WhiskerFrisker
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Damn, maybe it's time to take a break from gaming then?
Raise the flame shield: Your "controversial" gaming opinion.
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Persona 4, while being a good game, I don't get why everyone says it is one of the best games ever. Terrible story and boring battle system. Characters are good, but it is annoying how everyone adore the MC, something that didn't happen in Persona 3.
I'm always baffled when people say it is the best game the Vita has.
Edit: also adding how disappointed I am when people accept the "Atlus tax". Let's see if people can justify the $70 price tag for Persona 5.
I'm always baffled when people say it is the best game the Vita has.
Edit: also adding how disappointed I am when people accept the "Atlus tax". Let's see if people can justify the $70 price tag for Persona 5.
.....People generally don't spend much time sub-60 but right now it's 5 sub-60 crafting mats and 5 crafting mats at 61-70.
There's 4 tiers of salvage material, normal magic rare and legendary. You generally get them by salvaging the correspondent piece of gear.
There's also a drop item (Death's Breath or Demonic Essence) whose droprate depends on the difficulty level you're playing at, normal master torment etc.
It's a very simple system.
Yeah, besides Bloodbourne, the ps4 is pretty disappointing for me so far too.
Most mario games are too boring for me and Persona 2(both of them) were the only good Persona games while the rest is friendship/wife trash with average gameplay and mediocre/remix-fest music.
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Deleted member 471617
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Just want to respond to a few tidbits of what you posted -
1 - Subscription based multi-player
Microsoft did it first with Xbox 360, still charges $10 more and the "free" games have been worse overall. Really don't see how anyone can complain about this as it was easily expected. Personally, I don't play online (single player gamer here) and think that both aren't worth the money but to bash Sony for copying what Microsoft did eight years earlier isn't fair. If anything, it's Microsoft who should get bashed because they started this process by charging consumers to play online and based on it's success, everyone knew that Sony would copy it. Business wise, it would have been a horrible business decision not to copy Microsoft and charge PS4 gamers to play online.
2 - PSN is still fucking terrible compared to PC services to boot
PSN isn't great and the interface is bad but Xbox One's interface is by far worse and what does PC have to do with PS4 vs Xbox One?
3 - The tech-at-time of release is weaker than any major PS system to date
Unless im completely misunderstanding this statement, how is PS4 weaker than PS3, PS2 and PSone? Sorry but I simply don't understand this statement at all.
4 - First party exclusives I've played (not played Bloodborne or the Order) have been mediocre at best
While I could go through this game by game for both consoles, the same can be said for Xbox One. The Order: 1886 is a good (8.5/10 imo) game and Bloodborne is said to be excellent (own it, played the tutorial but been busy with work, NFL off-season mock drafts and now The Witcher 3 so it's just sitting there) and the best exclusive between both consoles. In the end though, it's all about your own personal preference.
I purchased an Xbox One Halo: MCC console bundle on April 11th for $360 ($10 more gave me a second controller) and I ended up selling it for a total of $330 on May 22nd simply because there's nothing for me personally until Quantum Break and Scalebound which are both about a year or more away. Purchased Ryse, made it to chapter III and was actually enjoying the game (executions were great!!!) but the controller vibrating the entire time was something that I couldn't deal with and despite Xbox One being better than PS4 in regards to system updates, they still haven't given us an on/off option for the controller vibration.
Ori and the Blind Forest was on my list but im not spending more than $10 on any PSN/XBLA/Indie game simply because they're not worth more than that and in time, usually go on sale within a few months. Excellent game from what I have seen and read but not worth buying an Xbox One for. State of Decay which I enjoyed a lot on Xbox 360 was going to be a double dip for me but three years later, still had the same bugs, glitches and problems which I honestly don't see how that's possible but yet, it is.
Rise of the Tomb Raider is the only game this year for me that would have made me keep my Xbox One but it's a timed exclusive and im guessing that SE will make up for that by adding all the DLC that gets released for Xbox One while it's exclusive on the actual disc when the game gets released for PS4.
Quantum Break getting delayed until 2016 was pretty much the end of Xbox One for me until 2016 or later and even then, im worried that implementing a TV show into the game is going to screw up what could be a good game. Scalebound is arguably going to be the Xbox One's best exclusive simply because of who the developer is and the fact that they develop high quality good games.
In the end, both PS4 and Xbox One have been average at best overall in regards to exclusives and quite honestly, Nintendo has them both beat combined. It all comes down to which consoles exclusives are you more interested in? For me, it's Sony's and it's at least two to one.
What Sony did at E3 2013 was smart business. Microsoft pissed off their OWN LOYAL Xbox 360 fanbase with all their stupid restrictions and are still trying desperately to catch up. Do I hail Sony for not copying Microsoft? No but im definitely happy that they didn't copy them in regards to being always online, no used games, DRM, etc. As for a multi-player pay wall, I was expecting that 100% as the majority of gamers have switched from single player off line gaming to multi-player online gaming. It would have been a horrible business decision for Sony not to charge to play online.
For me personally, I must have my PS4. Better third party games, more exclusives that I want to play, exclusive content for games that im going to buy (Batman for example), better controller, no required vibration, slightly better interface and better PSN/Indie games. Overall, it's simply better and unlike Microsoft, Sony didn't lose their top developer and have to be forced to let their number one franchise and IP put into the hands of 343. Seriously, who would you rather have? 343 or Bungie developing Halo? I have no interest in Halo whatsoever and even I think that franchise is going downhill because of who's developing it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Rise of the Tomb Raider outsells Halo 5 especially after the Halo: MCC clusterfuck.
Sorry for the long reply.
SatelliteOfLove
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If I had one wish, it would be that all quest-driven leveling in MMOs was removed for rote grinding of mobs as 90% of players waste developers' time and money neurotically devouring the well-written dialogue, varied gameplay making meaningless the boon that quest-based leveling gave them, all to stand around bored at end-game.
flaxknuckles
Member
Nah, PC still has plenty life in it
You didn't read his spoilered out bit did you? He wasn't saying Xbox One was better, the opposite actually.
I still play a lot of games, not from this gen.
Bashing isn't mutually exclusive. You can say MS sucks for introducing it, and Sony sucks for following suit. They can both be blamed.
PC is also a completely valid decision when choosing a gaming platform. It's not just PS4 vs XONE. When compared to PC, it's reasonable to call PS services bad.
I believe the poster means "Compared to the relative power increase for it's time of release, the PS4 is the least impressive." As in the PS1 was a large margin ahead of the time at release. Same for PS2 and PS3, is what they're saying. I don't know that I agree with the PS2, but the PS1 and PS3 were pretty impressive at the time.
Dr. Buni
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I know the comparison of Splatoon to moba got a lot of flak, but after putting over 20 hours on the game, it definitely have the moba feeling.
statham
Member
in all seriousness, what system did you play last gen and why do you think there is no reason to own a XBO. can you please expand on your comment. I do like the statham comment and feeds into my huge ego, so thank you.
Vbrasa
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I actually like playing games like Grand Theft Auto, Watch_Dogs, and Saints Row while driving legally, (stopping at all red lights and stop signs, not hitting people, following the law.) I look at it as the content of the game (breaking the law) the main character can do it begrudgingly, and just want to be a normal person.
I call this mode of playing "Dad Mode", and always have the characters wearing green sweaters and jeans.
I'm weird like that, I guess.
I call this mode of playing "Dad Mode", and always have the characters wearing green sweaters and jeans.
I'm weird like that, I guess.
Lion Heart
Banned
This post is pretty terrible. First, what does being the console leader have to do with expectations? Even if it were the "worst" leader (its not, the Wii will always hold that title), how is that relevant to its competition. Worst leader is so funny to me considering its 2 years old.
Not sure why you went on that diatribe and then essentially agreed with me in the spoiler. I guess Sonys success has really gotten to some people.
RetrospectiveLamb
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FFX-2 is a great game, and has a very engaging fun battle system!
Lion Heart
Banned
I owned both the PS3 and 360, I don't see how my opinion on which console is better is relevant though, I'm looking at it from a consumer market stand point and trying to put myself in the general customers shoes. The vast majority of people only own one gaming box, they go to the store, have both next to each other and make a choice. Generally speaking, the PS4 is the same price/was cheaper, performs better, has pretty much the same games but with a more deep first party stable and you get more for your online subscription. How that only leads to a 2:1 sales ratio surprises me.
Last gen was at least a mixed bag, the 360 had the better online service but at a cost, had better performing multiplats but way less exclusives. Tic for tac.
ShyGuy0504
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MH4U looks good and I loved MH3U. But I'm not going to play it because it's only available on the 3DS.
I played MH3U on the Wii U and loved it. I can't imagine how uncomfortable it would be to play a game like that for many hours on the 3DS.
So as far as I'm concerned it isn't worth playing unless it's ported to something else.
Not really sure if that counts as a controversial opinion but there it is.
I played MH3U on the Wii U and loved it. I can't imagine how uncomfortable it would be to play a game like that for many hours on the 3DS.
So as far as I'm concerned it isn't worth playing unless it's ported to something else.
Not really sure if that counts as a controversial opinion but there it is.
Omega Kirby
Member
This gen still sucks
Metroid prime one is the worst of three, super overrated.
Sins and punishments star successor is the apex of rail shooters
Metroid prime one is the worst of three, super overrated.
Sins and punishments star successor is the apex of rail shooters
Dr. Buni
Member
It plays fine on the 3DS, since it has target lock (which is far superior than controlling the camera with a second stick). There is absolutely nothing uncomfortable about it.
That said, I would have liked to play it on the Wii U too.
weekend_warrior
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LUFTRAUSER
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Here's an actual controversial opinion: Autistic people are ruining online multiplayer games. When three or more people with that same fucking monotone lisp get on the mics, I quit.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
I don't see what's so great about FF XII that people want it remastered.
I still put Insomniac Games a little bit above Naughty Dog. B/C they didn't put Ratchet on the shelve like ND did Jak and Daxter. (even though Sony owns the IP's)
I still put Insomniac Games a little bit above Naughty Dog. B/C they didn't put Ratchet on the shelve like ND did Jak and Daxter. (even though Sony owns the IP's)
Brawl and Smash 4 are terrible games.
Like honestly, gameplay wise I think they are just poor. The physics are absolute garbage. Lack of momentum when i jump is one example. It blows my mind that this was taken out. Defensive play is rewarded too much. In a game where the goal is to fight and kill the other opponent, essentially rewarding a person for not attempting to do this and instead wait for the other person to isnt good design. I tried to like them, but in the end I just gave up. Production wise they are impressive sure. But in terms of the actual game design it leaves a lot to be desired.
Smash 64 and Melee however are fantastic, and I can still play them and have a blast. You feel in danger when you are off the platform. Recovering in the newer games is pretty much certain, whereas in the older ones you're constantly wondering if you'll make it. The edge-gaurd game is just so much fun. Characters have momentum. The battle flows. People die easier. Its possible to gimp someone and kill them on low percentages. Theres a good balance of offense and defense (in melees case. Perhaps 64 is a little too offensive but thats still more fun than a defense based game)
I could go on forever about the things they do right. They just had something about their formula that made them satisfying to play.
The newer games might have more content but that honestly means nothing to me because they arent fun to play. Ill take 12 fighters, a few stages and fun gameplay over 50 fighters, a multitude of stages and poor gameplay.
Like honestly, gameplay wise I think they are just poor. The physics are absolute garbage. Lack of momentum when i jump is one example. It blows my mind that this was taken out. Defensive play is rewarded too much. In a game where the goal is to fight and kill the other opponent, essentially rewarding a person for not attempting to do this and instead wait for the other person to isnt good design. I tried to like them, but in the end I just gave up. Production wise they are impressive sure. But in terms of the actual game design it leaves a lot to be desired.
Smash 64 and Melee however are fantastic, and I can still play them and have a blast. You feel in danger when you are off the platform. Recovering in the newer games is pretty much certain, whereas in the older ones you're constantly wondering if you'll make it. The edge-gaurd game is just so much fun. Characters have momentum. The battle flows. People die easier. Its possible to gimp someone and kill them on low percentages. Theres a good balance of offense and defense (in melees case. Perhaps 64 is a little too offensive but thats still more fun than a defense based game)
I could go on forever about the things they do right. They just had something about their formula that made them satisfying to play.
The newer games might have more content but that honestly means nothing to me because they arent fun to play. Ill take 12 fighters, a few stages and fun gameplay over 50 fighters, a multitude of stages and poor gameplay.
Funyarinpa
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A few months ago there was a Forbes article about gamers being boring which I largely agreed with. Instead of celebrating the nintendo and Ms being disrupters in their own way (WiiU with the touch screen gamepad and Xbox's Kinect and home entertainment focus) we have instead gone for another iteration of Sony's conservative consoles which brings nothing new to the table except some better hardware and a long-overdue update to their controller design.
Also, I know that technically isn't 'my opinion' but I like it
Something being different does not automatically make it a good thing. Kinect, from my experience, was just straight-up bad.
TastyOreoFriend
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I agree with the bolded, but "well written dialogue" is something I can't co-sign with. Too many MMOs today are overly verbose about the simplest quests for no good reason, and more often than naught the dialogue is just plain boring/shit. Sometimes its just best to give out information in a timely, efficient manner. MMOs by their nature are grindy as shit anyway and I'd like to get something done if I don't have 6+ hours to play. I don't need to every NPC to give out an entire 5 chapter summary on how much he hates the dragon I need to kill at a lake-I just need him to give me the quest marker so I can go kill the fucking thing.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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A few months ago there was a Forbes article about gamers being boring which I largely agreed with. Instead of celebrating the nintendo and Ms being disrupters in their own way (WiiU with the touch screen gamepad and Xbox's Kinect and home entertainment focus) we have instead gone for another iteration of Sony's conservative consoles which brings nothing new to the table except some better hardware and a long-overdue update to their controller design.
Also, I know that technically isn't 'my opinion' but I like it
Wii U did a very poor job of asserting itself as something different than a giant DS and Xbox One had the misfortune of being attached to that terrible DRM plan during its introduction. When you're trying to kick off a dynamic shift you need to work hard to make a case for yourself so given how Nintendo and MS played their hands it's not at all surprising that Sony's conservative approach caught more appeal.
Lion Heart
Banned
360 first half of gen, PS3 second as I give my bro the Xbox.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Well, it was more about putting respect to that lip service for "more and better leveling experience" and the amount of work that goes into those versus how it shakes out when that level of diversity is acquired; not to mention whether or not a company should bother trying for "well-written".
That new Destiny patch and Wildstar going F2P and the talk surrounding those two games has it back in mind to force the concept of loss back into mind again.
Roberto Larcos
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Fair. This is my first dungeon crawler, so it's all new to me.
Roberto Larcos
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A few months ago there was a Forbes article about gamers being boring which I largely agreed with. Instead of celebrating the nintendo and Ms being disrupters in their own way (WiiU with the touch screen gamepad and Xbox's Kinect and home entertainment focus) we have instead gone for another iteration of Sony's conservative consoles which brings nothing new to the table except some better hardware and a long-overdue update to their controller design.
Also, I know that technically isn't 'my opinion' but I like it
I agree with much of this. 'Gamers' claim to want new things, but I see this being the downfall of VR as well. It'll become cool to hate on, because it's new. Lots of YouTube motion sickness videos, memes, all that shit. And then, in 10 years when VR never took off and Sony / Microsoft / Nintendo aren't taking it seriously, we'll see a bunch of those same people reminisce about how awesome VR was, and a load of 'LTTP: Project Morpheus - This thing is awesome!'. So predictable. So depressing.
Wii U and Xbox One may have done a poor job at asserting themselves, so let's compare it to one that did a far better job, the Nintendo Wii. While the Wii was a critical and commercial success, core 'gamers' never embraced it. Mocked it, sure. Lambasted it, definitely. But never truly embraced it. Nintendo did work hard to make a case for the Wii, clearly a good enough case that the console sold a ridiculous number of units - but all gamers did was clamour for a second failing, a second Gamecube. Even now, people on GAF regularly ask for Nintendo to make a straightforward console, instead of even trying to break the mould. That's sad.
A few months ago there was a Forbes article about gamers being boring which I largely agreed with. Instead of celebrating the nintendo and Ms being disrupters in their own way (WiiU with the touch screen gamepad and Xbox's Kinect and home entertainment focus) we have instead gone for another iteration of Sony's conservative consoles which brings nothing new to the table except some better hardware and a long-overdue update to their controller design.
Also, I know that technically isn't 'my opinion' but I like it
I read that article and it was so fucking poorly written that it was borderline offensive.
Keep in mind that Microsoft is to blame for the downfall of the Kinect, just like Nintendo is to blame that the Wii U never took off.
MS tried to push Kinect through shitty shovelware (gotta get those mainstream people) and ridiculous scripted demos, while Nintendo did an incredibly poor job conveying what the Wii U even is. It has nothing to do with gamers being boring.
Also, most people would rather play a traditional game with a controller than with some new gimmicky control scheme that's either unresponsive or just flat out doesn't work as it should.
Historically, the generation leader aside has done something previous consoles couldn't, and provided us with great new experiences to boot. For all the hate the Wii gets, it gave us some of the best games of last generation, and introduced millions to the hobby. It's an anomaly, if nothing else.
Compared to the NES/SNES/PS1/PS2, the PS4 has barely any exclusives in terms of quantity, and in terms of quality, I expect Bloodborne to be the major outlier there. I hate to dig out the picture, but Xmas 2014 vs Xmas 2001 in what makes a console relevant to me - exclusives.
http://images.pushsquare.com/news/2...ffering_will_forever_rule_the_roost/large.jpg
Compare that lot to LBP3 and Driveclub. Or compare it this year to any holiday lineup on any console, not just the PS4... It's terrible.
Add to that the PS4 doesn't bring much new to the table (nothing on the scale of built in HDDs & unified accounts), the hardware is sold at a cost (less hardware for your money than last gen), and multiplayer (despite not improving) is now charged, then it's pretty clear why I'd be disappointed by the PS4. I really don't know how it's continuing to break sales records, to be honest.
El_Cinefilo
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ok..
- Dragon Age was a buggy mess that deserved all the shit Unity got and was the most overrated game of the year (not a terrible game, just overrated)
- Speaking of which, Assassin's Creed: Unity was the best Assassin's game since Brotherhood
- Sony should let Killzone die, it will never be the Halo level success they want and if they want a fps to do that I'd rather they try to reboot Resistance
- I've got Arkham Knight pre-ordered off the back of Asylum & City but the trailers are doing nothing for me so far.
-Halo Single player is and always has been crap
-I "don't get" Nintendo. I think they're more interested in selling toys and accessories than games and consoles. most of their franchises are overrated and a lot of their business practises are questionable.
-Sony don't deserve their sizeable lead this generation, they were handed it by an incompetent Microsoft who actually seem to be putting an effort in since launch.
- Dragon Age was a buggy mess that deserved all the shit Unity got and was the most overrated game of the year (not a terrible game, just overrated)
- Speaking of which, Assassin's Creed: Unity was the best Assassin's game since Brotherhood
- Sony should let Killzone die, it will never be the Halo level success they want and if they want a fps to do that I'd rather they try to reboot Resistance
- I've got Arkham Knight pre-ordered off the back of Asylum & City but the trailers are doing nothing for me so far.
-Halo Single player is and always has been crap
-I "don't get" Nintendo. I think they're more interested in selling toys and accessories than games and consoles. most of their franchises are overrated and a lot of their business practises are questionable.
-Sony don't deserve their sizeable lead this generation, they were handed it by an incompetent Microsoft who actually seem to be putting an effort in since launch.
I'd say VR is more akin to 3D TVs.
I don't think it will ever take off like a lot of people expect. The non-social nature of it makes its very difficult to show off to outsiders and will limit its growth. With a Wii, people could stand on the side watching and it made sense. With VR, people will need to put on the headset to understand. I don't know how stores will do demo units considering how often you have pink eye outbreaks during shows like PAX.
In addition, the current consoles don't have the horsepower to really make it work well with the graphics of today.
I also don't think anyone has come up with a game that justifies needing the VR headset.
At best, I think it'll do a Kinect: Sell great, have shit support, and then collapse as it's rejected for just being more cumbersome and an impediment to the experience.
I would like to add to this, but regarding the other side. Although I'm not excusing any comment that anyone made during gamergate, it seemed to me that the majority of toxic statements and "shocking" threats i saw ("death threats" or otherwise) were standard nonsense online teenager troll fare, blown out of proportion because of the person they were targeting and the ongoing situation she was involved in.
If I took everything people said to me online during vanilla sf4 seriously I would still be a nervous wreck. It's easy to to take online troll nonsense like "i'm gonna find out where u live and fuck u 2 death!!!!!!" and translate it in an article as a serious death threat incorporating sexual assault and home invasion. People just love clickbait headlines and beating a dead horse.
Wait, what? Is this some kind of VR related disease? o_0
Pink Eye (properly named Conjunctivitis) is an eye infection. It's been spreading at PAX due to the display units not being properly cleaned and sanitized.
It's kind of inevitable when you have a bunch of people with unknown hygiene habits using a device that practically touches your eye.
... Except for the Sony part.
Edit : Also, I don't get jrpgs. I never have, and probably never will.
I agree with all these.
Lowlander2
Banned
Alright, here's one; I think Hatred should be allowed to be talked about on GAF in any capacity. It's a game like any other, and however discussions of it arise, they should be allowed to rise.
I personally think it looks like an obvious ploy for attention, but apparently this is also a minority opinion.
I personally think it looks like an obvious ploy for attention, but apparently this is also a minority opinion.
Oh, it's Conjunctivitis. Thanks for the explanation. For some reason I pictured people getting red eyes and nosebleeds from VR like the pilots in Pacific Rim lol
To be honest, I think it's not allowed because of the shitshow threads involving it will become. I agree that its just baiting controversy for an otherwise probably mediocre game.
I don't really have a problem with it being banned because after watching gameplay and the ending on youtube, it looks to be a mediocre game with shit writing.