Nothing new. Plenty of times when new talent has been injected into the Leafs, that person or persons has been deemed 'THE SAVIOUR!"
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Nothing new. Plenty of times when new talent has been injected into the Leafs, that person or persons has been deemed 'THE SAVIOUR!"
I said "at this rate"
Jesus Christ, it's like hyperbole is a crime nowadays
Seriously. I have nothing against the Leafs signing Babcock, but with how much of a gong show the Toronto media turns every single move the Leafs make, it's really no surprise that they haven't won since 67, they put tremendous pressure on the Leafs personnel for absolutely no good reason.
Simon Belmont
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Come on, it's not like people are actually being prosecuted for exaggerating things!
.... but that dad was a Leafs fan...
CreeperBlocks
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Scott Oake was the Astronaut all along
I hope they keep him.
Don't forget the leafs have nylander, brown and the 4th OA coming into the NHL next year or the year after
Leafs can accomplish things with the assets they have... the big question is if they want to?
Personally, I think trading Kessel would be a mistake (just judged by his current perceived value). If we draft Hanifin... trading either of phaneuf or kessel would be a mistake.
Why? Because we're going to have pretty large offensive and defensive depth at that point with a coach that preaches accountability. Important when the team can do that with a smaller impact to the overall team.
I just don't want the Leafs to give up on this team when they still have very very good pieces... despite the fact they're inconsistent as fuck.
CrazedArabMan
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Still being the better team.
Simon Belmont
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Seriously. It's impossible for them to really compete spending that much money down the middle.
Better to go with a Bozak-Kadri one-two punch.
Mortimer Brewster
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Ken Holland is still the GM, we will be better then fine without Babcock. In Holland and Mr Illitch we trust.
Simon Belmont
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Can I interest you in a fallacy of the excluded middle?
How's it different then paying Toews and Kanes 10.5 though?
Except in this instance there's no media outlet in Toronto claiming that Babcock is a savior. Quite the opposite, almost universally it's being said it's a great move hiring Babcock but the Leafs are still years away from being any good and it'll be a painful process. You'll always get the typical "Joe from the 'bridge" type fan who thinks the Leafs can win the Cup every year, but that goes for any fanbase. I think the Toronto media has been fairly realistic with this hiring.
I don't see how this has become a "gong show", it's huge news and is being reported accordingly. Any market that signed him would have had their local radio, tv and newsprint running story after story about him as well.
Simon Belmont
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They don't both play C. They had five D in the playoffs. Clearly they mismanaged the cap, and of the players making big money on that team I think Malkin is the only one you'd get a decent return for.
They don't play the same position?
5 more years of Cleary!
Except this is all being broadcast nationally. I'm sure no one in Vancouver really cares about watching Babcock's every last breath being described vividly for 15 minutes on TSN.
Hell, we don't even have to go as far as Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal fans don't care to hear TSN swoon on about Babcock for 15 minutes either(and they were swooning, the whole 15 minutes was spent listing out each one of his accomplishments from junior to the NHL to the olympics).
Simon Belmont
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Canada's team.
Are you talking about Joe from Burlington? The guy who thinks that McDavid should be traded for 5 or 6 average players and grinders, cause you still need players to fill your roster for next season.
I was poking fun at the irony, and your inattention to it, not engaging you in argument.
Simon Belmont
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I was poking fun at the irony, and your inattention to it, not engaging you in argument.
Haha I got ya. Man, leafs fans can't say nuttin'
meh I think the Pens have some issues, mostly related to some stupid roster moves they've made along with less than stellar drafting and some bad injury luck.
Malkin and Crosby both being paid a lot isn't the problem.
That's funny. I wasn't talking about anyone in particular but the running joke on Leafs lunch about homer, delusional Leafs fans in Woodbridge.
Simon Belmont
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If I'm being fair, I've defended this group of players in the past. I probably had that coming.
I'll be gentle when your time comes, Soc.
I guess you can never say what would have been, but right now it sure looks like an albatross on them.
Sorry mobile users, couldn't resist.
Sweet, merciful Belmont, you are too kind.
Do you honestly believe if Babcock had signed in Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa or any other Canadian team outside of Toronto it wouldn't have made national broadcasts?
He's not saying that it shouldn't be broadcast nationally, but pointing out that the media furor is being broadcast to markets that don't give half a shit.
Lone_Prodigy
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Chicago will be in trouble soon with Kane and Toews' salaries. They'll probably have to dump Bickell or Sharp, and their defensive depth took a hit when Leddy was traded (and despite what Marvie says, they do seem to be missing Roszival right now). Crawford is very good, but $6M is a lot of money to spend on a goalie.
Penguins had some bad injuries but they should try to offload Dupuis (36) and Kunitz (35) soon. They have some good young defencemen (Maata and Pouliot) so if they stay healthy I don't see many problems there. Fleury is a $5.75M cap hit but he's not the problem and a younger cheaper alternative won't help. Trading Neal I think was an underrated move.
Penguins had some bad injuries but they should try to offload Dupuis (36) and Kunitz (35) soon. They have some good young defencemen (Maata and Pouliot) so if they stay healthy I don't see many problems there. Fleury is a $5.75M cap hit but he's not the problem and a younger cheaper alternative won't help. Trading Neal I think was an underrated move.
ProfessorMoran
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Toronto is Canada.
Coldnoodle
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Pittsburgh needs talented wingers badly.
Only guys they've drafted of notoriety up front are Malkin, Crosby and Bennett.
shame TvR got hurt, he looked really promising early in the year
would be a BIG help right now
Wait until tomorrow when the Babcock press conference is live steamed to your phone and you can't turn it off.
The bad drafting and roster moves aren't about to stop, either!
ProfessorMoran
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I shall watch it!Wait until tomorrow when the Babcock press conference is live steamed to your phone and you can't turn it off.
YOU had specified local, dude. Go back in the conversation - you've lost the plot.
Removing myself from this now
I wonder if Rutherford (probably not I guess...) will trade one or more of their B-level defensive prospects for help on the wing, either for another B-level prospect but who is a winger instead or for an established NHL winger or two. Pens lack a lot of picks for the next draft that could be used for depth on the wing.
I don't have a problem with it making national broadcasts, I have a problem with them spending 50%+ of the show sucking his dick and subjecting all non-Leafs fans to it.
They didn't even discuss anything of substance, like how they think he'll use certain players or what kind of immediate impact he'll make on the team. That 15 minutes was literally spent discussing how fucking awesome the Cock is.
SuperSonic1305
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Tampa needs to win the cup so Stamkos won't feel bad about leaving them.
FUBAR McDangles
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Not exactly sure. Re-signed my guys to decent contracts, traded away a few cap dumps, and made some moves.
But the salary cap never goes up. And sometimes I swear it goes down.
Right now I'm ~3 million over the cap and trading a 3m dollar player for an AHLer reduces my cap hit by 1 million. The math doesn't add up or I'm an idiot. Probably the latter. Even so it ticks me off. I put Vanek, Koivu, Pominville all on the trade block and never get offers. Ridiculous.
I'll have to start over and see how it goes. I assembled quite a group of prospects and was hoping to see how they'd go. Colin White, Jeremy Bracco, Jordan Greenway, Radek Faksa, and a handful of others I can't think of.
McDavid, btw, only scores 23 points in 73 games his rookie season according to EHM. BUST
Given he's an Oiler that seems prescient
You're the one that's confused. I mentioned local, he said it was national and I replied that it would be national news regardless of where Babcock signed. You've actually lost the plot not me.
SuperSonic1305
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If he can get the Leafs deep into the playoffs he will deserve every penny.
The hiring being national news was never my point. Straight from the start I mentioned the hyping and milking of the hiring, THAT being national news is what I'm slamming the media for.