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[Amir0x]

I think the title is misleading. I mean, shouldn't it be "More people let themselves get killed by police in America than the UK since 1900"

I think that's a bit more accurate. People are acting like cops are going around killing people all willy nilly.

Indubitably. You are quite the intelligence Angelus!

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I've been laughing so hard at your biting sarcasms in threads like these the past few weeks. I've seen you everywhere with this, it's killing me lol

It's the only thing that makes sense IMO.

Mandatory child gun training as well, just to be sure.

According to Wikipedia statistcs there were 127 officer deaths in 2014, 114 in 2013 and 120 in 2012.

The corresponding numbers were none in the UK in 2014, one in 2013 (run over) and one in 2012 (shot).

But answer this: Do Americans still got their guns? Yeah? Then fuck yeah :cryingeagle.gif:, :americanthebraveandbeautiful.gif:, :Obamakenyantribesman.gif:

We'll deal with this shit with MORE guns and you'll damn well appreciate it

 

[Amir0x]

*dp*

 

[Antagon]

According to Wikipedia statistcs there were 127 officer deaths in 2014, 114 in 2013 and 120 in 2012.

The corresponding numbers were none in the UK in 2014, one in 2013 (run over) and one in 2012 (shot).

Different numbers. The US police officers include heart attacks, automobile accidents and more. There have been 32 deaths in 2015, but the far majority of those were from accidents and heart attacks. A quick count shows that 7 of those were from violence. Obviously still far more then the uk, but it still seems very disproportionate.

 

[OctoMan]

Lol at the op using scare tactics "facts". First he uses a wikipedia page as a source that literally says "THIS PAGE IS INCOMPLETE" right at the top. That same page has data that goes back to the late 70s. The think progress link just tops it off.


I'm sure the situation isn't great but the op is a total joke.

 

[Regurgitated]

The UK is smaller than Texas.

Pick a country. Any developed country. Hell, pick all of western Europe and I bet it wouldn't come close to the numbers of American police kills.

 

[agiantenemycrab]

Given the proliferation of firearms in the United States, I would imagine that a US police officer is sensible to assume that anyone they interact with may be armed with a firearm and therefore, dangerous. In the UK gun ownership is considerably lower, so most UK police officers can safely assume that they will not need to draw their weapon in the vast majority of incidents.

I am not a police officer, nor do I know any, so I am just speculating as to the cause of the disparity. However, from my perspective as an outsider, the culture and politics towards firearms in the United States is troubling.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Indubitably. You are quite the intelligence Angelus!

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I've been laughing so hard at your biting sarcasms in threads like these the past few weeks. I've seen you everywhere with this, it's killing me lol

GAF gives me plenty of material to work with, this is a community effort!

Mandatory child gun training as well, just to be sure.

I think that's a wise thing, you never know when someone will try to shoot up a preschool school because at his school some girl rejected him...but joke's on him, when he tries to shoot up that preschool he'll be greeted by little Rebecca pulling out her Hello Kitty edition AR15, and two MLP edition 1911s and killing the would be school shooter. She would be a hero to many! Book deals, a movie directed by some big name Hollywood director with a patriotic title (Gotta have "American" in the title somewhere!).

Her classmates can use these bulletproof sleeping mats and hide like the cowards they are while Rebecca is out there protecting their freedoms and god given rights to bear arms. You people will be happy that she had the proper training since the nearest cop will be 150mi away stuffing his face eating donuts, and the real cops are too busy being on edge dealing with poor people who might have the weeds.

 

[Barzul]

GAF gives me plenty of material to work with, this is a community effort!


I think that's a wise thing, you never know when someone will try to shoot up a preschool school because at his school some girl rejected him...but joke's on him, when he tries to shoot up that preschool he'll be greeted by little Rebecca pulling out her Hello Kitty edition AR15, and two MLP edition 1911s and killing the would be school shooter. She would be a hero to many! Book deals, a movie directed by some big name Hollywood director with a patriotic title (Gotta have "American" in the title somewhere!).

Her classmates can use these bulletproof sleeping mats and hide like the cowards they are while Rebecca is out there protecting their freedoms and god given rights to bear arms. You people will be happy that she had the proper training since the nearest cop will be 150mi away stuffing his face eating donuts, and the real cops are too busy being on edge dealing with poor people who might have the weeds.

lol

 

[AstroNut325]

LOL at all the excuses in this thread. The US has a major problem in terms of firearms, and police culture due to said problem of firearms. This, healthcare, and the anti-science agenda of many Americans is what disgusts me the most.

 

[Any Questions]

The UK is smaller than Texas.

Police to population ratio is needed my good man. Size of population should not matter. Guns dont help especially when anybody can pick one up second hand at the drop of a hat.

 

[Angelus Errare]

LOL at all the excuses in this thread. The US has a major problem in terms of firearms, and police culture due to said problem of firearms. This, healthcare, and the anti-science agendy of many Americans is what disgusts me the most.

You say "anti-science" but I'm pretty sure the big man upstairs knows a wee bit more about the planet and everything on it than some old fogies in labcoats.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the rest of the world is wrong and America is right? The tides come in and go out, you can't explain that!

 

[bengraven]

At this point I'm just going to give up and become a conservative and pretend that I'm not racist and that white Christian people get a bad rap and the cops are just doing what they are trained to do and are heroes and are racist because racial profiling is perfectly okay and if they don't kill a few people while on beat they're not meeting their quota.

115 years... So that includes the entirety of The Troubles? Irish cops being murdered and everything and all those bombings? They were basically at war and still killed fewer people over that entire time than we did in a month?

That's Ireland. Maybe it doesn't count. Or if it does, I still wouldn't be shocked.

 

[gutter_trash]

Yes, but it's impolite to shoot a man without saying hello so they can't bring themselves to do it. It's the only reason they're alive, really.

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I wasn't serious with my post

I know lol... but I do have an adgenda agaisnt Gun show loopholes, the 2nd ammendment, gun manufacturers, and against the sale of guns to other countries.

If US made guns didn't crossover to Mexico, then Mexico wouldn't have that many made in USA guns

 

[Nivash]

Actually, let's play a little game of statistics with the officer deaths and killings.

The UK had 2 officer deaths in the last three years. That's 1 per 16 million inhabitants. They had 2 killings. That gives a 1:1 ratio of killings to deaths or 1 per 16 million inhabitants for each in three years.

The US had 361 officer deaths in the last three years. That's 1 death per 880,000 inhabitants. Number of police killings? Unknown. There is no complete statistic. Shootings voluntarily reported to the FBI for 2013 was 458. Extrapolating a bit gives you 1374 in three years, or one per 232 000 inhabitants, for a ratio of 3,8:1 killings to deaths. And those are the inaccurately low numbers!

So using even those low numbers, US officers have an almost 4 times higher K/D ratio and are 18 times more likely to be killed in the line of duty compared to their UK counterparts. US inhabitants, meanwhile, are 69 times more likely to be killed by their officers. And I do stress that these are inaccurately low numbers and that some sources claim that police killings in the US might exceed 1000 a year.

Aren't numbers fun?

 

[Mutley]

Every time I read a story like this regarding America (and boy have I read quite a few stories dealing with this issue.) This theme song ALWAYS plays in the background of my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54

 

[Lego Boss]

Irrespective of the disjuncture in stats, the US record on deaths by cops is inexcusable.

However, with all the guns in the US, it's no wonder they're on the hair trigger, it must be like the wild West: who shoots first lives.

The old chestnut, 'guns don't kill, people kill people', just doesn't wash anymore, it's time for enforcement and fuck the right to bear arms, it's ruining too many people's lives.

 

[M0nochromatic]

You say "anti-science" but I'm pretty sure the big man upstairs knows a wee bit more about the planet and everything on it than some old fogies in labcoats.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the rest of the world is wrong and America is right? The tides come in and go out, you can't explain that!

We could use a bit more patriotism like that! Too many of the godless communists in this beautiful country don't appreciate our God given freedoms.

 

[CadetMahoney]

For supposedly the best country ever, we sure like to compare ourselves to way worse countries out there.

At least we're not Iran.
At least our people aren't starving like in Africa.
At least our healthcare isn't like Senegal.

pretty much.

 

[Amir0x]

GAF gives me plenty of material to work with, this is a community effort!

Yeah there's a segment in this community that is just so tragically disconnected from reality on these subjects that it's almost pathetic if it wasn't so damaging to the policies this country is setting.

I think that's a wise thing, you never know when someone will try to shoot up a preschool school because at his school some girl rejected him...but joke's on him, when he tries to shoot up that preschool he'll be greeted by little Rebecca pulling out her Hello Kitty edition AR15, and two MLP edition 1911s and killing the would be school shooter. She would be a hero to many! Book deals, a movie directed by some big name Hollywood director with a patriotic title (Gotta have "American" in the title somewhere!).

Her classmates can use these bulletproof sleeping mats and hide like the cowards they are while Rebecca is out there protecting their freedoms and god given rights to bear arms. You people will be happy that she had the proper training since the nearest cop will be 150mi away stuffing his face eating donuts, and the real cops are too busy being on edge dealing with poor people who might have the weeds.

MLP edition 1911s... bulletproof sleeping maps lmfao. You're spitting straight flame lately Angelus, keep on keepin' on lol

 

[Rubbish King]

5 x the people 1380 x the killings. Makes sense.

Literally every prick who has the audacity to say *they're not even REMOTELY COMPARABLE"

Please see this post and tattoo it to your dumb foreheads in shame.

 

[Nivash]

Different numbers. The US police officers include heart attacks, automobile accidents and more. There have been 32 deaths in 2015, but the far majority of those were from accidents and heart attacks. A quick count shows that 7 of those were from violence. Obviously still far more then the uk, but it still seems very disproportionate.

Wait what? Why? That's incredible misleading. And I had so much fun comparing the numbers to the UK too in both that and my later post...

... and why do I get the impression that the officer deaths are intentionally inflated while the police shootings are intentionally obscured?

 

[Resident_UA]

People who try to say that the comparison is unfair because of population are just crazy. How 64 million vs 300 million as big of a gap as 0.083 of a year vs 115 years.

This statistic is shocking to say the least...

 

[mclem]

I don't think that really excuses the 115 year head start the UK had.

That might still offer some confusion of scale. Best consider it a 1371-month head start

 

[Jeff Albertson]

As an outsider I don't know what's scarier the gun culture or the cops.

I'm pretty sure the gun culture is the underlying issue though so I'll go with that.

 

[Philly40]

The wikilist of UK police killings will is irrelevant here - it's simply a list of famous cases.

In fact, there are more people alive today than humans that have ever lived and died.

Pretty sure that's been debunked, it's more like 10:1 dead to alive.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Doesn't America also have way more people and police though?

There more police officers in the USA today than the population of Scotland...

..scary stuff.

 

[radioactivez0r]

Have any small municipalities (not one with high crime rate, let's say) tried to experiment with removing guns from their law enforcement and focused on non-lethal methods and better dialog? I'm not trying to go way out of bounds here, but there's got to be some way of at least examining the potential pros/cons of this approach right?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

In fact, there are more people alive today than humans that have ever lived and died.

Shenanigans

 

[Rug Monkey]

In the UK gun ownership is considerably lower, so most UK police officers can safely assume that they will not need to draw their weapon in the vast majority of incidents.

In the vast majority of incidents our police aren't armed. If they see a weapon or are threatened or shot at they will call in a specialised unit. They try to use a 'Proportional Response'

I can own a gun but this is the law that I need to comply to

 

[CoolOff]

Honestly a more apt comparison would be the US versus Russia or China.

Countries in South America probably have the highest death tolls out there.

You really want your standard of policing to just be "we're better than China and Russia"? For the country that is supposed to lead the way for the free world?

High ambitions, better tone them down.

 

[Caronte]

America also has "the biggest prison population" thing going for it as well.

I wouldn't say that's a bad thing.

Edit: I mean having more people there is obviously a problem, but I think their prisons are at least efficient.

 

[Version 3.0]

Yeah, let's all bicker about the details of the comparison and completely miss the point. I swear, if the thread title was "Meteorite the size of Texas headed straight for Kansas - we're all going to die in a week", the thread would be 90% "well, that's not quite as big as Texas" and "the trajectory shows it's going to hit close to Kansas City, that's technically in Missouri".

Jesus. Yes, we have a gun problem in this country, and a police problem as well. What can we do about it?

 

[zulfate]

That's right, dying by police is an American tradition. If I get shot by one I will die with a smile.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Jesus. Yes, we have a gun problem in this country, and a police problem as well. What can we do about it?

And a prison problem, too.

What can we do about it? I and others are already doing stuff about it. Protesting, trying to keep people informed, etc.

What are most Americans going to do? Absolutely nothing.


There are plenty of people who not only benefit from these problems, but actively encourage it. I suspect over half the population of the US (Most who vote republican, and probably a bunch who don't vote/vote democrat too) are more than fine with the existence of these problems. But not with having to ACKNOWLEDGE their existence.

These problems widely effect a certain population most Americans don't give a shit about. Or say they do, but really don't.

 

[Evolved1]

How have I never seen this... omg. hahaha

 

[agiantenemycrab]

In the vast majority of incidents our police aren't armed. If they see a weapon or are threatened or shot at they will call in a specialised unit. They try to use a 'Proportional Response'

I can own a gun but this is the law that I need to comply to

Ah, I was unaware that police officers in England and Wales do not carry weapons. In Northern Ireland, where I am based, almost all police carry weapons (although admittedly this is for historical reasons quite specific to the location).

That most English police officers carry no weapon at all only serves to make the gulf between the US and UK culture towards police wider and more tragic given the statistics in the OP.

 

[Philly40]

I wouldn't say that's a bad thing.

Edit: I mean having more people there is obviously a problem, but I think their prisons are at least efficient.

What exactly does 'efficient prisons' mean?


Costs per head, profitability, recidivism rates, deterrence, disproportionate racial profile?

U.S. prisons are good at two of these compared to the rest of the the western world, not so great on the others

 

[jamesinclair]

Cops in the UK don't really have to deal with an armed population.

That can't be true.

I was told if you ban guns only criminals will have access to them, leading to mayhem.

 

[Kinyou]

Right, plus the higher chance that criminals will be armed and dangerous in America.

I believe that's a big reason why the police in the US seems to be so fast to shoot compared to other countries.
Gun regulations kind of need to happen to stop this.

 

[Wthermans]

Doesn't America also have way more people and police though?

Yes. I wonder if this is per capita.

You also can't deny the fact that due to the second amendment, law enforcement has a legitimate reason to be armed.


I hate the state of the police force in America but I don't see it getting any better due to multiple circumstances.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Honestly a more apt comparison would be the US versus Russia or China.

Countries in South America probably have the highest death tolls out there.

The idea is to raise the bar, not accept the status quo.

 

[Beartruck]

Doesn't America also have way more people and police though?

Exactly this. Without an equivalent population to compare to, it's quite hard to say exactly how bad this is. Probably still quite bad, although not as much as the headline seems to suggest.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

That can't be true.

I was told if you ban guns only criminals will have access to them, leading to mayhem.

No, if you ban guns, everyone will be Lars Anderson killing criminals with bow and arrows because archery > firearm!

 

[The Cowboy]

I read the title as 1990 and thought that was shocking, then i re-read it and it said 1900 and i nearly spit my Pepsi out - more killed in 115 years is truly stunning.

 

[Zomba13]

The U.S population is 5 times that of the U.K. If we're going to play the whole "they have less people so it's not a fair comparison" card, then it stands to reason that to reasonably compare the two countries, all we have to do is multiply the total number of police killings in the U.K (68), by five. This gives us a total of 340.

The U.S has had far more police killings than that in the past few years alone.

Also, the US killings is in one month (of which there are 12 of in a year) compared to the UK in 115 years (of which there are 1380 months). I think it's kind of a fair comparison giving the huge lead time for the UK.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Doesn't America also have way more people and police though?

ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN US YEARS.

The US is only about 5x the UK population.

 

[Derekloffin]

There is than 2nd amendment protecting the citizens from a tyrannical government in action for you... lol... seriously though, you guys have some SERIOUS issues.

 

[VanWinkle]

You say "anti-science" but I'm pretty sure the big man upstairs knows a wee bit more about the planet and everything on it than some old fogies in labcoats.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the rest of the world is wrong and America is right? The tides come in and go out, you can't explain that!

Are you ever serious? Honest question. I don't believe I've seen a single post from you that isn't cloaked in extremely heavy-handed sarcasm.

 

[djplaeskool]

I believe that's a big reason why the police in the US seems to be so fast to shoot compared to other countries.
Gun regulations kind of need to happen to stop this.

Now you have the problem that regulation in this country is nigh impossible to even try to move towards, so the police have simply gotten bigger guns.

 

[Vagabundo]

Out of curiosity and ignorance, are you talking about the IRA?

There are a lot of groups up their who have access to arms in the north. Several dissident republican groups and some loyalist gangs.

Most of them are just gangsters at this point.