MCV: PlayStation on Xbox backwards compatibility
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
From how I understand it, the work involved with the OG games on 360 was on an individual title basis. With 360 games on One, the work was in creating the emulation environment which is done. This was one of the big advantages of the the layered OS system running on One. So all the titles need now are approval (if they're third party), QA testing and in some cases, tweaks to the emulator to accommodate some titles.
So in theory, getting the games in should be a LOT less work than before.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I convinced some to get a PS4 because both didn't have BC and they had a butch of 360 games, I do not think they'll be getting a PS4 now.
They're a lot of people still that this will make jumping to X1 easier
Relativ9
Member
God damn it if you all aren't some cynical ass cynics; that was a perfectly reasonable reply.
They've already stated on multiple occasions that PS Now isn't some substitute to backwards compatibility, but rather a way to offer games to more people on more platforms while also developing key technologies that could be the future of game publication. I mean for fucks sake he straight up said they didn't have backwards compatibility.
Would it be a nice feature to have? Of course. Should it be some sort of obligatory thing that labels the company as anti-consumer if they don't do it? He'll fucking no.
They've already stated on multiple occasions that PS Now isn't some substitute to backwards compatibility, but rather a way to offer games to more people on more platforms while also developing key technologies that could be the future of game publication. I mean for fucks sake he straight up said they didn't have backwards compatibility.
Would it be a nice feature to have? Of course. Should it be some sort of obligatory thing that labels the company as anti-consumer if they don't do it? He'll fucking no.
I guess it comes down to MS having the money and resources to make it happen while Sony don't.
Not sure why so many are getting so worked up over a highly requested feature. It was one of the top requests on the X1 website.
I paid a lot of money for a lot of digital content on 360 so I'm stoked i can retain that library through my latest hardware.
So many great games came out last gen that I didn't get to play or would like to play again and now I can do that.
If you don't like or see value in having free access to games you've paid for then that's fine but it doesn't make it any less of a great feature to others like myself.
Not sure why so many are getting so worked up over a highly requested feature. It was one of the top requests on the X1 website.
I paid a lot of money for a lot of digital content on 360 so I'm stoked i can retain that library through my latest hardware.
So many great games came out last gen that I didn't get to play or would like to play again and now I can do that.
If you don't like or see value in having free access to games you've paid for then that's fine but it doesn't make it any less of a great feature to others like myself.
ISee
Member
I am a PS4 and PC person, I try to buy with some reason during sales etc. but my pile of shame keeps on growing. I already have no time to play all the ~1 year old games I would like to play so BC is not a feature I greatly care about. I didn't play a single game on my PS3 since the PS4 entered my home.
So I could not care less if a new console has BC. It is nice to have, but not an important reason to buy a console for most people, I am very sure Sony is right about that.
So I could not care less if a new console has BC. It is nice to have, but not an important reason to buy a console for most people, I am very sure Sony is right about that.
No - they (and by "they" I mean Sony, MS, etc) have the stats on this and clearly Sony stats show low actual usage from historic platforms. In short they know (and are almost certainly correct) that the majority of console owners do not actually use BC or play games from previous gen on their console.
As someone from a PC background I expect BC on PC but it's obvious that on console the majority focus on "new" games aligned to the new console.
MS have added it (I'm very sure) because they're behind Sony and are seeking other ways to differentiate and to encourage as many people with 360s to move as possible - hence even if actually usage is low it's still a decent play for MS. If MS were ahead worldwide I seriously doubt MS would have added BC as they have.
Over requested and under used, agree entirely. In fact:
The only time BC is genuinely useful is at console launch... and even then, I owned a PS3 at launch and never used the BC, despite the "awful" library at the time. When my PS3 died and I had to get a non-BC replacement I was genuinely disappointed that I was losing this feature... until I realised that I had literally never used it.
When I upgraded to PS4 I kept my PS3 (better than BC - keeps my save data) and again, haven't used it in months.
I'd be willing to bet that people are more likely to double dip on a remaster than they are to take advantage of BC.
The only time BC is genuinely useful is at console launch... and even then, I owned a PS3 at launch and never used the BC, despite the "awful" library at the time. When my PS3 died and I had to get a non-BC replacement I was genuinely disappointed that I was losing this feature... until I realised that I had literally never used it.
When I upgraded to PS4 I kept my PS3 (better than BC - keeps my save data) and again, haven't used it in months.
(you can keep your save data with this)
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
So much this.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Again, things have changed, we have digital games and iphones now. They are talking about 10 years ago
That bit about the PS3/4 upgrade was a kind of pointless personal anecdote. Obviously there are people who use BC (with or without save data)
That is cool for those who use it though
Agreed! Very cool
It's clear sony need to start a kick starter to bring epsxe to the Ps4. Obviously Sony have invested too much into Now to back out and go with something different. But it's a solution that just won't work for many people and a lot of games will be close to unplayable on it if you are sensitive to input lag.
ISee
Member
Of course it will. Everything on your Xbox one is being upscaled to your tv's resolution (probably 1080p). Natively it will of course run in a lower resolution.
GreyOcelot
Member
i haven't used my ps3 all that much either, but i think it's a bit of a stretch to say "not using your ps3 = wouldn't use BC." if all my ps3 games ran on my ps4, i absolutely would have/would be playing a good chunk of them. especially in this digital age where we get 2 ps3 games on psplus every month, all the flash sales and shit. i have a backlog growing on my ps3. i absolutely would have dipped into that periodically if all i had to do was press the ps button on my ds4, go to the ps4 menu and select the game to play.
It would be amazing if i could toss the ps3 in the closet and play demon's souls or max payne 3 (or any of the 30+ games i have on my ps3 hdd right now) on my ps4.
if the leg-work to get ps3 emulation going on a ps4 is feasible, they should do it. and i think the consumer should expect and demand that ps4-->ps5 and xbone-->xbox4 will be a seamless steam-like transition with all purchased content transferring. if sony and MS aren't working that sort of thing into licensing (ie. PSN and XBL store games are platform agnostic), they are making a grave mistake.
jim-jam bongs
Member
Reasonable response really, and I'm saying that as someone who always uses BC when it's there. Realistically it's not going to change the world for a lot of people. Speaking for myself, one of the main uses of BC has been to play party games with friends which we used to play. Being able to play Battlefront on the 360, or Lylat Wars and Mario Kart 64 on the Wii (albeit via Virtual Console not proper BC), meant that my mates and I could relive the local multiplayer games we used to play together when we were all closer geographically. It's a nice thing when you live in opposite hemispheres to be able to return to that couch gaming fun over beers.
Given the fact that local multiplayer seems to be vanishing as a feature though, I guess the importance of that will diminish with time. Which is a little sad. Still, we'll always be able to play Quake, Blood, C&C, Diablo 2, etcetera in the same room so that's nice.
Given the fact that local multiplayer seems to be vanishing as a feature though, I guess the importance of that will diminish with time. Which is a little sad. Still, we'll always be able to play Quake, Blood, C&C, Diablo 2, etcetera in the same room so that's nice.
But we're speaking specifically to BC trends on consoles. It's know BC use is low.
Sure Sony are taking a calculated risk it'll stay low but the odds are heavily in their favour (which is why they're doing it).
BC has been a minor bullet point for selection of console for a while.
Again, I personally wish BC was always in place, but I can separate my singular preference from market reality and that says BC historically hasn't been a big issue.
Ease of use is a good point, I was wrong about owning both being better than BC (especially since the xbone apparently keeps your save data anyway).
10 years ago I would have agreed with you 100% on that last paragraph. But over time my position has softened as I realise just how much I'd actually use any kind of BC. Now it would be "nice" to have but I can't personally say I care about it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
aliasing made some games look worst, some people wouldn't play them because of it but would happily buy a HD Collection that was just outputting the same game but in HD, it was mainly the sub HD nature of them being played on a HDTV, some games still look stunning today but are being lost due to being made in a sub HD era with no preservation
if it's continued to be ignored those games will be lost forever, its easy to say play them on the machine they was made for but even the PS2 is 15 years old and eventually that won't be an option.
And why would you keep them when eventually you won't be able to play them.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
What data do Sony have to say it's low? They have nothing. In 3 years time we can decide.
Last gen, I'm sure that was true because SD games looked like crap on HDTVs.
This gen, the last gen games drill look great, and still have awesome networked capabilities. I think there is more of a call for BC this gen because last gen was still pretty incredible in the graphics department.
intheinbetween
Member
plus last gen was the begining of digital games distribution on consoles, so I'm sure many people would love to play the games they bought some time ago in their current systems.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It did, PS3 was just standard compatibility.
While PS4 can't really do PS3 games it would breath new life into PS1/2 games as the hardware is capable.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Who's the one who originally claims that the BC use is low? Microsoft, Sony or both? Honest question.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Can you play PS2 games on Vita?
stan423321
Member
It's interesting hearing you all out here. For me, BC is all about encouraging platform switching - as I have no 360, if the compatibility with exclusives that interest me turns out to be high, that would make an Xbone purchase more sensible.
It seems like everybody focuses on getting rid of their old hardware instead. Weird.
It seems like everybody focuses on getting rid of their old hardware instead. Weird.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
It's the opposite. Not needing to pop a disc in is way easier than doing so. Digital games just appear. Click a button and they download.
Not really in this age of day 1 patches that are so large. I'm excited more though for xbla games. Give me shadow complex!
lol ofc they have data. PS3s with PS2 BC maybe?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
From 10 years ago before the age of digital games. They have nothing relevant.
Nope, you buy your new console, turn it on an then you'll see this. And it was the most requested feature on Xbox feedback website.
They will show up as ready to install under Games And Apps:
Games ready for you. If you have discs you can use those too. Im actually thinking of buying some 360 games ive missed out on so i can use it on X1 with (soon) my shiny new Elite controller. PGR4
Hahah, was going to say the same thing. Sony took away the ability to play PS2 games on the PS3 very early in the consoles life so yes, of course it didn't seem popular.
Besides, if PS4 played PS3 games that looked marginally better than on PS3 then there would be less market for HD versions and we can't have that now can we?
Yeah because it's not like the PS4 was developed for... you know, PS4 games.
Is it so crazy to hold onto a PS3 to play this stuff? Mine is sitting beside my PS4, and it isn't going anywhere.
Polioliolio
Member
You don't actually need to physically have backward compatibility sony. Just make it free for me to stream the games you already know I bought on your store front.
Fixed.
He's still has a point, you need to download the game even if you've got disks. The download list only shows up if you bought them digitally.
Still a lot of games.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
The OG PS3 selling like horseshit that they was forced to take the function out and make a new model without it.
I think it's relevant that most console systems (ie The Wii U) while having the function as well, still isn't selling so hot as an incentive for folks with Wiis and digital purchases as well to convert over to the next one. There is relevant information especially considering, even major publishers has stop support for the last gen.
BibiMaghoo
Member
That's a pretty silly thing to say. They have the data on the number of people that buy classic games digitally for 2 platforms, currently, not ten years ago. They can see from network usage if people are playing PS1 or PS2 games on their PS3's or Vita for PS1. They can see how many people wanted a B/c PS3. They can see how well or not remasters sell, and how well people receive ones that are ports with little effort.
TheDarkTriforce
Banned
That's why already over 100000 votes for different 360 Games are in microsofts website for gamewishes
Sony should charge you 100 dollar to rent a game in PS Now for 5min of playtime for Games you already own in my opinion than maybe you Are lucky when a company adds those features to your console