock against the US, since the UK should be fairing a bit worse based on size alone?
 
American cops do kill too much, but the statistic is misleading in how much of a difference it tries to show. Not only is the UK much lower in population to the US today, but the population in the UK was much lower a century ago than there is today. In fact, there are more people alive today than humans that have ever lived and died.
 
gutter_trash said:
Canada is even bigger and wider and has hostile winters....... but you don't have as many yahoo gun related incidents per capita or cop related incidents with firearms as to the neighbor to the south
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Yes, but it's impolite to shoot a man without saying hello so they can't bring themselves to do it. It's the only reason they're alive, really.

I wasn't serious with my post
 
gutter_trash said:
freedom to get beat down by cops without due process

Guns is THE biggest factor of violence in the US when compared to other Western Nation.
Poverty, Inequality, no access to public health care that keeps the poor as poor is worse when compared to other Western nations

If the level playing field for the poor, the working class was even out with access to affordable college education and public healthcare, that would be a big help.

The next big help would be to reign in on the insanity of gun culture and the 2nd amendment
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This. U.S is a glorified police state at some of its inhabitants have the nerve to question the UK's freedom or lack thereof. Jokes.

I don't really understand why excuses like, 'well the the population in the US is more heavily armed' or 'that just speaks to a more violent society'. That's the whole point, and the problem here. It's not just the police, it's an overarching culture of violence in the country thats spread amongst its populous.
 
commish said:
While I'm the last person to defend senseless police killings, I do feel that this is a bit misleading. A police officer is probably far more likely to be attacked/killed in the U.S. than in the U.K. I think it's more of a reflection of our violent society than any statement about police killings/brutality.
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This is what you get when you let people have practically limitless access to guns, enabled by lobby groups that value the ability to keep unreasonable amounts of arms over the lives of the people those guns kill.

American gun nuts claim that all these guns floating around is not the cause of our problems and that taking the guns away won't change anything. This report demonstrates just how much bullshit those people are spewing.
 
ezrarh said:
For supposedly the best country ever, we sure like to compare ourselves to way worse countries out there.

At least we're not Iran.
At least our people aren't starving like in Africa.
At least our healthcare isn't like Senegal.
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Even if someone does seriously believe this, it's not an argument for anything in itself. It's a toxic mindset, even more so when it's not true in many statistical comparisons. It's curious that people have this "good enough" bar when it comes to their country, while they are busy working their ass off for one more one dollar bill.
 
Pops Maellard said:
The U.S population is 5 times that of the U.K. If we're going to play the whole "they have less people so it's not a fair comparison" card, then it stands to reason that to reasonably compare the two countries, all we have to do is multiply the total number of police killings in the U.K (68), by five. This gives us a total of 340.

The U.S has had far more police killings than that in the past few years alone.
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Actually, they're almost there this year.

Also, how dangerous is it really to be a cop in the US? Heart attacks are a bigger killer as violence.
 
US cops are trained to deal with he public by murdering first and claiming self defense later. That's why the vast majority are scum and I couldn't give two shits about the problems they complain about because they brought the problems upon themselves.
 
Nabbis said:
Even if someone does seriously believe this, it's not an argument for anything in itself. It's a toxic mindset, even more so when it's not true in many statistical comparisons. It's curious that people have this "good enough" bar when it comes to their country, while they are busy working their ass off for one more dollar bill.
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Oh an absolute shitload of Americans believe it.
 
Two Words said:
American cops do kill too much, but the statistic is misleading in how much of a difference it tries to show. Not only is the UK much lower in population to the US today, but the population in the UK was much lower a century ago than there is today. In fact, there are more people alive today than humans that have ever lived and died.
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US police still kill several times more civilians per day then UK police does per year.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Well maybe because in America people are more likely to make sudden movements because of the lead in paint? Mental health? Rap music? Obama? Mental health brought on by Obama getting into office because of rap music?
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The solution is to give people more guns as well.

Two Words said:
American cops do kill too much, but the statistic is misleading in how much of a difference it tries to show. Not only is the UK much lower in population to the US today, but the population in the UK was much lower a century ago than there is today. In fact, there are more people alive today than humans that have ever lived and died.
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There are very simple ways to account for the population gap. It's not even complicated, and even when accounted for the situation barely changes in how atrocious it is. The US is simply dwarfing other countries in this problem, even when factoring in population differences. And of course the solution always seems to be on doubling down on the problem, like the sickening militarization of our modern police forces.
 
SliceSabre said:
US cops are trained to deal with he public by murdering first and claiming self defense later. That's why the vast majority are scum and I couldn't give two shits about the problems they complain about because they brought the problems upon themselves.
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Then retiring early with a full a pension.
 
I think the title is misleading. I mean, shouldn't it be "More people let themselves get killed by police in America than the UK since 1900"

I think that's a bit more accurate. People are acting like cops are going around killing people all willy nilly.

Amir0x said:
The solution is to give people more guns as well.
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It's the only thing that makes sense IMO.
 
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