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[FelipeMGM]

I just noticed the guys said The Witcher 3 would cost 90 dollars.

For god's sake STOP spreading misinformation. It won't cost that much at all, that is ridiculous, a simple search on the biggest retailers will give you the price between R$230 - R$195 which is about US$75 - US$65.

Edit for proof:

EDIT: I went on PSN BR and got the price for a complete edition with season pass instead of regular game. My bad
75 dollars is the right price

 

[Ogawa-san]

Well my friend, in the PSN BRAZILIAN STORE, The Witcher 3 costs R$269 wich is exactly 90 DOLLARS, so DONT SAY is misinformation. Some retailers sell imported games, and so they can sell cheaper because they are big companies and they have their ways of going trough customs.

You're looking at the game + season pass bundle... But you probably know that.

 

[RobRSG]

I was thinking, even if they sell the console with a lot of games installed, won't you be unable to play them the moment you desync the account saved?

So if you want to sign in with you own account, all the games installed will be useless.

I don't think so, because if the pirated account is a master account, there would be no limitations regardless of which account you play on.

But I believe is an easy task to Sony to put the method down since they recently killed the "ghost account" sharing.

 

[Syntsui]

I've paid R$1.280 on my PS4 last year and I really doubt you could do better for that value building a PC.

PC parts are expensive. You would pay R$694,37 for a sole 750TI in Brazil. Good luck with the remaining parts to fit the budget.

That's the point, it's just not worth it at all. PC gaming in Brazil is not for anyone, a top notch build (GTX980 / 16GB RAM / i7 4º generation / everything else decent) would cost at least R$8500, building from scratch. It's criminously expensive.

EDIT: I went on PSN BR and got the price for a complete edition with season pass instead of regular game. My bad
75 dollars is the right price

It's all good.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Can you play Mortal Kombat X with graphics and framerate (this is the most important) as good as in the PS4 edition with the PC you are talking about?

Please tell where you can build a PC powerfull enough to do that with less than R$2,000 (which is the price of a PS4 + extra controller + MK X).

You just said you paid R$1,200 only on the GPU. You need a good CPU, a modern motherboard, at least 8GB DDR3 memory, a decent cooler, a decent HDD/SDD (games keep getting bigger). Build that from scratch and you will end up paying more than R$5,000.

I had a old PC with a old board and dual core CPU. Even though I had a good card (AMD R7950 twin frozr III), to play MK X I would have to upgrade the motherboard, get at least a i5 core, get at least 8GB RAM and a new cabinet. So even considering I have a good GPU, I would still spend about R$1800 - R$2500 in upgrades. Do you think that's reasonable?

If its true that a HD 7770 is somewhat equivalent of a PS4 GPU, then these VGA costs at about R$300,00~400,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/297...770-1024mb-1gb-ddr5-pci-express-gv-r777oc-1gd

A nice core-i5 you can buy for like R$900,00: http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/494...-1ghz-3-3ghz-max-turbo-lga-1150-bx80646i54440

8gb Ram Corsair, at about R$350,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/315...ance-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10-black

Let's say you expend 600 with a cabinet (that's the translation for the PC "case"?) and a motherboard. And you expent at about R$2250,00. And I have not even searched deeply.

Now a PS4 in a gray marketing store that's know for having low prices, almost R$1800,00: http://www.superrecruta.com.br/playstation-barato/consoles-playstation-barato.html

There's a difference of 450~500. New releases for PS4 costs at about 190, that's less then 3 new games difference.

And I'm not even a PC gamer. I play almost exclusively on consoles, for years. But besides I agree a PC may cost a little more to build a similar PS4/XB1 machine, you will easily take it back on games in a year depending how much you play.

I just don't play on PC cause I don't enjoy it. I prefer the dedicated gaming systems that consoles are and that's all. But PC in a long run is chaper, and you won't expent R$5.000,00 to build a PS4 equivalent machine, that I'm 100% sure. That much you would spent on a high-end machine, if that much.

 

[Syntsui]

If its true that a HD 7770 is somewhat equivalent of a PS4 GPU, then these VGA costs at about R$300,00~400,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/297...770-1024mb-1gb-ddr5-pci-express-gv-r777oc-1gd

A nice core-i5 you can buy for like R$900,00: http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/494...-1ghz-3-3ghz-max-turbo-lga-1150-bx80646i54440

8gb Ram Corsair, at about R$350,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/315...ance-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10-black

Let's say you expend 600 with a cabinet (that's the translation for the PC "case"?) and a motherboard. And you expent at about R$2250,00. And I have not even searched deeply.

Now a PS4 in a gray marketing store that's know for having low prices, almost R$1800,00: http://www.superrecruta.com.br/playstation-barato/consoles-playstation-barato.html

There's a difference of 450~500. New releases for PS4 costs at about 190, that's less then 3 new games difference.

And I'm not even a PC gamer. I play almost exclusively on consoles, for years. But besides I agree a PC may cost a little more to build a similar PS4/XB1 machine, you will easily take it back on games in a year depending how much you play.

I just don't play on PC cause I don't enjoy it. I prefer the dedicated gaming systems that consoles are and that's all. But PC in a long run is chaper, and you won't expent R$5.000,00 to build a PS4 equivalent machine, that I'm 100% sure. That much you would spent on a high-end machine, if that much.

You won't play MK X with good settings at 60fps with this GPU...

 

[Lionel Richie]

Please don't pull a Nintendo and leave me too Sony ;_;

 

[Gbraga]

Is this a result of the exorbitant pricing of the PS4 and games in Brazil?

Or just hackers hacking?

Just hackers hacking, if you can afford a PS4 here, you can definitely afford the games.

However most people that buys a PS4 and make use of piracy forms, like downloading giant games at torrents, has a decent enough wage to afford some originals, if doing it moderated. I dont really think that the main public of these hackers are actually poor.

I'm not denying the hard situation it is to acquire original games. But to afford an expensive console and a decent enough connection to download 30gb games and to say you really can't afford buying original games with moderation (like one every one or two months, and trying to avoid new releases prices) seems to me only piracy culture and not necessity.

Also, there are other options. You dont need a PS4 to play games. PC games have a very fair price in Brazil, both on Steam or retail stores.

Pretty much

 

[Stone Ocean]

You won't play MK X with good settings at 60fps with this GPU...

MK X is hardly a benchmark considering how shite the port is

 

[GifGafIsTheBestGaf]

Is there anything stopping them from installing more than 10 games?

And even if there is, couldn't they just pay another $150 in the future and get 10 new games?

stock hard drive probably, lol

interesting stuff btw, the genius of people for some things

 

[crookedaxis]

If its true that a HD 7770 is somewhat equivalent of a PS4 GPU, then these VGA costs at about R$300,00~400,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/297...770-1024mb-1gb-ddr5-pci-express-gv-r777oc-1gd

a r9 270x/750ti would be better
my gpu is the HD 7870, i don't get to play games better than my console in most cases.

 

[RobRSG]

If its true that a HD 7770 is somewhat equivalent of a PS4 GPU, then these VGA costs at about R$300,00~400,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/297...770-1024mb-1gb-ddr5-pci-express-gv-r777oc-1gd

A nice core-i5 you can buy for like R$900,00: http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/494...-1ghz-3-3ghz-max-turbo-lga-1150-bx80646i54440

8gb Ram Corsair, at about R$350,00:
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/315...ance-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10-black

Let's say you expend 600 with a cabinet (that's the translation for the PC "case"?) and a motherboard. And you expent at about R$2250,00. And I have not even searched deeply.

Now a PS4 in a gray marketing store that's know for having low prices, almost R$1800,00: http://www.superrecruta.com.br/playstation-barato/consoles-playstation-barato.html

There's a difference of 450~500. New releases for PS4 costs at about 190, that's less then 3 new games difference.

And I'm not even a PC gamer. I play almost exclusively on consoles, for years. But besides I agree a PC may cost a little more to build a similar PS4/XB1 machine, you will easily take it back on games in a year depending how much you play.

I just don't play on PC cause I don't enjoy it. I prefer the dedicated gaming systems that consoles are and that's all. But PC in a long run is chaper, and you won't expent R$5.000,00 to build a PS4 equivalent machine, that I'm 100% sure. That much you would spent on a high-end machine, if that much.

You won't play MK X with good settings at 60fps with this GPU...

That GPU is comparable to XB1 with less VRAM. And would not perform well on MKX due to the game's terribad optimization. PS4's GPU is more on par with 7850.

A 7850 is more on par with PS4, and still has less VRAM, costing around R$ 717,31. 750TI is a better option.

http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/297...850-2048mb-2gb-ddr5-pci-express-gv-r785oc-2gd

Being a PC gamer on Brazil is not easy. Unless you don't care playing things on minimum settings.

 

[Stone Ocean]

A R$2250 PC isn't running games on minimum settings lol

 

[Kssio_Aug]

You won't play MK X with good settings at 60fps with this GPU...

It depends of what you call "good settings" and how the game was optimized. As I said, I'm not a PC gamer, and I don't know if MKX is an example of well optmized PC game.

I'm sure however, that with a R$5.000,00 machine (that you said would be equivalent to a PS4, what isn't true), it would make MKX fly!

 

[Syntsui]

MK X is hardly a benchmark considering how shite the port is

I know, it's just a good example for me, since it's pretty mcuh the only game I care in this new generation.

It depends of what you call "good settings" and how the game was optimized. As I said, I'm not a PC gamer, and I don't know if MKX is an example of well optmized PC game.

I'm sure however, that with a R$5.000,00 machine (that you said would be equivalent to a PS4, what isn't true), it would make MKX fly!

Let me help you with precise examples:

Considering the game's recommended settings this are the most essential items:

Ivy Bridge Core i7-3770 3.40Ghz, 8MB LGA1155 - BX80637I73770 = R$1,444.91
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/282...-40ghz-8mb-lga1155-bx80637i73770/?tag=i7 3770

Zotac GeForce GTX660 = R$869.90
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/384...-3-0-x16-sli-support-zt-60901-10m/?tag=gtx660

Let's consider the RAM you informed = R$350.00
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/315...ance-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10-black

Now that's about R$2,664.81 just for the 3 most important items. Please consider I said you needed about R$5,000 to build a PC FROM SCRATCH, so you still need a modern motherboard, a cooler, a font, a HDD/SDD and the cabinet. I don't think we need to search the price for these items to conclude that everything will be around R$5,000.

 

[Sanpei]

I hope it's real...

 

[Ethical Hedonism]

However most people that buys a PS4 and make use of piracy forms, like downloading giant games at torrents, has a decent enough wage to afford some originals, if doing it moderated. I dont really think that the main public of these hackers are actually poor.

I'm not denying the hard situation it is to acquire original games. But to afford an expensive console and a decent enough connection to download 30gb games and to say you really can't afford buying original games with moderation (like one every one or two months, and trying to avoid new releases prices) seems to me only piracy culture and not necessity.

Also, there are other options. You dont need a PS4 to play games. PC games have a very fair price in Brazil, both on Steam or retail stores.

Came here to post something along these lines, glad I'm not the only one that thinks like this.

 

[entremet]

Youtube?

C'mon, bro.

That's not an adequate substitute at all. Gaming is an interactive medium.

I will never get the Youtube response.

 

[Jomjom]

Well at least these guys aren't missing much by not being able to update since Sony rarely updates with new features.


I kid. I kid!

 

[Stone Ocean]

Let me help you with precise examples:

Considering the game's recommended settings this are the most essential items:

Ivy Bridge Core i7-3770 3.40Ghz, 8MB LGA1155 - BX80637I73770 = R$1,444.91
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/282...-40ghz-8mb-lga1155-bx80637i73770/?tag=i7 3770

Zotac GeForce GTX660 = R$869.90
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/384...-3-0-x16-sli-support-zt-60901-10m/?tag=gtx660

Let's consider the RAM you informed = R$350.00
http://www.kabum.com.br/produto/315...ance-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cmz8gx3m1a1600c10-black

Now that's about R$2,664.81 just for the 3 most important items. Please consider I said you needed about R$5,000 to build a PC FROM SCRATCH, so you still need a modern motherboard, a cooler, a font, a HDD/SDD and the cabinet. I don't think we need to search the price for these items to conclude that everything will be around R$5,000.

You're looking at highly inflated online store prices. My PC has similar settings, cost me R$2200 - coolers, power sources, motherboard, all that jazz included - and the only thing I didn't buy was the cabinet, and I didn't even go to a grey market store so shit was overpriced in comparison.

PC gaming is hardly expensive around here. It's just a hassle to get in at first since you need to understand which parts are good and which are shit.

 

[Brazil]

I hope it's real...

I don't know why you'd hope that, but it's definitely real.

 

[Syntsui]

You're looking at highly inflated online store prices. My PC has similar settings, cost me R$2200 - coolers, power sources, motherboard, all that jazz included - and the only thing I didn't buy was the cabinet, and I didn't even go to a grey market store so shit was overpriced in comparison.

Where do you buy your parts? I always thought Kabum had good prices compared to retail.

 

[GunBR]

Is this a result of the exorbitant pricing of the PS4 and games in Brazil?

Or just hackers hacking?

The original article (in portuguese) says that the piracy was created by russian hackers. So it's option B

Actually now the games are costing almost the same that in the US
But even if you could buy one game for $15, there was still people who would prefer to pay $100 to hack with 10 games

 

[Unai]

I've paid R$1.280 on my PS4 last year and I really doubt you could do better for that value building a PC.

PC parts are expensive. You would pay R$694,37 for a sole 750TI in Brazil. Good luck with the remaining parts to fit the budget.

Comon, of course a good PC is more expensive than a PS4, just like in every part of the world. But it's not R$ 5000,00 either.

 

[Tagg9]

Console hacks are practically useless in this day and age when so many games require patches and online access.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Where do you buy your parts? I always thought Kabum had good prices compared to retail.

I got mine from a local store chain.

 

[RobRSG]

You're looking at highly inflated online store prices. My PC has similar settings, cost me R$2200 - coolers, power sources, motherboard, all that jazz included - and the only thing I didn't buy was the cabinet, and I didn't even go to a grey market store so shit was overpriced in comparison.

If your PC has similar settings and you bought the parts for R$2200, please let me know where you bought them, because I'm having a hard time finding for less.

Second-hand GTX680s are being sold for R$700/R$800.

 

[RobRSG]

Comon, of course a good PC is more expensive than a PS4, just like in every part of the world. But it's not R$ 5000,00 either.

Never said that, pal. I just said that you would never have the same bang-for-buck for a comparable price.

 

[LiK]

what's new? everyone finds a way.i still remember people i knew going to some place in Chinatown to have their consoles modded for a fee to be region-free and play pirated games.

 

[stan423321]

Piracy wont affect very much like old days now because most of the game getting released are online focused and have many patches, so they need internet to enjoy all the new DLC content and bug free games if they want to use PS4 for new games. Sony might be able to patch this in future update and future titles might be asked that update to work.

It depends on how exactly the whole system works, but the fact the thing presented here works... well, it's not exactly a hint at a method of fixing this. If they are able to distinguish "broken" PS4s, I would do that in their place already.

 

[Syntsui]

Comon, of course a good PC is more expensive than a PS4, just like in every part of the world. But it's not R$ 5000,00 either.

I think I made myself clear on what game I used as example, building a PC from scratch to run MK X in Brazil with good graphics and solid 60fps is not much less than R$5000. If you guarantee it is, please tell me the store that sell all the parts in São Paulo that I will have a look.

 

[RobRSG]

I got mine from a local store chain.

Maybe they don't like profiting.

 

[Charles Brandon]

I don't know why you'd hope that, but it's definitely real.

I think I know why smh

 

[Stone Ocean]

If your PC has similar settings and you bought the parts for R$2200, please let me know where you bought them, because I'm having a hard time finding for less.

Second-hand GTX680s are being sold for R$700/R$800.

This is the store

Random parts aren't that cheap but I got a nice discount from getting the whole PC at the actual store - and these stores loooove discounts for big sales. Simply upgrading certain parts yeah, it'll be expensive, but then again you're just upgrading certain parts, not building a gaming PC, you aren't going to spend more than a PS4 worth of money unless you're going big. Online shopping for parts is just no.

 

[Maintenance]

ITT: People still believe that the original PS4 price was only because of taxes and not Sony being greedy.

:lol

 

[Syntsui]

ITT: People still believe that the original PS4 price was only because of taxes and not Sony being greedy.

:lol

Yeah man, fuck Dilma, fuck PT, fuck the government.

:lol

 

[RobRSG]

This is the store

Random parts aren't that cheap but I got a nice discount from getting the whole PC at the actual store - and these stores loooove discounts for big sales. Simply upgrading certain parts yeah, it'll be expensive, but then again you're just upgrading certain parts, not building a gaming PC, you aren't going to spend more than a PS4 worth of money unless you're going big. Online shopping for parts is just no.

I'm looking at their pre-made computers and it's no just no.

If they treat a single custom PC sell as a big sale, as you said, I'm pretty sure they don't like profiting.

 

[Gbraga]

Yeah man, fuck Dilma, fuck PT, fuck the government.

:lol

Really?

 

[BKK]

NAND flash requires soldering through a JTAG or serial port, doesn't it?

This is pretty interesting, being a software hack that's more or less transparent to Sony.
The only method they'd have to catch that, until a further hw revision - that can check authorized components IDs, like the disc reader, is probably autoban all people involved if more than two connections from the same ID are detected.

In all likeness, a NAND copy through serial ports will override all IDs, so the only check possible is against components outside the main board. Disc readers generally haven't even got serial ports for flashing, so they're a good target i reckon.


Also, i don't think they're losing online connectivity, not until sony patches something to detect cloned IDs. It all depends on how they store HWIDs - if those are in the NAND, they're overridable.

The way I see this heading is some Chinese firms will start manufacturing a user friendly NAND flash and HDD cloning solution (will probably require someone with technical expertise to initially install it for most people). Pirates will share cloned NAND + HDD images online, simply reflashing the NAND and recloning the HDD each time they want to pirate the latest games. Should be easy to ban cloned IDs from PSN, but may not be possible to prevent this in offline consoles. Sony will attempt to make it difficult to achieve in new models by way of hardware revisions.

 

[lukeskymac]

I got mine from a local store chain.

Funny, Kabum's prices are often more competitive than the (admittedly shitty) local store chains where I live.

 

[jett]

I don't believe this for a second.

 

[elcuervo75]

So many pirates in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Spend some time down there and you will see what I mean. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.


*Edited to reflect more what I was trying to say without the bad choice of wording. Sorry again.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there.

What in the moist barrels of fuck?

 

[hawk2025]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there.

What the fuck.

 

[crookedaxis]

Yeah man, fuck Dilma, fuck PT, fuck the government.

:lol

amazing how everyone blames Dilma and PT for high taxes fusahfuhsafijfnsd
it wasn't a dream when i used to buy Sega Saturn games in the 90s, by the time PT was just Lula screaming the same thing we usually do nowadays, just different letters

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

I know right, an entire continent full of thieves who don't care, like all of them. Totally not generalising.

Spoiler

what's wrong with you

 

[elcuervo75]

What in the moist barrels of fuck?

I knew I would get that reaction from the uninformed.

In the MONTHS I have spent down there, I have not seen ONE legitimate factory copy of a movie.

PS1 and PS2 games by the hundreds copied.

College books, all from a copying machine.

My wife is latina (South America) and she will tell you the same thing. It's pathetic and such a problem down there.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I knew I would get that reaction from the uninformed.

In the MONTHS I have spent down there, I have not seen ONE legitimate factory copy of a movie.

PS1 and PS2 games by the hundreds copied.

College books, all from a copying machine.

My wife is latina (South America) and she will tell you the same thing. It's pathetic and such a problem down there.

Try to guess where I live

Then fuck off

 

[Maintenance]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

Gibbe gold plox. I report u.

 

[Gbraga]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

Damn, I'm a thief.