I thought most victims of police were people WITHOUT guns.
American police killed more people in March than the UK has since 1900
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I thought most victims of police were people WITHOUT guns.
no, just self-destructive
The right to bear arms is not a patriotic sign of 'Freedom' not in this day and age
Start by convincing me that there has been less than 100 police killings in the UK since 1900
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It's cool, though, since the cops thought they had guns. Totally justified.
No, leave them out so they can keep stealing, that's much better.
Natureboy99
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This.
timetokill
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I don't think every cop should have a gun on their person on the job. If there's an armed situation then call in the armed police division or something. The militarization of the police has to stop.
Rogue_Ledr
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So what if they've killed that many.
If the shootings were justified, there shouldn't be a problem.
Besides it is not like they are just going along killing anyone they see. Most people killed by police are hardcore criminals. I seriously doubt they are going to missed much.
If the shootings were justified, there shouldn't be a problem.
Besides it is not like they are just going along killing anyone they see. Most people killed by police are hardcore criminals. I seriously doubt they are going to missed much.
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How is it bullshit?
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It either says something about our police forces or the culture of the U.S. Take your pick.
Angelus Errare
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Why bother with hanging them, cops should just play judge, jury, and executioner upon stopping people...oh...
The op is literally using bullshit stats.
afternoon delight
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Interesting choice of words given the topic.
You got anymore numbers you want to make up for us?
I don't know if incompetent is the right word.
Scully Scully Scoo
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bingo. gun law in the states is getting people killed and making police super aggressive
Before you get banned for pointless agressivity, could you at least provide arguments to explain your position so that most people visiting this thread don't think it's just another account suicide?
Testicular Sound Express
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as long as as youre a straight white male
But this compares relatively current date with overall data in the last hundred years through the industrial age leading up to now.
Thats still far more relevant than the year 1066....
I know you were joking but its still not close enough of a comparison for the punchline to have full affect.
I did. It's on page 3. No one bothered to read it. Or I was correct and couldn't be refuted and people would rather rage.
ArkhamFantasy
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Do the police kill more americans than all gangs combined?
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e2: while the methodology isn't perfect here, I don't think it would take more than 3 months to make the comparison the OP is making....
Funnily enough there's articles out there making that exact same comparison...
It would be exceptionally difficult to measure, since each country has different ways of reporting these statistics.
However, we've had a good fight about it in this thread using shonky comparisons.
What about removing police altogether so everyone can do as they please, that's even cheaper.
afternoon delight
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Number of times British cops fired guns in 2013: 3, totaling in zero deaths
# of deaths in police custody across Wales and UK 1990-2012
For some reason, they're able to keep their yearly numbers lower than what America does routinely in days. And to add to some more skewing, U.S. statistics keepers are not required to report 'incidental' deaths in custody, after the fact, or related incidents if there are no charges pressed.
Whatever the case, this amount of violence is strictly American and that's what we're discussing.
The only reason population magnitude or geographical area would be relevant in this discussion is if the timeframes were even remotely similar (Id est: 1 month in the United States of America versus, say, 1 year in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.) However, considering the absurd timespan that is lended to the U.K., I would say it becomes increasingly irrelevant to bring up either of the aforementioned factors.
The armaments of the masses are the sole legitimate reason I see for the railery against this statistic. Even then, it strikes me as an excuse, considering the restraint (or lack thereof) that has been observed in the police force of the U.S.A.
I suppose this result should not come as a shock, but yet it is.
I weep for the innocents who shall continue to die.
The armaments of the masses are the sole legitimate reason I see for the railery against this statistic. Even then, it strikes me as an excuse, considering the restraint (or lack thereof) that has been observed in the police force of the U.S.A.
I suppose this result should not come as a shock, but yet it is.
I weep for the innocents who shall continue to die.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bodyguard-bulletproof-blanket-for-kids-2014-6
So fucking depressing and pathetic that there's a need for these things.
so that wasn't a joke
i live in a world where that was actually literal and not a joke
i need to go ly down
cutmeamango
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UK: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...une-2014.html#tab-Offences-involving-firearms
US: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
These two sheets help.
US: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
These two sheets help.
Eric the Red
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Even though it's not a great comparison, keep in mind that the police also aren't required to keep track of all the people they kill. I'm positive that the numbers we're working with aren't high enough.
It's almost like
a) USA gun culture is beyond fucked up
b) USA police act like maniacs compared to more civilized western country police forces
c) USA social policies and incarceration heavy criminal justice system combined with profitable prisons and War On Drugs produces huge amounts of hardened criminals
d) all of the above
How About No
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Are we counting pre-independent Ireland? I heard that was a bad time
Rug Monkey
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The majority of these aren't going to be counted as police shootings but Army shootings instead. Ditto with the UK and terrorist action i.e. The Iranian Embassy siege in 1980 not police but Army (S.A.S.)
I thought he was being sarcastic.
Yep. In a nutshell.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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DeFiBkIlLeR
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US = Police Force
UK = Police Service
Spot the difference?
Also, the highly restrictive gun laws in the UK are a relatively modern feature of UK society, pre 1950's people in the UK had easy access to guns.
UK = Police Service
Spot the difference?
Also, the highly restrictive gun laws in the UK are a relatively modern feature of UK society, pre 1950's people in the UK had easy access to guns.
The_Hitcher89
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Just a tiny thing, when I went to Heathrow a year ago, I saw my first and only ever real firearm, being carried by armed police. It unsettled the fuck out of me. Genuinely can't fathom the sight of guns being a regular occurrence in the UK.
Generally I feel like we're bought up to appreciate guns as being necessary in many circumstances, and an enjoyable part of fictional entertainment, but still something to be fucking terrified of. Not just something to respect, something to fear and not admire.
Generally I feel like we're bought up to appreciate guns as being necessary in many circumstances, and an enjoyable part of fictional entertainment, but still something to be fucking terrified of. Not just something to respect, something to fear and not admire.
Monty Mole
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It's not a poor comparision. The UK population is 64m, the USA population is 318m, if the rate of police killings was the same then the UK would kill the same amount of people in 5 months as the USA does in 1 month. The UK is averaging one killing a year for the last 4 years, if you scale the UK up to a USA sized nation that would be 16 killings in 4 years, the USA has 111 killings in March.
You people are going on like the UK is the size of the Vatican City or some shit.
Monty Mole
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This.
benjipwns
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Oh yeah, well, once the NYPD in 2012 fired 16 shots, hit three pedestrians directly and six others with fragments.
They did get the single gunman who was like three feet in front of them though.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's like the staff of Hermes vs. the staff of Asclepius in medicine. One is a symbol of commerce and the other is a symbol of healing. Guess which one American doctors use.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Straws, clutching at.
What I find amusing is that many Americans seem to think that people in the UK don't enjoy as much freedom, being denied the opportunity to tool up like a militia.
I can guarantee if the people of the UK were offered a referendum on introducing gun laws, American style, it would be rejected in huge numbers, by at least 80%.
There simply isn't the cultural need or desire to have the 'freedom' to kill your neighbour.
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