also psp games. When I got the vita, I have to admit that about half my games were psp downloads.
MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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also psp games. When I got the vita, I have to admit that about half my games were psp downloads.
Bl@de
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First time I heard of this name. Lol
Who said they were trying to "fuck the consumer"? It's the fact that they dismissed it when so many people are asking for it is the problem. As a PS4 owner, I want BC. This isn't about bias at all.
If there are people asking for a feature in the console, the least they could do is acknowledge it and try to maybe get it to work.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
How is it messy or uneven?
Last night I downloaded and played Super Meat Boy, Hexic HD and Geometry Wars flawlessly. The list is small right now because it's been out in the public for 2 days. 100 games by fall including some major titles like Mass Effect, Shadowrun, Fable 2, Borderlands and Halo Reach. Over 100 titles by the time it officially releases in Fall and then more titles added after based on User Demand and publisher permission.
Big games like Red Dead, MW2 and Skyrim are heavily requested and I would say very likely of coming to the service.
It's software emulation but it's not a low bitrate stream it's the games upscaled with the Xbox one scaler looking pretty much the same.
No matter what this is a win for MS. If Sony did disc-based BC to, it'd be a win for them also! I'd buy a PS4 if it had this kind of BC an not only that I'd be buying the PS4 versions of cross-gen games as opposed to the PS3 ones!
Ya I'm always fearful of mine busting to! Its toughed it out all these years but losing my 3 systems in 1 box would be painful.
Well its not like they could give bluray the boot... @_@
Birgitte2004
Member
I'll just say I don't see any kind of similarity between BC and PSNow, and have no idea why people think the two are related.
If PSNow was a subscription service letting me put PS3 game discs in my PS4 and play them streaming, then I could see a comparison.
If PSNow was a subscription service letting me put PS3 game discs in my PS4 and play them streaming, then I could see a comparison.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I wonder why the 60GB PS3 launch model is one of the most popular, sought after models? Is it the shininess, or maybe something else? 
Doug Heffernan
Member
AHAHAHA
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
At least Microsoft doesn't charge us for the games we already own
I first place MSFT would not have done this.
Digital-Hero
Member
I believe this.
Pathfinder
Member
I wonder why the 60GB PS3 launch model is one of the most popular, sought after models? Is it the shininess, or maybe something else?
That is the million dollar question.
Maybe it's the Spider-Man font.
Forget PSNow. That's a different animal. It is a rental service, not backwards compatibility.
BC is not simple. It is time consuming to add support for each game since most developers that made good games didn't adhere to specific API calls. PS3 is even harder as that architecture was way foreign relative to what is in PS4. If it was easy, Sony would love to add that bullet point to their reasons to own a PS4.
This Sony guy was dead on. MS is desperate to find market share and they will likely not find it effectively by moneyhatting (since Sony is now playing that game as good as them). They can't claim stuff runs better on their box because most 3rd party stuff doesn't (unless they downres). In terms of 1st party, Sony hold a lot of advantages there because they own so many more studios (though their content has been slow to arrive). Sony holds all the cards and doesn't need to really look backwards. So what can MS do?
MS has determined that the best course for them is to add BC to woo 360 owners into upgrading to X1 instead of PS4 for all the reasons above. That is a great tactic for them and I applaud it. The reality is that most gamers are going to spend $350-$400 for new experiences, not emulation. When people buy a new system they expect the latest in graphics/AI/etc... and the actual number of games people go back to old games dwindles to almost nothing. It is a lot of resources devoted to something that fewer and fewer people will care about. Both Sony and MS dropped BC efforts last gen once the base was established as it is a depreciating feature. MS feels like they can grab some low hanging fruit so it makes it worthwhile.
These companies don't care about BC. Chances are that if you are still playing games from those gens, you have the hardware to still play them and adding BC is a convenience. If you're planning to pick up old games to play on your new system, they don't benefit because the money-making period has passed and it's just inventory liquidation for the retailer (or a freebie if digital). There is the corner case where peple traded in their old machines for a new one but even still, that's not about BC, it's about getting you on the new platform to spend money on new things. It's not goodwill, it's good business if your platform is failing to make a splash using the normal routes to gain market share.
KillerSloth
Banned
I wonder why the 60GB PS3 launch model is one of the most popular, sought after models? Is it the shininess, or maybe something else?
Any proof of this? Where is the proof amongst all gamers this is the most sought after model? Most people simply don't care. PS4 sales went up after BC was cut....
This makes me question the BC decision honestly. With the rate remasters are being made the best games from the previous gen will likely be on both next gen systems regardless of BC which begs the question maybe Sony is onto something claiming it's an underused feature? IMO the emergence of the "remastered games" likely plays a part in the BC convo. Financially it is likely cheaper to do BC vs a full on remaster but from a consumer standpoint would you rather play BC games with limitations or just pick up a remaster with everything improved and on your current gen machine?
I don't see what this has to do with the situation at all. This isn't about Microsoft vs. Sony (unless you are a lunatic). It's about what each is doing to make their console more attractive.
Right now I just see Microsoft putting in more work into the Xbox and letting it do however it will based on its merits. I like how their new philosophy seems to be "If we make a good console, people will come on their own."
I think I'm done. E3 really seems to bring out the console warriors. All everybody is interested in is keeping some kind of imaginary scoreboard for their favorite company.
KOMANI
KOMANI
I agree... I mean, it was a great e3 for both Microsoft and Sony. Why do we need to turn on them or ourselves?
Or they can trade all their old games in too and buy more new games. Most people want new gen games when they buy a new gen system, not paying $150 to essentially play the same games only through software emulation.
This is Sony's point and it's a good one. The vast majority of console gamers have very little real interest in backwards compatibility. It sounds good, it works early in a generation to get people to be a bit more willing to convert when big AAA titles are still hitting for the generation before, but in the long run it isn't worth much.
That doesn't mean it isn't a good move for Microsoft. They need something to stem the tide as more and more X360 owners jump to PS4, and this is about the best tool they have to earn some loyalty. Unfortunately the Xbox brand has always been synonymous with the best versions of multi-plats which it no longer is, and for being the flagship console for major online gaming titles, which it also no longer is as Sony has secured partnerships with Destiny, CoD, and SW:Battlefront.
MS was asleep at the wheel to start the generation, or where too drunk on the early success of Kinect to have any real objectivity. Software BC is an advantage they should have had from day one as it was readily viable for them and not for Sony due to the PS3's cell architecture. They needed that bragging right from day one, not year 2. They then let Sony run an end around on them to capture the hardcore with their little DRM fiasco, all while Sony was lining up 3rd party deals for the major upcoming multiplats, stealing a play straight out of MS' X360 playbook.
Now it's all too little, too late.
Really? MS/Publishers leaving that remaster money on the table? We should revisit this when the list is more than 20 titles yes? Then we could see what 360 games you can play on X1.
This is not native BC. It's let's have a poll of what people would like to see. Like I wrote in first post BC comes with a BIG *
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I was commenting on a stupid statement that was made on the first page. Putting the "console warz" comment made back in perspective.
That being said, what MSFT is doing is some impressive software tricks.
I find it fascinating we do not see similar sentiments to such a degree in the Gears 1 remake.
Why would it interfere. FFXIV players play fine together in different environments (PC, PS3). Recompilation doesn't change the net code. It already has a different runtime profile like with ME the load times are faster.
Not because BC was cut lol. Man these threads remind me why I avoid most of gaming side. Such bitterness.
We'd need someone to tear it all open someday to know for sure. But others have advised that when you put the disk in; it does a full re-download of it from Live. Which means a new binary is possible. Full EMU would mean all you need is the disk.
{insert code here}
Member
The PS Now narrative that's being spewed in this thread is absolutely embarrassing. It's a cloud service that is designed to, eventually, bring the entire PlayStation library (PS1,PS2,PS3,PS4,PSP,PSVita) to several devices that aren't consoles, i.e. TV's, Blu Ray players, tablets, etc. It's essentially a service in its infancy that will one day replace their PlayStation consoles as a delivery method for games. To compare it to Microsoft's half-baked BC initiative is downright asinine.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
I guess?
I mean, yeah, there is definitely a reason, but my point is just that it isn't a financial issue. There was no financial impetus to bring Vib Ribbon to PS Classics, that was 100% an executive mandate from Layden. And if he and/or other top execs in SCE were hot to get Classics support on PS4, then it would be on its way soon.
dragonzdogma
Member
I own a PS4 ,
but honestly the only games I am playing are Sleeping dogs and bloodborne
had I known that the Xbox one offered BC, I would have consider buying an XboxOne
to be able to play
Vanquish
RE5
RE6
Dragons Dogma
Bayonetta
and many more games
Quick question: Do these games also support online functionality via the xbox one?
but honestly the only games I am playing are Sleeping dogs and bloodborne
had I known that the Xbox one offered BC, I would have consider buying an XboxOne
to be able to play
Vanquish
RE5
RE6
Dragons Dogma
Bayonetta
and many more games
Quick question: Do these games also support online functionality via the xbox one?
I dun think its a console warrior thing so much as a hypocritical one. 1st Place MS dropped the heck outta Xbox BC. 2nd Place MS decides to do 360 BC. I applaud 'em for "seeing the light" or w/e and doing this however! I hope a huge percentage of the 360 library'll eventually be made available an that it'll all carry over into their future systems!
lighthouse777
Member
multiplayer, yes
I think that was due to there not being a very large player base for the original Xbox. There seems to be many many more that owned an Xbox 360, so it makes more sense that they will try to grab that audience. My point though was that this isn't about keeping scores for companies. It's about each doing their best to provide the best experience and letting us choose based on their merits.
dragonzdogma
Member
Wow - honestly it's not about upgrading Xbox360 players
I think Sony will loose some customers over this Xboxone BC implementation.
Also the reason why the probably think users don't use BC is because of how poor PSNOW is doing
From what I understood from that interview posted in the other thread on BC, the guy from Microsoft said that what is being downloaded is a new manifest. The manifest files for windows apps contain information like the publisher name, the app title and things like that.
These need to be made for the xbox one because otherwise the xbox will just see it as running a "360" app, and not a specific game, and the xbox1 will not know if it is Castle Crashers or Virtual On. That is what you are downloading. They specifically said the game bits are not touched.
Sony are really cheesing me off lately
first the way they treated Vita, then the overbearing of indies, now the way they are treating fans of Retro games, forget the ps3 games but psone and ps two digital downloads should be a thing again.
and their E3 was boring unless you liked that Particular "Holy Trinity" of games.
first the way they treated Vita, then the overbearing of indies, now the way they are treating fans of Retro games, forget the ps3 games but psone and ps two digital downloads should be a thing again.
and their E3 was boring unless you liked that Particular "Holy Trinity" of games.
Wow - honestly it's not about upgrading Xbox360 players
I think Sony will loose some customers over this Xboxone BC implementation.
Also the reason why the probably think users don't use BC is because of how poor PSNOW is doing
That and/or the PS3
KillerSloth
Banned
Yeah but BC is a feature most don't care about.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Gamer community: "We want BC!"
MS: "There you go!"
Gamer community: "Nah, BC is not even that important."
Whatever MS tries, the community (generally speaking) is just not at their side it seems.
The BC solution MS presented is pretty great as long as they support it, and giving people impressions it is not any kind of "bad emulation", it actually works pretty damn well. And since they said theres gonna be at about 100 titles till christmas and they also added a BC gaming list to vote in their feedback page, I believe they really intend to support it!
I don't know if Sony can do it or not, but I'm mostly certain people would applause them to do the same.
MS: "There you go!"
Gamer community: "Nah, BC is not even that important."
Whatever MS tries, the community (generally speaking) is just not at their side it seems.
The BC solution MS presented is pretty great as long as they support it, and giving people impressions it is not any kind of "bad emulation", it actually works pretty damn well. And since they said theres gonna be at about 100 titles till christmas and they also added a BC gaming list to vote in their feedback page, I believe they really intend to support it!
I don't know if Sony can do it or not, but I'm mostly certain people would applause them to do the same.
Also the reason why the probably think users don't use BC is because of how poor PSNOW is doing
This is interesting. Can you please share with us the financial reporting that backs up your statement?
When it´s really Sony´s BC solution then why can´t I play all my PS3 games that I already own on Blu-Ray on PS Now right now? Or just the digital games that I bought on PSN ? Why do I have to pay again for all these games ? Simple: because PS Now is a separate service that was not invented to bring my old backlog to the PS4! (well okay it does it somehow but it´s not its primary function I guess)
I mean that is the basic principle of BC or not? To play your already owned games on a new console? Or is it just evil Sony that want me to pay twice for the games? I don´t think so, sorry.
I am assuming this is an opinion, right? I got a bunch of friends who have yet to upgrade but were pleasantly excited about this new feature, so much so that they were considering the PS4 upgrade path less now.
KillerSloth
Banned
Horizon and uc4 were among the most impressive at E3 speak for yourself. People disagree you can't dismiss games cause reasons what does this have to do with anything anyway?
I'm thinking of getting a xbox, it would be great for Red dead, gears 2 & 3, vanquish, bayonetta, to get b.c and force unleashed and lego star wars too.
Hypereides
Member
They probably have statistical data to back this up. Honestly, I'm not surprised.
So it's either
Sony has no answer to BC
Sony has a half assed answer to BC
Those two aren't much different. If I want to play Ico on PS4 isn't that a BC problem? How would I solve that problem? PSNow? So, doesn't that mean it's a BC solution, intentional or not?
Loch Doun being Loch Doun...
Once I actually purchased my ps4 amd still have my ps3 no less than a foot away, BC became less important. Besides how else would I play media until they iron out their crap policy. Even the new update us too limited.
For a gutted experience, psnow is for people who never owned a ps3 in my opinion, that's not BC it's "if you really want to play these ps3 games on ps4 despite the glaring limitations, sure go ahead"
Head.spawn
Junior Member
They already announced that they are launching BC with over 100 titles... are you Percys alt account or something?
KillerSloth
Banned
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Most simply don't care. Even ms said so before article was posted earlier in the thread.