MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility

A super small % of people will actually use this. Its a bullet point for Microsoft and a talking point for fanboys in console war threads.

I'd like to see microsoft at least try to do something that advances gaming. That's what I want to see.
 
SocksAndShoes said:
...On a wide variety of devices, without owning the game beforehand.

These comparisons are terrible at best and knowingly disingenuous and derailing at worst.
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You say without owing the games beforehand, I say forcing you to pay repeatedly for games you may already own.
 
Inuhanyou said:
A good reply. Gaikai is to expand their gaming circle, not to 'fix' BC. If people want PS3 games they'll buy a PS3. BC isn't really that important in my eyes. although its a nice feature to have, i would not sacrifice anything else for very spotty case by case basis software emulation, especially considering how 360s and PS3's are plentiful.

Of course this outcome is all because they knew PS3 would be a dead end solution for emulation for PS4, so they have to move on.

That being said, PS2 and PS1 i think should be doable sometime in the future, so i hope they take that into account eventually.
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Posts like yours are the best and the worst all at once, since you very obviously didn't pay any attention to what the Xbone BC solution actually is.
 
It's very obvious that between PS Now and Remasters that Sony doesn't really want to go down this road.

It's really unbelievable when you consider how large of a presence Sony had on the digital front, especially late last gen. Then poof! All gone. Start over.

I'm not sure how big the Xbox One BC will actually get... if it'll remain a relatively small list, if publishers will bite, etc.. but it really does appear to be a "gamers first" mentality that they were lacking a few years ago. Kudos to them.
 
KillerSloth said:
Can you play Xbox games on TV's with MS BC? PS NOw is a platform for playing games on multiple devices...without a console. They launched it on Ps4 first yes, but it's not for BC alone. It;s a heck of a lot more.
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Of course it is not for BC or PS4 alone, but it is the BC 'solution' for PS4.
 
For me backwards compatibility is something I really want to have regardless if I use it much. I just like knowing that I can do it if I want to.
 
Lady Gaia said:
Sony has plenty of experience shipping BC consoles, and doubtless they have statistics to back up their belief. Given that I still have a 360 connected I can tell you exactly how many titles I've played on it lately: one, and it's one they've already said wont be supported (Rock Band 3.) Likewise I played a grand total of two PS1 titles on PS2 (MGS and FFVII) after not owning the original Playstation. Why would I jump for joy at the presence of BC? It's a nice feature, but of limited value and even less meaningful when it isn't available right at the start of a generation.
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More games is the reason. Cheap games. Most I have never played. Fuck yeah I am jumping for joy. We like games.
 
Archaix said:
It is incredibly limited right now. That doesn't change the fact that Playstation Now is a service which provides the option to play games from old Playstation Systems, nor does it change the mental gymnastics and blind fanboyism required to say that isn't a backwards compatibility service right now, regardless of what other devices it can be used on.

People are making the argument of "NOBODY PLAYS OLD GAMES! PLAYSTATION NOW IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S PLAYING OLD GAMES!"
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No one is arguing that what you are playing is different, the argument is PSNow isnt a BC solution, which its not. Its a Solution to bring Playstation games (Old, and soon to be new) to platforms other than your traditional consoles
 
KillerSloth said:
Point? That's just the beginning. They have stated it's coming to tablets, phones...they are not investing in this really for PS4 BC.
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Donny said:
which will be expanded to other devices in the future.....
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Exactly my point, guys. PS Now definitely has the potential to be something amazing.

But as of right now, in present time, it's primary use is for PS3 backwards compatibility.

When it becomes something more than that, people will take notice.
 
sangreal said:
SMB is the exception to saves -- it is listed in the known issues
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So, from what I gather, it's pretty much how PS Now handles the PS3 XMB on PS4.

Also, thanks for letting me know about the SMB thing, I'll let him know that he'll have to start over.
 
Avatar1 said:
A super small % of people will actually use this. Its a bullet point for Microsoft and a talking point for fanboys in console war threads.

I'd like to see microsoft at least try to do something that advances gaming. That's what I want to see.
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I don't think you should be allowed to muse about other fanboys if you yourself are a fanboy.
 
KillerSloth said:
Except ps now is not about that..like at all. PS3 games was just a starting point, it is a totally new platform that will not just be old games and will play games on many devices without a console. PS now is a heck of a lot more, only downplaying I see is people downplaying ps now and what its purpose is.



Nope, been explained dozen times already.
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Yeah people are doing that but to be fair you are downplaying X1 BC. Actually, seeing you around you seem to have a negative view of MS in general and a pretty positive view of Sony so maybe you can't really see that you're doing the same thing. Having preferences is cool but this thread is getting beyond talking points and just getting into console war stuff. Again, both approaches bring something to the table.

Shining Sunshine said:
I like more games in the form of new games.
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Fair enough, I like both. Good games are good games. But I already know the majority of gamers feel more like you and less like me.
 
Sony: where is PS NOW FOR UK ?


read the title as

(PlayStation on Xbox) - backwards compatibility
not
Playstation- on Xbox backwards compatibility

and thought Holy Sh
 
Archaix said:
You say without owing the games beforehand, I say forcing you to pay repeatedly for games you may already own.
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If you already own it, you obviously own a PS3.

So you can play it on that. Forcing? Unless they come to your house and smash your PS3 they aren't forcing anything.
 
I don't know, having backwards compatibilities in a new console would be great for potential buyers who own the previous console. Like the DS having GBA compatibilities, Wii U having Wii compability, and the first gen PS3 having full PS2/PSOne compatibility.
 
jaypah said:
Yeah people are doing that but to be fair you are downplaying X1 BC. Actually, seeing you around you seem to have a negative view of MS in general and a pretty positive view of Sony so maybe you can't really see that you're doing the same thing. Having preferences is cool but this thread is getting beyond talking points and just getting into console war stuff. Again, both approaches bring something to the table.
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I agree.

They can both coexist. Comparing one to the other has no effect as it is all personal preference, but there does seem to be a clear disconnect on what each service purpose and people just running around with there own believes rather than facts.
 
Avatar1 said:
A super small % of people will actually use this. Its a bullet point for Microsoft and a talking point for fanboys in console war threads.

I'd like to see microsoft at least try to do something that advances gaming. That's what I want to see.
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1. Let me know who you're fortune teller is.
2. DX12
 
Archaix said:
No of course not. That service which provides nothing other than the ability to play old Playstation games is not at all about playing old Playstation games. How could people not see it clearly?
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Haha exactly. Just like with any other company that gets criticised around here Sony needs to stop talking about what their service can do and show us. So far it's just been a way to play old games via a paid service.
X1 BC is the ability to play games you own or have owned digitally for free. Right now that list is limited but it will expand but what is on there now works great.
I turned on my X1 after the conference and had Viva piñata and geometry wars waiting in my DL list next to Gears Beta. Was a nice surprise.
 
Einbroch said:
If you already own it, you obviously own a PS3.

So you can play it on that. Forcing? Unless they come to your house and smash your PS3 they aren't forcing anything.
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If you own a PS3 game, it means at one point in time you owned a PS3. Possibly not any more. So you have no way to play it
 
luffxan said:
Can someone throw down some reasons why BC is such a huge issue?
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Because I can buy games without having to buy the hardware they are tethered to. I didn't have to buy a PS1 because I have a PS2. I didn't have to buy a Wii or GameCube because I have a Wii U. I didn't have to buy a DS because I have a 3DS. I won't have to buy a 360 when I get an Xbox One. That's four consoles instead of nine, and I already have quite a few more filling up my home. I don't buy new gaming equipment and suddenly stop going back to older games. I'd like to be able to sell off last-gen hardware and keep the games - or simply skip a particular console and catch up on its games in the generation that follows. These are all things that we can take for granted on the PC.

Furthermore, BC isn't limited to just software. When I have friends over to play Wii U, I can just ask them to bring whatever Wii controllers they have laying around. For a similar scenario on PS4/XBO, I would have to buy X new controllers for $60 a pop. Again, this is something that PC gamers can take for granted.

Streaming just isn't an appropriate solution to the BC problem. Even if we pretend that the current infrastructure is capable of delivering a solid streaming experience to a global audience, the inherent caveats of Internet connectivity and the laws of physics still apply.
 
I get the feeling if any other company had announced this it would have been hailed as the greatest thing ever around these parts...
 
Donny said:
It is most definitely not. PS Now is the foundation of the future of the Playstation brand and gaming in general. Cloud gaming.
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Not sure how that addresses what I said. Is there another solution for playing past generations on PS4? I agree that PS Now is more than BC or the PS4 and said as much, but it is the only BC solution on PS4. They've been pushing it as the alternative to BC on the console since they announced the PS4.
 
SocksAndShoes said:
"enough people use the feature for it to matter" =/= enough people use this for Sony to invest money into BC. Those are two completely different things.

Sony is leading the market right now, MS is not. They needed to garner some goodwill and ensure that people with 360s will convert to XB1. That's exactly what this BC announcement is designed to do.
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That isn't really relevant to what I said.

I took issue with his claim that the feature is "rarely used," and the lack of compelling evidence which has been given to defend that notion. If people could buy and play FF7 PS1 classic right now on PS4, it would likely be getting a lot of use.

Also, given that I was specifically referring to PS1 and PS2 support, it is almost certainly not an issue of relative expense, but rather one of priorities.
 
Avatar1 said:
A super small % of people will actually use this. Its a bullet point for Microsoft and a talking point for fanboys in console war threads.

I'd like to see microsoft at least try to do something that advances gaming. That's what I want to see.
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But Sony said a lot of current ps4 fans doesnt have a ps3 previously.

Bc will help these people to buy ps3 games cheaper and easier.
 
Hardly anyone used BC, so we took it away. Please excuse us while we continue to make major bank on PS2 classics, PSNow and remasters.
 
I am itching to get an Xbox One now, I can FINALLY retire my Xbox 360 and play my 150+ digital games on the X1 when I do!


Avatar1 said:
A super small % of people will actually use this. Its a bullet point for Microsoft and a talking point for fanboys in console war threads.

I'd like to see microsoft at least try to do something that advances gaming. That's what I want to see.
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Like Xbox LIVE?
 
ArtHands said:
But Sony said a lot of current ps4 fans doesnt have a ps3 previously.

Bc will help these people to buy ps3 games cheaper and easier.
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Which is consistently my point. A console built with BC in mind has the digital floodgates opened up, and allows old titles to be bought just like new titles. It makes them ALL evergreen
 
PikaZeroX said:
Hardly anyone used BC, so we took it away. Please excuse us while we continue to make major bank on PS2 classics, HD collections and remasters.
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Like mcc gears of war remaster? Come on everyone does them. Again please explain how games made for cell can run on ps4 without major work?
 
Another great outcome of this is I have never played Fallout 3 and will be picking up 4, which comes with a free copy of 3. How can that not be seen as a very good thing?
 
Lady Gaia said:
Sony has plenty of experience shipping BC consoles, and doubtless they have statistics to back up their belief. Given that I still have a 360 connected I can tell you exactly how many titles I've played on it lately: one, and it's one they've already said wont be supported (Rock Band 3.) Likewise I played a grand total of two PS1 titles on PS2 (MGS and FFVII) after not owning the original Playstation. Why would I jump for joy at the presence of BC? It's a nice feature, but of limited value and even less meaningful when it isn't available right at the start of a generation.
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So long as we're being anecdotal, I have 50+ PSone Classics and 20+ PS2 Classics purchased from PSN, many of which I enjoy playing regularly on PS3. I also have about 50 or so retail and download 360 titles, which I also play regularly, and will probably get to also play one day on XBone. As a gamer who buys, keeps and plays older titles, and has several consoles connected to my TV, any space saved and wiring lessened is a plus.

At this point I'm happy with both my PS4 and PS3 staying hooked up, but I wouldn't be lying if I said I was more impressed with Microsoft's philosophy right now, a philosophy Sony seems to be abandoning in favour of an over-ambitious, overpriced subscription service.
 
Avatar1 said:
A super small % of people will actually use this. Its a bullet point for Microsoft and a talking point for fanboys in console war threads.

I'd like to see microsoft at least try to do something that advances gaming. That's what I want to see.
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I find that Xbox One is the more social of the two platforms, from someone building a 3rd party site. The only way MS could do better is by opening their Xbox Live API a bit. That said, even the limited amount of access I have into their API to get clips, screenshots and such is more than I can get from Playstation.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
I agree.

They can both coexist. Comparing one to the other has no effect as it is all personal preference, but there does seem to be a clear disconnect on what each service purpose and people just running around with there own believes rather than facts.
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Yeah, quite annoying when PSNow and X1 BC are doing pretty amazing shit when you think about it. Sure it's 2015 so maybe I shouldn't be so impressed but I am.
 
Dabanton said:
If it's a underused feature why have they wasted money making PS Now?
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PS Now can be used on non Playstation devices.

Don't really see what's all that exciting about the X1 backwards compatibility announcement. It's software based, and most games aren't supported yet. Kinda like the X360 BC for original Xbox. Plus it's almost 1.5 years after launch. How is this an important feature now? For a platform whose major fan Base consisted of CoD and sports fans, I don't see how this is a megaton feature. It would be nice to be able to play games like Lost Odyssey and a few other titles on my X1, but I don't even know if those games will be ever be supported.
 
Hades Hotgun said:
That isn't really relevant to what I said.

I took issue with his claim that the feature is "rarely used," and the lack of compelling evidence which has been given to defend that notion. If people could buy and play FF7 PS1 classic right now on PS4, it would likely be getting a lot of use.

Also, given that I was specifically referring to PS1 and PS2 support, it is almost certainly not an issue of relative expense, but rather one of priorities.
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Wouldn't those things go hand-in-hand? If Sony knew that the market was there, why wouldn't they prioritize that?

Sony has teams of people to analyze market data. If it made financial sense for them to focus on it, they would do it. There has to be a reason that they aren't.
 
It makes sense. I know few who play old games on new consoles and considering ps3 hw makes even more sense. It may be more important early into each new gen but not at this point.

But i see them making it relevant for ps5 early days since now consoles use x86..
 
TheAngryMonkey said:
I find that Xbox One is the more social of the two platforms, from someone building a 3rd party site. The only way MS could do better is by opening their Xbox Live API a bit. That said, even the limited amount of access I have into their API to get clips, screenshots and such is more than I can get from Playstation.
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Don't see that at all the entire ps4 was built with social in mind. How is it more social?
 
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