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I had 5020fd that I replace for the w900a because I wanted 3d and great low input lag...but now I got OLED and 4k on my mind.
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I had 5020fd that I replace for the w900a because I wanted 3d and great low input lag...but now I got OLED and 4k on my mind.
Yeah, me too. Just waiting for the OLED TVs to get cheaper and have better input lag. Last time I checked, the input lag was horrible on OLED sets. Is it still that bad?
I had both the w7 and w9 calibrated separately. Shoot me a PM and I'll send you the settings for the w7.
A GAFer tested the input lag at best buy and it was like 32ms.
Well my local best buy is doing a revamp scheduled in May for their pad. So my understanding is that the TVs will be available shortly before their revamp, so take that for what it is. The 1080 sets are supposed to ship from Sony middle of this month iirc.
I'm interested in seeing how well the 900/910C do with their lighting. Considering the 900C is thinner than the LG 9300, I have a hard time believing it's edge lighting is going to be good.
Speaking of the LG OLED, glad you guys are enjoying it, it's out of this world. Tests I've seen run for input lag seems to fall in from 27-33ms. Just for the love of who/whatever you worship, do NOT leave up their WebOS bar. Those yellows will burn in and permanently destroy the panel. I wouldn't be concerned about the degree of their curve for the others. It doesn't focus side lighting like the Samsungs which have too much of a curve.
Waiting on the 930/940C to come in. Going to see what their new Triluminous is all about, and how well that new X1 chip handles scaling. It's supposed to do an even better job at it, and supposed to handle 720p really well even.
Darknight34
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This looks great for my wallet... but is this really a good TV? It seems so cheap.Got this Polaroid 4k display for $369
http://www.brandsmartusa.com/Polaro...TFqaPz5VGhmGUyqv3DS93v0JnIufPt4J1l!-910787046
These images are from a cellphone excuse the quality..
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
The 2015 Vizio M series are in and I think we have a bang-for-buck winner for gaming tvs:
They have a wide variety of sizes, 4K resolution, local dimming 18.5 millisecond input lag (perfect for gaming) and best of all, they are reasonably priced!
43" M43-C1 $599
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-_cL5hBzdatf6ZFF51931IA
50" M50-C1 $899
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-d0U4ZFJSgUojXMlcC1X4sg
55" M55-C2 $999
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T63YW38/?tag=neogaf0e-20
60" M60-C3 $1499
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T63YMGK/?tag=neogaf0e-20
65" M65-C1 $1699
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-msGSNa5io2a723_uwwJTRw
70" M70-C3 $2199
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T63YVAM/?tag=neogaf0e-20
80" M80-C3 $3999
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-Cof4dvVn5A1Dg0eLm6wyEg
Again, these tvs have been tested with the Leo Bodnar device to have 18.5ms input lag, which would make them better than all the 2014 Sony's, save the (much more expensive) W950B, which was tested at a similar 17.8ms input lag.
http://www.rtings.com/info/input-lag-tvs
They have a wide variety of sizes, 4K resolution, local dimming 18.5 millisecond input lag (perfect for gaming) and best of all, they are reasonably priced!
43" M43-C1 $599
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-_cL5hBzdatf6ZFF51931IA
50" M50-C1 $899
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-d0U4ZFJSgUojXMlcC1X4sg
55" M55-C2 $999
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T63YW38/?tag=neogaf0e-20
60" M60-C3 $1499
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T63YMGK/?tag=neogaf0e-20
65" M65-C1 $1699
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-msGSNa5io2a723_uwwJTRw
70" M70-C3 $2199
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T63YVAM/?tag=neogaf0e-20
80" M80-C3 $3999
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-m...D=2&siteID=Qn3VZ7ygV30-Cof4dvVn5A1Dg0eLm6wyEg
Again, these tvs have been tested with the Leo Bodnar device to have 18.5ms input lag, which would make them better than all the 2014 Sony's, save the (much more expensive) W950B, which was tested at a similar 17.8ms input lag.
http://www.rtings.com/info/input-lag-tvs
rokkerkory
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Damn those prices are great too.
anexanhume
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I am anxious to see the pricing for their R series this year.
kingofthedead45
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So I just bought a Samsung 46' led Smart tv. Anyone mess with the motion plus setting?(I'm assuming this is in most Samsung smart tvs) setting it to smooth gives it what I think a higher refresh rate (I'm not the most savy when it comes to this) and it looks amazing when there's nothing really happening on screen. But when there's action it seems to be very stuttery specifically for blood borne.
Halps or advice would be grateful.
Halps or advice would be grateful.
Wow, I'm getting the 43" to replace my Samsung with 50ms of lag. Great prices.
Good prices. I paid $999 for my 55" P series on sale, it's a great tv.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1852015
Here's a thread on it. Quasar, Spectrer, Sansui and Polaroid makes the same model.
general_garcia
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Those Vizio sets seem too good to be true!
I notice they only have old-style HDMI inputs though, nothing listed for HDMI 2.0 or Displayport. Does that mean you're essentially limited to 4K at 30hz max?
I'm aware there's not much that can actually power 4K at sensible framerates at the moment (without spending ridiculous money on a top-end SLI setup and whatnot), but just worried those sets would be useless by the time I get around to upgrading my PC next year.
EDIT: scratch that, just found the tech specs on the Vizio site and noticed a single HDMI 2.0 port listed, so all good. Now, how to get one of these in the UK...
I notice they only have old-style HDMI inputs though, nothing listed for HDMI 2.0 or Displayport. Does that mean you're essentially limited to 4K at 30hz max?
I'm aware there's not much that can actually power 4K at sensible framerates at the moment (without spending ridiculous money on a top-end SLI setup and whatnot), but just worried those sets would be useless by the time I get around to upgrading my PC next year.
EDIT: scratch that, just found the tech specs on the Vizio site and noticed a single HDMI 2.0 port listed, so all good. Now, how to get one of these in the UK...
lifeexpectancy
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Why in god's name is everyone using those damn bilateral chicken feet supports now? The round base with a vertical support in the CENTER of the TV is so much better aesthetically. For those that don't want to wallmount these damn chicken feet suck.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Dead as of last year. LG is the only OLED game in town currently and all their 2015 models are 4k AFAIK.
I think Panny was supposed to introduce an OLED TV this year, but I dunno if that ever came (or is coming) to fruition.
Really don't want a 4k TV. Saw my uncles playing SD content and the pixelation was up to 1" squares on a 55" screen. Seems like they don't even bother with scaled technology anymore.
anexanhume
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I'm wondering if OLEDs will be worth it with local dimmed QD LCDs about to come into prominence.
Do not use that for gaming, it interpolates frames. Turn off all motion enhancements, set game mode on, and if the automatic dimming bothers you, let me know and I'll tell you the calibrations to turn it off.
What brand? Sony has great scaling on their XBR range.
Edit: didn't pay attention to the SD part. I haven't tried that.
Are you talking about the Sony KDL-55W900A? Where are you located? I could be interested in buying it off you
Wow that 43 inch shall be mine! Thanks so much!
kingofthedead45
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Yeah I checked out the game mode. And if by auto dimming you mean the fact the back light seems to be at half the brightness yes it totally bugs me. XD if you don't mind pm-ing (or posting the calibrations in this thread is fine as well) that be great. The more I know the better. It's a series 5/6 btw.
Still a bit of a bummer though I really really like the soap opera effect lol.
The soap opera effect is nice for smoothness, but you're actually losing a lot, and i mean a lot of detail when the picture is in motion. A lot is an understatement.
To get rid of the automatic dimming in dark scenes, set the brightness to 53-54, and go to white levels and put the red, green, and blue offsets at 8. They should all be at 25. Leave the red, green, blue gains at 25. This gets me inky blacks on me ES6100 without dimming it, if you got a different model then you should play around with those two settings (rgb offset and brightness), and remember they are negatively correlated, so when one goes up the other must go down.
Septimus Prime
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I've watched SD content on my XBR before. It's bad, but it's not that bad. Maybe his uncle was experiencing signal loss?
BrokenIcarus
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I'm currently in the market for a new tv. I want atleast 60" because we just moved and we have a huge living room now. The only question is 4k or 1080p? I'm mostly gonna play PS2 and ps4 on it so input lag should be at minimum and I really don't care about 3D or smarttvs either. How much more would an upgrade to 4k cost me? It's probably not really worth but I don't want to be upgrading again in 4-5 years.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
LG's OLED's.
I went from a Pioneer plasma to a Panasonic plasma, then to a 55" LG OLED.
The blacks and colours are astonishing.
I keep meaning to post some screenshots, it makes games like dark souls, dead space and alien isolation look stunning.
What's a good site for posting and linking photos on gaf? I will try and add a few tonight.
By changing your RGB gains and offsets like that, you are altering the greyscale of the tv. A proper greyscale is critical to the image quality, so if you are just making blanket statements like change all the offsets to 8 from default 25, then I can practically guarantee you are not getting an accurate image.
You might like the way this looks, which is a completely different story, but unless you've used some sort of instrumentation when making these changes, your picture is not accurate or calibrated at all. If anything, by only suggesting messing with brightness and RGB offsets you are likely achieving these so-called inky blacks by crushing your blacks and losing detail.
Either hire a calibrator to get the most out of your tv, or at the very least pick up a disc like Disney WOW to at least set the basics correctly. Sorry, but the advice you've given is just bad.
Woah there, you are making too many assumptions.
First of all, all that RGB offset does on my model is to proportionally change the red, greens, and blues WITH RESPECT TO brightness. If you lower them each proportionally, you are not distorting anything, you are just lowering the brightness that each color gets. If you then proceed to increase the brightness with the brightness setting, you are in effect supplementing for the lowered brightness previously. So no, this method does not change the accuracy of the picture quality, it only hides the automatic dimming of the blacks because you are tricking the TV into thinking that, given the increased brightness setting, it does not ever need to automatically dim anything.
Second of all, I did calibrate my display with the AVS709 files, and the tints of the colors remain unaltered. So saying that thing about my picture not being accurate just because I might like how it looks, without knowing that I take visual quality seriously, and without even asking me before hand, seems kind of aggressive to be honest. I tried to give advice to a fellow gamer who was also bothered by the automatic dimming, I did not force him/her to do anything.
Another thing you are assuming is that inky blacks is the same as crushed blacks to me. Again, if you had asked me what my meaning of inky blacks was, then you would not have needed to make that assumption. No, my blacks are not crushed. Inky blacks just means the deep blacks are no longer dimmed, so the deepest blacks that a game or movie has is now actually visible.
And again, the last sentence is not necessary. You don't know me, you had no right to assume I was just someone who has no knowledge of this stuff but gave random advice to people about how to get crushed blacks and what not.
You're right, I did make a number of assumptions based on the limited info in your post, so I apologize if that offended you.
But just so I don't make any further assumptions: you state that you calibrated your display with the AVS709 files, but was this with instrumentation (colorimeter or spectrophotometer) or by eye? You simply cannot properly adjust greyscale by eye, so what you perceive as happening on screen may not actually be giving you an accurate image if you're just trying to eyeball it.
Also, every tv is going to behave differently, simply from all the individual tolerances of the components even if they are the exact same model. So something that works on your particular panel might not produce the same results on someone else's tv. Trading settings is something I see everywhere, so I'm not singling you out, but it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
It's great that you value image quality. Things would be much different with the tv market if more people did. But when I see advice to start messing with the greyscale, and someone randomly starts playing with it on their tv based on that, then I feel like I need to say something.
But at least you didn't start off by suggesting they start poking around in the service menu!
Posting pictures won't really help because most of us will be looking at them through lcd screens. I don't need any convincing, though, I'm waiting for a good deal on that 55", then it's so mine.
You're right, I did make a number of assumptions based on the limited info in your post, so I apologize if that offended you.
But just so I don't make any further assumptions: you state that you calibrated your display with the AVS709 files, but was this with instrumentation (colorimeter or spectrophotometer) or by eye? You simply cannot properly adjust greyscale by eye, so what you perceive as happening on screen may not actually be giving you an accurate image if you're just trying to eyeball it.
Also, every tv is going to behave differently, simply from all the individual tolerances of the components even if they are the exact same model. So something that works on your particular panel might not produce the same results on someone else's tv. Trading settings is something I see everywhere, so I'm not singling you out, but it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
It's great that you value image quality. Things would be much different with the tv market if more people did. But when I see advice to start messing with the greyscale, and someone randomly starts playing with it on their tv based on that, then I feel like I need to say something.
But at least you didn't start off by suggesting they start poking around in the service menu!
First, it was done by eye, but you realise I am talking about a $600 TV right? Also, these calibrations match that of TV review sites, which do use instruments. I think someone who spends $600 for a TV is perfectly contempt with a 95% confidence interval.
Second part, this setting does actually behave the same on all Samsung LED 6 Series, and again the setting is one of correlation between brightness and each RGB color. The reason I know is because I got this trick from an AVS forum, and I have used it on different TVs in my house, and friend's houses, with the exact same result, because this only tricks the TV into thinking it is displaying at a higher brightness than it actually is, it doesn't alter colors unless you change them disproportionately.
EYEL1NER
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I was so happy to get a 60" F8500 in December to replace my TVs that lightning storms took out of commission last summer. I haven't been in the country to use it but I enjoyed the bit of time I spent with it in January before I left again. Sad that it had to come to an end though...
There was a big lightning storm two nights ago. My wife told me about it last night and said she unplugged everything like I showed her. She said the cable box didn't seem to work yesterday because the TV showed no picture and said it had no input. I thought it was odd that the cable box would be bad if everything had been isolated from the wall so I started asking questions. Turns out that she only unplugged the surge protector with everything on it from the wall but left the coax running into the cable box, the very thing I made sure to put emphasis on removing before leaving the country. I thought I made it clear that the lightning came in over that coax twice before and fried the HDMI ports on the other TVs so the TV and cable box needed to not be connected to each other. But I guess I wasn't clear enough. So the coax was running into the cable box, which was connected to the TV via HDMI.
I have to assume that the lightning took out the HDMI again. A cable guy is supposed to come out tomorrow and check the box, we'll probably find out that the HDMI inputs on the TV don't work at that time. I mean, it could be fine, but this has happened twice already so I don't have much hope. Really wishing I got renter's insurance after last summer but when I hooked that TV up in December she said she understood that it would need to be powered off and unplugged from everything in the event of a storm since those shitty cable lines that Time Warner ran into the apartment bring that shit right in through the wall. It didn't seem like a problem that would occur again since I was assured that the proper precautions would be taken before any more storms. That's what I deserve I suppose. Pretty sure Samsung's warranty won't cover shit, the extended Costco warranty might but it won't take effect until the Samsung one runs out, and Time Warner won't do a damn thing even though their lines have got to be improperly grounded or something.
So I am having a great day. I've learned my lesson about spending a large amount of money on a top-of-the-line TV that I really want. I told her too how important it would be to take care of the TV since I would never be able to get another one and sure enough the used one on Amazon right now is a more than a grand over the amount I paid for mine and the two new ones are $5000 ea.
Fuck.
There was a big lightning storm two nights ago. My wife told me about it last night and said she unplugged everything like I showed her. She said the cable box didn't seem to work yesterday because the TV showed no picture and said it had no input. I thought it was odd that the cable box would be bad if everything had been isolated from the wall so I started asking questions. Turns out that she only unplugged the surge protector with everything on it from the wall but left the coax running into the cable box, the very thing I made sure to put emphasis on removing before leaving the country. I thought I made it clear that the lightning came in over that coax twice before and fried the HDMI ports on the other TVs so the TV and cable box needed to not be connected to each other. But I guess I wasn't clear enough. So the coax was running into the cable box, which was connected to the TV via HDMI.
I have to assume that the lightning took out the HDMI again. A cable guy is supposed to come out tomorrow and check the box, we'll probably find out that the HDMI inputs on the TV don't work at that time. I mean, it could be fine, but this has happened twice already so I don't have much hope. Really wishing I got renter's insurance after last summer but when I hooked that TV up in December she said she understood that it would need to be powered off and unplugged from everything in the event of a storm since those shitty cable lines that Time Warner ran into the apartment bring that shit right in through the wall. It didn't seem like a problem that would occur again since I was assured that the proper precautions would be taken before any more storms. That's what I deserve I suppose. Pretty sure Samsung's warranty won't cover shit, the extended Costco warranty might but it won't take effect until the Samsung one runs out, and Time Warner won't do a damn thing even though their lines have got to be improperly grounded or something.
So I am having a great day. I've learned my lesson about spending a large amount of money on a top-of-the-line TV that I really want. I told her too how important it would be to take care of the TV since I would never be able to get another one and sure enough the used one on Amazon right now is a more than a grand over the amount I paid for mine and the two new ones are $5000 ea.
Fuck.
whitemex88
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Shit. Sorry dude. Maybe buy a surge protector with the coax on it?
That sucks. Had no idea about that coax cable either. I often pull out the plugs too during lightning but I never thought about that one.. definitely going to keep that as a reminder.
As for TV's, I currently have a Panasonic plasma, and it's pretty difficult picking between LED and OLED. I know LG is the only one still clinging unto OLED but the colors OLED produces really interest me. That price though, I really wanted a 65" screen but that's out of the question with OLED.
Also not sure what the deal is with curved screens. But maybe it will convince me when I'll be giving them a look in person over the weekend. Still not sure if it is something for the moment, or if that's actually going to stay.
As for TV's, I currently have a Panasonic plasma, and it's pretty difficult picking between LED and OLED. I know LG is the only one still clinging unto OLED but the colors OLED produces really interest me. That price though, I really wanted a 65" screen but that's out of the question with OLED.
Also not sure what the deal is with curved screens. But maybe it will convince me when I'll be giving them a look in person over the weekend. Still not sure if it is something for the moment, or if that's actually going to stay.
Rei no Otaku
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I have a Samsung JU7500 arriving on Monday. I was apprehensive about the curved screen, but seeing it in person it was actually pretty nice.
ss_lemonade
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But that's such a nice TV!. I have one too, but it unfortunately has 1 tiny dead pixel that I wish I didn't see
. Do those dead pixel fixers that flash multiple colored pixels actually work or am I just at a risk of damaging something else by running them for extended periods of time?
JudgmentJay
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I've been sporting a 50" 500M Kuro for about 4 years now, and while the picture quality is still amazing, I moved into a new apartment and I'm now sitting about 9 feet away from the screen.
I was waiting for OLED to become a bit more affordable before purchasing a new TV, but now I'm thinking I need something larger... like 60-65". Obviously a 60-65" OLED would be outrageously expensive, so I guess I basically want a hold-me-over. Maybe something in the $1,000-2,000 range. Obviously it's going to be a downgrade in picture quality, but... I think a bigger screen takes priority here.
I know nothing about TVs in this price range, especially non-plasma TVs. Any help, GAF?
I was waiting for OLED to become a bit more affordable before purchasing a new TV, but now I'm thinking I need something larger... like 60-65". Obviously a 60-65" OLED would be outrageously expensive, so I guess I basically want a hold-me-over. Maybe something in the $1,000-2,000 range. Obviously it's going to be a downgrade in picture quality, but... I think a bigger screen takes priority here.
I know nothing about TVs in this price range, especially non-plasma TVs. Any help, GAF?
lifeexpectancy
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You're going to want a full-array local dimming LCD, as it's the only version of LCD that even comes remotely close to plasma for black levels.
I'd suggest taking a look at the Sony models and those new Vizio (yes, vizio surprisingly) ones mentioned above because if you're gaming on it you also want low input lag and those two seem to be the best at the moment input lag-wise. I think LG also makes some decent ones in that price range with good local dimming options, although I think their input lag might be slightly higher than the Sony/Vizio ones, but still within acceptable tolerances.
Keep in mind, a lot of sets that advertised with local dimming aren't necessarily full array. Non-full array local dimming is just software based and almost useless. Sony doesn't have any FALD models on anything but their most expensive models, which are $6K and up. LG hasn't been doing FALD since 2013, and I don't think any of their 2015 sets have it. Samsung only has it on the JS9500 ($6K).
Vizio's really the only one pushing forward with FALD at affordable levels. The P series however has a significantly lower LED zone count compared to some of the more highly rated FALD sets of the past. The R series sets are supposed to have a lot more zones so they should be interesting.
SeeNoWeevil
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If your eyes can tolerate a bit of 60Hz flicker, then a low-latency, strobing (aka Sony) set is by far the best gaming panel you can buy.
I saw the JS9500 yesterday and was really amazed. It looked incredible. But I won't pay 6k for it.
I can wait though. Hopefully its price comes down. I think it will happen. There might be too much competition on the LED front for them to keep it up there. It looks nice but with Panasonic coming out with a 65" for nearly half the rumored price, I don't see how they can stick with that price too long.
I can wait though. Hopefully its price comes down. I think it will happen. There might be too much competition on the LED front for them to keep it up there. It looks nice but with Panasonic coming out with a 65" for nearly half the rumored price, I don't see how they can stick with that price too long.
Motion looks very clean and sharp with strobing, but the loss of brightness may not be worth it for everyone. Even in a dark room, I find Impulse mode too dim.
lifeexpectancy
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Yeah that's unfortunately true, which is why I'm still holding out hope that LG will continue with their OLED sets.
webkatt
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You guys are crazy about TV's!
I need some help. I have a old 40 inch Sanyo with a analog+digital tuner in it. It is a LCD with horrible image burn in. I am thinking of upgrading to a larger set. Possibly a 65 inch.
I don't need anything fancy as I casually play games and watch movies.
What is a good sub $1000 set for me?
I need some help. I have a old 40 inch Sanyo with a analog+digital tuner in it. It is a LCD with horrible image burn in. I am thinking of upgrading to a larger set. Possibly a 65 inch.
I don't need anything fancy as I casually play games and watch movies.
What is a good sub $1000 set for me?
lifeexpectancy
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Your best bet is those vizio sets on the previous page. They sound right up your alley if you're casual about gaming and want a budget TV in that size range.