rokkerkory
Member
Exactly. I won't.
That's why I said for PSNow users that already own games, there should be a way for PSNow to know I already bought the game so no need to repay for it.
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Exactly. I won't.
That's why I said for PSNow users that already own games, there should be a way for PSNow to know I already bought the game so no need to repay for it.
babyghost853
Member
So you think trying to emulate cell on the ps4 wouldn't? I'd wager that the games would run even worst.
KillerSloth
Banned
Yeah He should have emphasized this in the interview, it's an easy message to deliver.
It's comprehensive and solid EMU? Didn't they already say it was a limited roll out with more to be added over time.
Edit: http://www.xbox.com/en-us/xbox-one/backward-compatibility
100 by fall.
Sounds exactly like their strategy with 360 BC.
xplicitone
Member
It all depends. I used it quite a bit for ps3 to play older games. I also use my 360 and ps3 today somewhat often to play my older games. If it wasn't for Destiny I'd play my ps3/xbox360 more than ps4/one.
Maybe its got to do with the fact that Now hasn't launched yet in Europe.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The bandwith to stream costs money. That's not what the service is for. If you own a game already then play it, why would you need PSnow anyway?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
360 bc isn't just there to upgrade players to the new console. It's adding a fuck ton of value to the X1, by letting you carry your games over!!
In a market where digital sales and offerings are growing by leaps and bounds it's foolish to lock down to one platform! I think if this makes a nice difference for Microsoft's X1 sales, and third parties enjoy renewed sales on older titles, Sony will change their tune. We can only hope!
In a market where digital sales and offerings are growing by leaps and bounds it's foolish to lock down to one platform! I think if this makes a nice difference for Microsoft's X1 sales, and third parties enjoy renewed sales on older titles, Sony will change their tune. We can only hope!
I don't think that's fair. They never hinted, suggested, implied that the PS4 would have backwards compatibility. It wasn't part of their strategy, it still isn't part of their strategy.
what awful reasoning lol
I really can't believe the downplaying BC is receiving. it's a good thing. it's an objectively good thing. don't care? sweeeeeet, personal preference is a beautiful thing. the downplaying though, cmon guys. this was a great announcement for gamers.
RedAssedApe
Banned
good guy ms. if only...
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Nintendo made the WII U backwards compatible with the Wii and gue# what? It still wasn't selling like crazy because of it. It didn't set the world on fire, it wasn't a major reason why it was even selling and majority of the games people play on it are newer games.
Yes backwards compatibility is awesome as an option to have, but when an overwhelming majority don't use it an a very small minority base uses it, financially it makes no sense. They can't just spend crazy money on the feature, do all the same talks with publishers again to allow it and just be like here you go and no one uses it. It's a waste of time for them and it's still great that Microsoft has done it
But it's clear they only did it to convert what isn't there and this wouldn't be the case if they had the user base needed for something like this to see the light of day.
Yes backwards compatibility is awesome as an option to have, but when an overwhelming majority don't use it an a very small minority base uses it, financially it makes no sense. They can't just spend crazy money on the feature, do all the same talks with publishers again to allow it and just be like here you go and no one uses it. It's a waste of time for them and it's still great that Microsoft has done it
But it's clear they only did it to convert what isn't there and this wouldn't be the case if they had the user base needed for something like this to see the light of day.
Yeah, you should be able to insert your Uncharted 3 disc into your TV!
TerryWogan
Member
I didn't say it's easy, mate. I'm not a techie. Everything I actually said is stone cold fact. Don't put words in my mouth on top.
It is full emulation. The binaries are not recompiled. What they (MS) do is simply package the game(s) you own on their servers with the 360 emulation bundled.
The games they offer now are just first party published games for those in the preview, but I see no reason at all why it can't expand quickly.
Yep. And I just can't go back and play games that haven't aged well. I try, but nostalgia can only take me so far. Seeing the 360 version of Mass Effect in action, ew.
I guess it's useful if you have a big collection of games and you don't hang on to old hardware, but outside of that it's a pretty overrated feature.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Just like DLNA, which Sony did deliver. I care nothing about either and I think I am in the majority.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Developers definitely rather remaster or make new games than to support BC.
Their games are their assets, and they want to control how they make money from it.
Also, last gen has no longevity in terms of development. No one is seriously making PS3 AAA titles, and PS4 is just more easier to make games for in comparison. BC is to support a platforms longevity, and there is no need here as there was for PS1 to PS2 and PS2 to PS3.
Their games are their assets, and they want to control how they make money from it.
Also, last gen has no longevity in terms of development. No one is seriously making PS3 AAA titles, and PS4 is just more easier to make games for in comparison. BC is to support a platforms longevity, and there is no need here as there was for PS1 to PS2 and PS2 to PS3.
Sony can't change their tune. It's not possible.
From what I understand, MS is basically recompiling games from 360 to One, hence why you have to redownload the game.
PS3 to PS4 ports are known to be very difficult- ask Neil Druckmann. The Cell inhibits any sort of software emulation from happening on the PS4's current hardware, and recompiling games would take far too much work.
For the record, I would use BC, but really only for a handful of games. Cheap remasters are filling the gaps quite nicely.
rokkerkory
Member
Wouldn't the subscription costs cover the costs? So let's say PSNow isn't the BC solution for PS4.
What could be then?
Thats b/c it is a joke as an alternative
sturgboski
Member
That seems a bit naive. The PS3 was way more expensive than the competition and was selling poorly. Part of the way to get the cost down was to pair down and eventually drop the backwards compatibility. Could it be noone cared BECAUSE the PS3 was able to hit a mass market price?
Also, if I recall there was backlash. I mean if there was backlash removing other OS there definitely bad to be when removing BC.
Edit:
Here's the other thing: if BC was not worth it, why would Sony spend millions purchasing Gaikai and improving those technologies to create PS Now if they didn't think it was worth it. Sony is charging a fee per rental or flat monhtly fee for BC. If BC was a non important feature, why would Sony invest in a revenue stream specifically around streaming BC?
Ninja Scooter
Member
If you are renting games you already own then something is garbage and it's not psnow
No. I have been able to play games I bought digitally on 360 on my XB1.
What if a person bought it digitally and wanted to replay it but sold that console? They have to rent it.
KillerSloth
Banned
That doesn't change what the service actually is.
Can we all just agree that PSNow is a bad idea ?
I get that it's not just BC. Its terrible though. It's going to fail, and the resources blown on it could/should have been used on something more useful. Pay per play in your own home, on your own hardware is dumb beyond belief.
I get that it's not just BC. Its terrible though. It's going to fail, and the resources blown on it could/should have been used on something more useful. Pay per play in your own home, on your own hardware is dumb beyond belief.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Stallion Dan
Member
I played loads of ps1 games on my ps3. Would have done PS2 if I could.
I need this on PS4, I can't keep so many console hooked up and taking up room.
I need this on PS4, I can't keep so many console hooked up and taking up room.
Awful or not, that reasoning is what the mass market thinks about BC. It's getting some core gamers excited, but it's not going to move consoles in large numbers.
benicillin
Banned
Backwards compatibility is great and I'm happy that it's on XB1 that's a great catch for them, but I can sympathize with others who aren't so jazzed since there are a lot of things I would rather a company dedicate time and resources to that wasn't getting old games to work. I can recognize it's a niche feature that doesn't really mean a whole lot for a large portion of the audience even if it's one that I personally appreciate.
Spehornoob
Member
I can understand the lack of PS3 emulation due to the complex architecture of the PS3 making it difficult to emulate.
I don't see any reason why we can't have PS1/PS2 emulation though.
I don't see any reason why we can't have PS1/PS2 emulation though.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
It's called being practical not downplaying.
Backwards compatibility is great.
Good fine
But the reality using numbers, seeing the actual results and using research to come to a financial decision
It's not worth it. It's a way to convert those from an older system to a new one, but in the end, as the generation grows, the feature serves no purpose. Unless you truly need to play your older games.
Because its not one.
Who is going to pay for the servers that Sony runs, the electricity, the internet connectivity..etc.
I own Friends on Blu-ray, why won't Netflix/Apple/Amazon/etc let me stream it for free?
KillerSloth
Banned
Yep, anyone who thinks this is a big deal or some kind of hr well LOL.
Doesn't sound like it. Full EMU on a system which doesn't completely stomp the EMU system is unlikely. They do mention you need to download a chunk of data from their servers.
XB is much more powerful than the 360 but not enough for flawless EMU (enthusiasts guess). It took a long while for PC's to EMU PS2's at full frame rate and those stomped the specs of the PS2 by a lot more than the 360->XB1 at the time.
Well I would be pretty angry if I bought a new pc and couldnt play my old games anymore for example even though thats not the same thing. Its a nice thing of MS to do for people that dont want to keep their old consoles around.
Well some blurays have codes for digital download of the movie I think? But thats obviously not streaming
That's exactly what it is. Spencer said so himself.
lol, really? you're going to use the fucking Wii U as an example? I know you cracked a smile, at least, before you posted that.
and just to use your awful logic the DS was the best selling console of all time and it had BC. it sold like crazy. it set the world on fire. BC must be a console-defining feature, right?
I tend to like having access to things I spent money on in the ecosystem that I bought them in, yes
Ninja Scooter
Member
what subscription costs?
There likely isn't going to be an easy all in one solution to BC for PS4. The more time goes on and the more PS4's library grows the less of a problem it becomes for Sony so I would not expect much movement on this front from them. Would it be awesome if I could put a PS3 or PS2 disc in my PS4 and play the games natively? Sure. But looking at everything do I understand why they wouldn't do it? Sure. The games you own, whether on PS3 or PS2 or whatever, still work on the platforms they were intended for. If replaying them means that much to you you could always just keep the original hardware.
That's discounting the birth of digital downloads from last gen. You had to owe the physical media for the PS3 to be BC which understandably dropped use.
benicillin
Banned
I can play PS3 games on my television without any console hooked up up to it at all. Phones can do the same. It's not really about streaming PS3 games to your PS3.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Nope. Not even close.
Others have have said it much more eloquently than I, but they're two completely different things.
People just don't understand.....
Ms announce bc because they saw x360 owners moving to ps4. they want these gamer so the said they started working on bc last year to get current 360 owner a good reason to upgrade to xbone over ps4.
Is makes no sense for Sony to do the same because ps3 owner are already moving to ps4. The carrot for hardcore ps3 owners is all the free Ps+ ps4 games they already have.
Ms announce bc because they saw x360 owners moving to ps4. they want these gamer so the said they started working on bc last year to get current 360 owner a good reason to upgrade to xbone over ps4.
Is makes no sense for Sony to do the same because ps3 owner are already moving to ps4. The carrot for hardcore ps3 owners is all the free Ps+ ps4 games they already have.
It's not just playing your old games, it's about playing new games that aren't on next gen either.
Games with Gold? MS can continue offering the indies it has on XB1 while offering AAA retails on 360, but make those 360 BC as part of the deal to go on GWG. That would give X1 AAA retails and indies each month, that's a big sell. The X1 GWG could become what PS+ was in its peak years. It'll allow MS to offer better GWG's on X1 without changing much, which of course is good for customers (unless you really like pool nation...)
Sales? There's a ton of good games out there that will go on sale for cheap that people won't have played, now they'll be able to pick them up and give them a try.
It's not just about playing your old games, while that is great and probably won't be used by a lot of people, those two things are quite big aswell and will have a larger appeal.
Games with Gold? MS can continue offering the indies it has on XB1 while offering AAA retails on 360, but make those 360 BC as part of the deal to go on GWG. That would give X1 AAA retails and indies each month, that's a big sell. The X1 GWG could become what PS+ was in its peak years. It'll allow MS to offer better GWG's on X1 without changing much, which of course is good for customers (unless you really like pool nation...)
Sales? There's a ton of good games out there that will go on sale for cheap that people won't have played, now they'll be able to pick them up and give them a try.
It's not just about playing your old games, while that is great and probably won't be used by a lot of people, those two things are quite big aswell and will have a larger appeal.