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[lukeskymac]

What in the moist barrels of fuck?

What the fuck.

Well, in the period between the rise of p2p and Steam officially releasing in Brazil, piracy was the norm, not the exception.

The Xbox 360 won here big time solely due to how easy (and earlier than PS3) you could mod it to accept pirated games, multiplayer be damned. Among my friends, only those in the middle-high class own/ed PS3s or unmodded 360s: everyone else had pirate 360s only.

And by middle-high I don't mean middle+high either. Low class are usually lucky to own PS2s.

 

[Ravage]

I hope it's real...

You're hoping for piracy to be possible. Care to explain why?

 

[elcuervo75]

Try to guess where I live

Then fuck off

Not trying to make anyone upset, just stating some real facts. All my nephews (who are middle class down there) have pirated games. Not one single legit copy of anything.

My wife who went to the best college in her city of a million people, ALL her college books were copied.

You think this crap doesn't hurt anyone? Get your head out of the sand.

 

[hawk2025]

Well, in the period between the rise of p2p and Steam officially releasing in Brazil, piracy was the norm, not the exception.

The Xbox 360 won here big time solely due to how easy (and earlier than PS3) you could mod it to accept pirated games, multiplayer be damned. Among my friends, only those in the middle-high class own/ed PS3s or unmodded 360s: everyone else had pirate 360s only.

Of course piracy is rampant in South America.

But there is a wide, WIDE gap between that fact and what he actually said.

Not trying to make anyone upset, just stating some real facts. All my nephews (who are middle class down there) have pirated games. Not one single legit copy of anything.

My wife who went to the best college in her city of a million people, ALL her college books were copied.

You think this crap doesn't hurt anyone? Get your head out of the sand.

You are not stating real facts. No one gives a shit about your months of experience and anecdotes.
There's a significant issue with piracy, just like there was a significant issue with music piracy in the US and throughout the world until the market organized around digital downloads. That you take this as a signal that you should call a whole region of the world "nothing but thieves" with no concern for the content creators is fucking disgusting.

 

[Gbraga]

Not trying to make anyone upset, just stating some real facts. All my nephews (who are middle class down there) have pirated games. Not one single legit copy of anything.

My wife who went to the best college in her city of a million people, ALL her college books were copied.

You think this crap doesn't hurt anyone? Get your head out of the sand.

Man, be careful, I might steal your post.

 

[Kurt Russell]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

Yeah, thanks...

It's true that a lot of people here pirate stuff like there's no tomorrow. But saying that everyone here is a thief? Please...

There's also the fact that we rarely get fair regional pricing here (I'm talking about Argentina, but I guess that most of this stuff applies to the rest of the region as well) and many retailers don't even care about the market. Until Steam became the juggernaut it is today, the only way to get games at "normal" prices was importing them. Brick and mortar stores sell pirated games and the government doesn't care (they collect the taxes)
So, yeah, there's a "culture" of piracy, but you can't go around saying that we are all thieves, because that's a lie, and it's offensive towards those of us who don't partake in such activities.

 

[Maintenance]

Man, be careful, I might steal your post.

Somebody might steal his account.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I can't blame Sony, but they should lower their prices too.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Not trying to make anyone upset, just stating some real facts. All my nephews (who are middle class down there) have pirated games. Not one single legit copy of anything.

My wife who went to the best college in her city of a million people, ALL her college books were copied.

You think this crap doesn't hurt anyone? Get your head out of the sand.

I just want to point out the absurdity of what is happening here. You are telling a poster than lives in a country that you know more about it because you have been there and have a wife from there.

#realFacts

 

[elcuervo75]

Yeah, thanks...

It's true that a lot of people here pirate stuff like there's no tomorrow. But saying that everyone here is a thief? Please...

There's also the fact that we rarely get fair regional pricing here (I'm talking about Argentina, but I guess that most of this stuff applies to the rest of the region as well) and many retailers don't even care about the market. Until Steam became the juggernaut it is today, the only way to get games at "normal" prices was importing them. Brick and mortar stores sell pirated games and the government doesn't care (they collect the taxes)
So, yeah, there's a "culture" of piracy, but you can't go around saying that we are all thieves, because that's a lie, and it's offensive towards those of us who don't partake in such activities.

OK, you're right. Bad choice of words. But my point is that it is rampant down there. You have to see it (anyone who has never spent real time down there) to have any understanding. I was amazed the first time I was down there.

 

[boredandlazy]

I can't blame Sony, but they should lower their prices too.

I thought the PS4 was expensive in Brazil because of government taxes, not the price Sony has set?

 

[elcuervo75]

I just want to point out the absurdity of what is happening here. You are telling a poster than lives in a country that you know more about it because you have been there and have a wife from there.

#realFacts

Well, yeah my wife lived there for 33 years and we joke about it all the time.

That counts for nothing?

Look at my username, Spanish for The Raven. Obviously I like latinos. I married one!!!

 

[Maintenance]

I thought the PS4 was expensive in Brazil because of government taxes, not the price Sony has set?

Nah, that's the excuse Sony gave. You could go to Miami, buy a new one, get back, get taxed and it would still be cheaper (Disclaimer: at the release date, not now).

 

[hawk2025]

OK, you're right. Bad choice of words. But my point is that it is rampant down there. You have to see it (anyone who has never spent real time down there) to have any understanding. I was amazed the first time I was down there.

No, don't backpedal now.

It wasn't a bad choice of words. You literally said it was "nothing but thieves" with no concern for content creators, and made sure to point out that if we thought you were generalizing, it was because we didn't know better.

That's not simply a bad choice of words.

I find it extra hilarious that you aren't even identifying the country: You are literally including ALL of South America and Central America in the same sack.

 

[lukeskymac]

Of course piracy is rampant in South America.

But there is a wide, WIDE gap between that fact and what he actually said.

Yeah, fallaciously generalized post is fallaciously generalized. Just trying to frame the context.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Well, yeah my wife lived there for 33 years and we joke about it all the time.

That counts for nothing?

Look at my username, Spanish for The Raven. Obviously I like latinos. I married one!!!

So your wife lived in all of whatever country she is from, and said country will account for the entirety of South America?

 

[elcuervo75]

No, don't backpedal now.

It wasn't a bad choice of words. You literally said it was "nothing but thieves" with no concern for content creators, and made sure to point out that if we thought you were generalizing, it was because we didn't know better.

That's not simply a bad choice of words.

I find it extra hilarious that you aren't even identifying the country: You are literally including ALL of South America and Central America in the same sack.

Peru, El Salvador, Mexico, Columbia.

 

[Maintenance]

I find it extra hilarious that you aren't even identifying the country: You are literally including ALL of South America and Central America in the same sack.

I heard South America and Central America are two big countries like that one called Eurozone, right?

 

[Reset]

Watch a Youtube video of someone playing it. I will probably never own a PS4 and that's how I experienced it.

That's an awful way to experience it...

 

[Stone Ocean]

Peru, El Salvador, Mexico, Columbia.

Psst

Mexico is in North America. So I guess our friends from the US are all thieves as well!

 

[hawk2025]

Peru, El Salvador, Mexico, Columbia.

I hear people copy all their textbooks at Columbia too.

 

[B-Ri]

Peru, El Salvador, Mexico, Columbia.

Its also Colombia

 

[Kurt Russell]

OK, you're right. Bad choice of words. But my point is that it is rampant down there. You have to see it (anyone who has never spent real time down there) to have any understanding. I was amazed the first time I was down there.

I can always agree with someone who is willing to admit a mistake

It's like you say, piracy is rampant here, but people should also consider that we aren't getting a fair treatment from the publishers either.
When Sony decided to open an official Argentinian store they blatantly marked up their prices for example. I mean, our economy is way worse than the USA for example, yet Sony decided that we should pay MORE instead of trying to do something like what Valve did in Brazil or the CIS countries (sadly, Valve thinks that only Mexico and Brazil are part of Latin America when it comes to fair pricing, so we get all the same region locks but have to pay the same as the USA)
Same goes for most musical labels, movie distributors, etc.
Worst thing is that now we can't even import stuff, because our import taxes are outrageous (and the customs offices steal stuff all the time)

 

[inky]

Psst

Mexico is in North America

And Columbia ain't even a country.

All people from Minnesota are ignorant idiots. Sorry, I know it sounds harsh, but it's true because I knew this one guy who didn't know shit about South American countries. But hey, I love Minnesota. Go Packers!

 

[PixelHorror]

Peru, El Salvador, Mexico, Columbia.

It's Colombia, we're not an USA state.

And yes piracy is pretty rampant, that doesn't mean that we are all thieves.

 

[tbm24]

OK, you're right. Bad choice of words. But my point is that it is rampant down there. You have to see it (anyone who has never spent real time down there) to have any understanding. I was amazed the first time I was down there.

There's not much to see. These items are priced out of the range of what I would say is the majority in these countries. Find it despicable all you want, video games and media entertainment goes a long way to dealing with the realities many live in.

 

[jett]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

Thanks for calling me a thief.

Fucking Idiot.

 

[elcuervo75]

Psst

Mexico is in North America. So I guess our friends from the US are all thieves as well!

Many are man. I see it here a lot too. The difference is our government will actually prosecute these things because of our IP and copyright laws.

I personally think there would be less theft in other parts of the world if there was more education about it. None of my family down there understand that it takes millions of dollars to create this stuff and that people actually make a living doing it.

The fact is, they don't consider it stealing because it came from the magical USA where it all just appears from. Education could fix some of that.

 

[Zaventem]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

Concerts and live shows are the norm to make money bro.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Many are man. I see it here a lot too. The difference is our government will actually prosecute these things because of our IP and copyright laws.

I personally think there would be less theft in other parts of the world if there was more education about it. None of my family down there understand that it takes millions of dollars to create this stuff and that people actually make a living doing it.

The fact is, they don't consider it stealing because it came from the magical USA where it all just appears from. Education could fix some of that.

We're not just thieves, we're uneducated thieves!

 

[Insane Metal]

ITT: People still believe that the original PS4 price was only because of taxes and not Sony being greedy.

:lol

Pretty much.

Yeah man, fuck Dilma, fuck PT, fuck the government.

:lol

Pretty much, too.

 

[elcuervo75]

Thanks for calling me a thief.

Fucking Idiot.

OK people, I should have not said "nothing but" and said "MANY more than most realize".

I apologize.

 

[Bomber Bob]

That's not an adequate substitute at all.

dude it's Silent Hill PT

 

[i-Jest]

Friend who has it? delorean?

Time travel is not possible without a Flix Capacitor.

 

[Stone Ocean]

OK people, I should have not said "nothing but" and said "MANY more than most realize".

I apologize.

You shouldn't have said jack shit.

You don't get to be a bigot because your wife is latina.

 

[tbm24]

Many are man. I see it here a lot too. The difference is our government will actually prosecute these things because of our IP and copyright laws.

I personally think there would be less theft in other parts of the world if there was more education about it. None of my family down there understand that it takes millions of dollars to create this stuff and that people actually make a living doing it.

The fact is, they don't consider it stealing because it came from the magical USA where it all just appears from. Education could fix some of that.

More like the magical USA should work together with these countries to offer their products at prices that make sense.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

I'd answer this shit, but I don't know, I guess I'd rather just steal your PC.

 

[Madao]

i'm from Panama and piracy here has gone down quite a bit since getting official games at reasonable prices has been one of the strong points here.
it costs about the same to buy stuff from outside and have it shipped here. i save like $5 at most when i buy a game from amazon vs buying it locally.

that's not to say that there isn't because piracy exists here too but it's mostly happening with people who can't afford the games even at normal prices. people can go official if they have the income and not have their ass ripped off by insane prices.

i'm sure there's lots of piracy in the US among people who can't afford games too. piracy doesn't happen for the same reason everywhere.

 

[lupinko]

What I find interesting is that this happened to the PS4 quickly as opposed to the PS3, and the PS3 was really a Sony blunder originally (IBM did make a nigh impregnable system but Sony goofed by leaving a key under the welcome mat).

 

[Meaty]

I knew I would get that reaction from the uninformed.

In the MONTHS I have spent down there, I have not seen ONE legitimate factory copy of a movie.

PS1 and PS2 games by the hundreds copied.

College books, all from a copying machine.

My wife is latina (South America) and she will tell you the same thing. It's pathetic and such a problem down there.

Advice #1:

Piracy is not the same as thieving.

Advice #2:

Do you even know the NAMES of all south and central american countries? Be informed yourself when you are so eager to call others misinformed.

Advice #3:

Never generalize based on your limited poor experience.

Advice #4

Even if you were right. Which you are not, since you cant possibly know all of south amd central america, whenever you feel the urge to do a xenophobic post, take a deep breath and hold it to yourself.




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Semi-related:

Its very easy to judge when you never been in others shoes. I know kids that the only possible way for them to ever play a game in their life, is to pirate on the ps2, a 15 year old platform.

Sure, gaming is not a right, its a luxury. But its easy to say that when you had that luxury your whole life.


Not defending piracy, i know im risking getting a ban like this, but the way people in first world countries judge us annoy me to no end.

 

[Shambles]

You shouldn't have said jack shit.

You don't get to be a bigot because your wife is latina.

Here we go!

 

[spoonztt]

Not really surprised at this happening after the Ebay thing. Over on CAG there are guys that rent accounts out to users. I'm surprised they haven't cracked down on that since it's so blatant.

 

[Quadraphonic]

Nah, that's the excuse Sony gave. You could go to Miami, buy a new one, get back, get taxed and it would still be cheaper (Disclaimer: at the release date, not now).

You really think Sony is to blame here?

 

[Maintenance]

You really think Sony is to blame here?

Yes, I do. I've seen they try that before with the PS3 at launch.

I'll elaborate a bit: Taxes are high? Yes they are, very very high, but even then they are not enough to get the price that high.

 

[elcuervo75]

i'm from Panama and piracy here has gone down quite a bit since getting official games at reasonable prices has been one of the strong points here.
it costs about the same to buy stuff from outside and have it shipped here. i save like $5 at most when i buy a game from amazon vs buying it locally.

that's not to say that there isn't because piracy exists here too but it's mostly happening with people who can't afford the games even at normal prices. people can go official if they have the income and not have their ass ripped off by insane prices.

i'm sure there's lots of piracy in the US among people who can't afford games too. piracy doesn't happen for the same reason everywhere.

I wish Steam would fix the issue for PC gamers down there because most of them would gladly pay for the cheap PC games on sale instead of dealing with all the hacked games and viruses that come along with that mess.

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Not trying to make anyone upset, just stating some real facts. All my nephews (who are middle class down there) have pirated games. Not one single legit copy of anything.

My wife who went to the best college in her city of a million people, ALL her college books were copied.

You think this crap doesn't hurt anyone? Get your head out of the sand.

I won't deny that here in Brazil there is a culture of piracy. But you're being extremely colse minded! First of all, if there's a culture, or a costume of buying pirated stuff, you can be sure that's not because people simply "don't care". I'm sure we can go back to history, analyze the political, economical and social aspects till this date and understand why is that!

Also I know many people, from my university and my life out of it, that likes to buy many original books even though most of them sometimes indeed search for pirated copies for whatever reason (and I, myself, I won't deny the fact and be a hypocrate). In my law university we buy original books every semester. At my house and my girlfriend's home, there are a bunch of original books of every kind, and we're not exceptions in that regard.

Not only that, even videogames today are changing in that regard. A time ago (like 15 years ago), when I was a kid, all my PS1 and PS2 games were pirated, the same of every single cousin and friend of mine, that time it was a really common thing. Nowadays however, all my cousins and friends owns a PS3, PS4 or Xbox One, and guess what, they buy only original games, physical or digital! And I'm from some internet videogames groups, and I'd say 90% of the users in those communities also only buys original games to their PS3/X360/PS4/XB1.

Take care with what you're saying. You're talking too much knowing nothing about the actual circumstances.

 

[Shizuka]

Regarding brazilian taxes and the PS4 price at launch: it does not match. Taxes won't make a PS4 cost R$4000, Sony used that as an excuse for bad planning and gross profiting from the brazilian market.

 

[andrerobot]

OK people, I should have not said "nothing but" and said "MANY more than most realize".

I apologize.

I stand by you man, don't apologize. I'm South American and people don't give a shit about pirating everything: books, music, movies, tv shows, software. People from all classes do it, including people wealthy enough to afford the real stuff.

In Chile, things have got a little better though. Until the 90s, early 2000s you could easily find stores that sold pirated games, but now they're closed down by the police. I guess that Sony got their shit together here and started enforcing their copyright.

 

[RobRSG]

Nothing but thieves in central and south America with no concern about the people who actually have to produce games and movies. Don't believe me and think I'm generalizing? Spend some time down there. Even the entertainers down there miss out on a lot of sales of CDs and such, which is why they do so many concerts and live shows.

Nothing but thieves, huh?

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