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To be used not for BC purposes, but target those who don't own any PlayStations but have a PS Now compatible TV or tablet.

Lets be honest here, how many consumers actually will care about PSNow that are not gamers?

My bet is not many. Why spend 5-600 bucks for a smart tv when you can get a PS3 and 15-20 games for the same price and not have to worry about an internet streaming service that is hit or miss for lots of people.

 

[sturgboski]

The OG PS3 selling like horseshit that they was forced to take the function out and make a new model without it.



I think it's relevant that most console systems (ie The Wii U) while having the function as well, still isn't selling so hot as an incentive for folks with Wiis and digital purchases as well to convert over to the next one. There is relevant information especially considering, even major publishers has stop support for the last gen.

Your argument for why BC is bad or that the general consumer doesn't want it revolves around:
1) a $500-600 console at launch competing with the 360 between $300-400 and the Wii I believe at $200 and
2) a console costing almost as much as the PS4 with hardware onpar to last gen that is only supported by its publisher

Just because the consumer doesn't want the console DOES NOT MEAN BC is bad. That is a really poor argument. I don't want an iPhone, clearly that means all the features in it are not worth it for consumers. Lest we forgot Sony turned BC into a SaaS solution which they wouldn't if they didn't think they could make money. But nope, because a feature is tied to a product people don't want, clearly that feature isnt worth it.

 

[ElNino]

wth guys, the general gamer doesnt even replay games on their current gen, let alone play older games on a shiny new gen console.

it's only us; hardcore gamers and game collectors that actively use this. And how many of us are there? - not so many.

I would say it is the opposite.

The "casual" gamer who only plays their favourite games would be more likely to replay than "us", who generally buy more games than we even have time to play.

Anecdotally, trying this out over the last couple of days with my son and his friends, they are pumped to see my XBLA collection added (eventually). Several of my sons friends went from Wii to Xbox One, and are excited about playing some of the older Xbox 360 games (mostly XBLA like Battleblock Theatre, Castle Crashers, etc).

 

[Donny]

That's why already over 100000 votes for different 360 Games are in microsofts website for gamewishes Sony should charge you 100 dollar to rent a game in PS Now for 5min of playtime for Games you already own in my opinion than maybe you Are lucky when a company adds those features to your console

lol that hyperbole. Incredible.

 

[neogaffer1]

wth guys, the general gamer doesnt even replay games on their current gen, let alone play older games on a shiny new gen console.

it's only us; hardcore gamers and game collectors that actively use this. And how many of us are there? - not so many.

I know a guy who is the most casual of casual gamers. He played GTA V for 20 minutes, and hated it and never opened his copy again. He bought Far Cry 4, tried to fly over the entire map, was shot down because he tried to enter the north before playing any of the campaign, and never opened the game again after that. He bought FH2, set all the difficulty settings to the highest difficulty, played a few races in front of people to show off despite him crashing continuously, and then never opened the game again.

However, he does play a lot of CoD. And while he has a PS4 and a XB1, the console he spends the most time with is 360 as he plays BLOPSII on it all the time. He also regularly goes back and plays MW2, BLOPS and a few other games that he's played for years. This is the type of gamer that would use BC the most.


And besides, it's not about whether or not people use it, more like people know that they can use it. If you had to chose from a console that can play your 360 games, and one that can't play any of the games you already have, and you don't know anything about them because you don't really follow gaming news, you'd probably chose the one that can play your 360 games. That's what MS is hoping to happen.

 

[carl32]

I don't know how people can knock BC, if its no use to you, nothing lost fair enough, if you do use it its a big bonus. I would love this on my PS4.

 

[MrGreencastle]

He's still has a point, you need to download the game even if you've got disks. The download list only shows up if you bought them digitally.

So? You have to do this anyway on Xbox One with games. No games run off the disc. It still plays the games you have. Perhaps in the future Microsoft can figure out a way to have them install off the 360 disc and repackage themselves into the VM on the console itself, but for now in the preview it's a one time download and you're good to go. Works great.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I don't know how people can knock BC, if its no use to you, nothing lost fair enough, if you do use it its a big bonus. I would love this on my PS4.

Everyone would love this on their PS4. It's just a matter of if those people ever use it. I would, but only for a handful of titles. I'm curious how MS have licensed this. They must be paying a fee to publishers to allow distribution on a new platform without incentive. That means if accurate, MS are taking a hit on every game they put this up for, which is pretty commendable.

 

[Sobriquet]

The OG PS3 selling like horseshit that they was forced to take the function out and make a new model without it.

They took out BC to sell more PS3 games:

Mr. Tretton conceded that removing that capability, along with a few other features, isn't dramatically reducing Sony's cost of manufacturing the console but will instead encourage buyers of the entry-level PlayStation 3 to purchase more games designed specifically for the new system.

I would buy a PS4 today if it had BC.

 

[quest]

I don't know how people can knock BC, if its no use to you, nothing lost fair enough, if you do use it its a big bonus. I would love this on my PS4.

Come on you know the answer. People with agendas or console warriors. If the roles were reversed and it was the PS4 that had BC you would see a lot of people sing a different tune. BC is a great thing in the age of digital purchases. Until I can cash out my digital purchases for cash like physical BC is a great thing. Kind of like Rock Band 4 letting people re-use a lot of DLC that is a great thing nothing negative about it.

 

[New002]

wth guys, the general gamer doesnt even replay games on their current gen, let alone play older games on a shiny new gen console.

it's only us; hardcore gamers and game collectors that actively use this. And how many of us are there? - not so many.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Someone help.

 

[RuGalz]

There's just no way for PS4 to actually emulate PS3. But going forward, hopefully they just stick with x86 architecture and allow BC from this point on. It makes no sense not to do so.

 

[Justified]

They took out BC to sell more PS3 games:



I would buy a PS4 today if it had BC.

Your Link is behind a paywall btw.

Beside Kaz said thats exactly why they switch to the 40GB (non-BC) model

The 40GB model is known to be cheaper to produce for Sony. Kaz Hirai noted earlier this week that he hopes the company's PlayStation business will become profitable in the next fiscal year, now that costs are being reduced at a manufacturing level.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-japan-to-discontinue-20gb-and-60gb-playstation-3

There's just no way for PS4 to actually emulate PS3. But going forward, hopefully they just stick with x86 architecture and allow BC from this point on. It makes no sense not to do so.

Why Not? Im sure they could find a software solution, like MS is doing with 360 (which is PowerPC not x86)

I dont think the CELL is what would hold them back, I think there backend network/server are a mess (Im still salty over PSN name change)

 

[JeffG]

wth guys, the general gamer doesnt even replay games on their current gen, let alone play older games on a shiny new gen console.

it's only us; hardcore gamers and game collectors that actively use this. And how many of us are there? - not so many.

Little Billy has a ton of XBox 360 games. So when Ma and Pa go shopping, someone will say little Billy can use those games with Box #1 but not box #2. Which box does Ma and Pa choose?

or

Jim Bob has a backlog of 360 games to play, so he holds off buying something else...until now


In both scenario's, the gamers may actually never use BC...but the fact that it exists may sway the purchase decision.

 

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Someone help.

Really though. That's a question that I hear a lot of parents asking when buying a new system for their kids. "Can it play their older games?" They proceed to get bummed out if it can't.

Either way, there's literally nothing negative about adding value to console that already costs hundreds of dollars. It's honestly one of the reasons why I actually do like owning a Wii U. I never owned a Wii, so I can go back and play games I never got to touch. Even if I never get around to using it, the option is there which is great. As a consumer, more choices are never a bad thing.

 

[MrGreencastle]

Everyone would love this on their PS4. It's just a matter of if those people ever use it. I would, but only for a handful of titles. I'm curious how MS have licensed this. They must be paying a fee to publishers to allow distribution on a new platform without incentive. That means if accurate, MS are taking a hit on every game they put this up for, which is pretty commendable.

They aren't redistributing it really, though. The original title is running on a 360 for all intents and purposes. The Xbox One basically has a software VM of a 360's hardware now. I doubt they are paying anyone anything - that would make no sense, but then again I wouldn't put it past certain publishers to try and tell Microsoft to pay them, to which Microsoft would probably give them the finger. That said, EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda seem to be on board for giving Microsoft the go-ahead already, so we should see their titles "enabled" in the coming months.

 

[ElNino]

That's a pretty silly thing to say. They have the data on the number of people that buy classic games digitally for 2 platforms, currently, not ten years ago. They can see from network usage if people are playing PS1 or PS2 games on their PS3's or Vita for PS1. They can see how many people wanted a B/c PS3. They can see how well or not remasters sell, and how well people receive ones that are ports with little effort.

I think it's silly to compare the sales totals for previous gen games at current (digital) prices to being able to play your purchased games on a current console, with additional features native to the current gen without rebuying them.

 

[Vintage]

It's funny to see how xbox was bashed, even made fun of, for digitally-owned games and over-reliance on internet services and cloud, and look how tables have turned now...

If Microsoft keeps bringing more features like this I might buy xbox1 some day.

 

[TalentBurke]

That's why already over 100000 votes for different 360 Games are in microsofts website for gamewishes Sony should charge you 100 dollar to rent a game in PS Now for 5min of playtime for Games you already own in my opinion than maybe you Are lucky when a company adds those features to your console

If I already owned the game then I would also own the system which I need to play said game on. I don't think people have a whole bunch of 360 games laying around with no Xbox 360 console to play these games on. That wouldn't make any sense to me.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

That's a pretty silly thing to say. They have the data on the number of people that buy classic games digitally for 2 platforms, currently, not ten years ago. They can see from network usage if people are playing PS1 or PS2 games on their PS3's or Vita for PS1. They can see how many people wanted a B/c PS3. They can see how well or not remasters sell, and how well people receive ones that are ports with little effort.

No, they can't. When you use PS1 or PS2 game on a PS3 it disconnects you from PSN and turns off network features. This happens with discs and classics.


The only reason Sony is down playing this is because they don't have it. This is a product differentiation for Microsoft, and as such Sony is going to spew any and all amounts of bullshit in order to down play it.

This is no different than when MS down played BC when the 360 didn't have it, while Sony bragged about it when they did. Then Sony said it didn't matter once they dropped it and suddenly MS felt it was a great feature on 360.

Or how Reggie is currently lying out his ass about VR, because the reality is that they don't have a way to address a clear strength of a competitor.

If this becomes a meaningful point of differentiation for the XB1 or if there is a significant enough reaction on social media or something like that, then Sony will turn around and say they are giving fans what they want and pretend they never questioned the need for BC.

Maybe PS3 support is just untenable due to the Cell, so they have to keep up this front, but PS1 and PS2 emulation with enhancements are completely manageable and I wish an interviewer would make that distinction.

 

[Sobriquet]

Your Link is behind a paywall btw.

It's from a Wall Street Journal interview with Jack Tretton. It's the only source for that that I'm aware of; sorry. In any case, I put the relevant quote in my post.

 

[Quotient]

I personally do not want Sony to invest anytime in providing BC. I would much rather that time be spent providing an improved OS or features like shareplay.

BC would, in my mind, be the killer feature on console debut, where it would help alleviate the weak game launches and help reduce the console of buying into the new console ecosystem. If the Xbox one, which launched at $499, had BC with 360 games, i feel it may have done a lot better than it actual did.

Regardless it will be interesting to see how many games are available by year end and how reliable the BC emulation is.

 

[Apathy]

Little Billy has a ton of XBox 360 games. So when Ma and Pa go shopping, someone will say little Billy can use those games with Box #1 but not box #2. Which box does Ma and Pa choose?

or

Jim Bob has a backlog of 360 games to play, so he holds off buying something else...until now


In both scenario's, the gamers may actually never use BC...but the fact that it exists may sway the purchase decision.

But in both scenarios, the actual thing is "Little Billy and Jim Bob have a lot of 360 games, some of which can be played on their xbox one, if Microsoft gets permission".

 

[thelastword]

BC is the most overrated feature in console gaming, you'll have people shouting from the rooftops about BC every single time but how many people really buy a console to play old games? about 0.1%.

I bought a 60GB PS3 and never used BC, yet, so many people who loved BC were crying that the console being too expensive. The easy way this is solved is to keep your old consoles hooked up or pay to play. Sony tried offering full BC last gen and got burnt. I think their approach is sensible, you can still play on the console you bought your games for.

 

[Abdiel]

Come on you know the answer. People with agendas or console warriors. If the roles were reversed and it was the PS4 that had BC you would see a lot of people sing a different tune. BC is a great thing in the age of digital purchases. Until I can cash out my digital purchases for cash like physical BC is a great thing. Kind of like Rock Band 4 letting people re-use a lot of DLC that is a great thing nothing negative about it.

I'm not bashing on BC, and I think it's great that the option is coming in any form. My biggest annoyance with this thread is all the people trying to act like PSNow is what they're trying to leverage as BC, which they aren't.

I think it would be cool if they added BC to PS4, at least for the classics stuff, since I don't know how viable PS3 emulation is, but I also don't know how much I'd use it. Doesn't mean I'm saying "Don't bring it". I'm not downplaying anything of the sort. I just think people trying to villanize Sony for PSNow in this specific circumstance is kinda dumb.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Yeah because it's not like the PS4 was developed for... you know, PS4 games.

Is it so crazy to hold onto a PS3 to play this stuff? Mine is sitting beside my PS4, and it isn't going anywhere.

It's not crazy, but at a certain point I don't want my PS3 hooked up. It takes up unnecessary space. Also that first statement is so dumb. Watch: "Yeah because it's not like the PS3 was developed for... you know, PS3 games" except it also played PS1 and PS2 games. A console is developed for whatever games you want it to be, old and new.

Look, even if you're not going to play any BC games, that's fine. But let's cut the bullshit. Backwards compatibility, whether it's popular or not, is ONLY a net positive for everyone. Platform holders see a new avenue of revenue on their digital store and an instant increase in sellable titles, publishers see more long-term sales on their digital content instead of it just being cut off at the end of a hardware cycle, and consumers both get access to a wider and ever-expanding breadth of content while being secure in the knowledge that their purchases carry forward, incentivizing them to spend more in the digital ecosystem. There are only gains with allowing BC. So it doesn't matter if any single one of you won't use it or doesn't care

Hell, Microsoft is already allowing publishers to be creative with it, like getting Fallout 3 when you order Fallout 4, or Vegas 1 and 2 when you order Rainbow 6: Siege. I can respect your opinions for not wanting to use it personally, that's fine, but saying it's useless is patently false. The PC environment thrives off of selling a combination of old games and new, nothing gets held back.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

BC is the most overrated feature in console gaming, you'll have people shouting from the rooftops about BC every single time but how many people really buy a console to play old games? about 0.1%.

Do you have any actual evidence to support his claim or is it entirely made up?

I don't want to presume here, but it sounds like you just made that up based on nothing.

I bought a 60GB PS3 and never used BC, yet, so many people who loved BC were crying that the console being too expensive.

Okay? This is an irrelevant anecdote.

The easy way this is solved is to keep your old consoles hooked up or pay to play. Sony tried offering full BC last gen and got burnt. I think their approach is sensible, you can still play on the console you bought your games for.

Are you so ignorant on this topic that you actually believe this? I almost prefer to think that you are just lying to yourself.

Sony charged $600 for a console and BC had very little to do with the high cost. As has already been pointed out in this thread, Sony did not remove BC due to it costing a lot, but rather as a means of pushing stagnant PS3 software sales.

When Sony dropped the price of the PS3 and removed PS2 support, there is no reason to think they did so because they had somehow reduced manufacturing costs enough to make that move profitable. Rather, they dropped the price due to the same reason the XB1 dropped, which would be under-performance relative to their competitors.

In fact, based on Tretton's candid statement on the issue, one could infer that Sony felt people were actually using PS2 backward compatibility so much that it was hurting their PS3 sales. It is worth noting that at this time, the PS2 was still selling better than the PS3. There is not, nor has there ever been, any reason to believe that PS2 backward compatibility had anything to do with the poor performance of the PS3 in its release window or afterward. Nor is their a basis for the claim that it was responsible for the high initial price.

It is also worth noting that the PS3 ONLY DROPPED PS2 support, and never dropped backward compatibility for PS1 games, which further illustrates how utterly fallacious and mistaken your entire argument is.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

I was always in the camp of not needing backwards compatibility.. "I want NEW games! NEW experiences!" etc.

That being said, it was pretty freaking awesome to download Geometry Wars and the Toy Soldiers games and just "play" on the Xbox One. I don't even know where my 360 is right now, so this is actually really nice.

There are also a ton of games I missed on 360 that I'd probably never go back to bother to play, and as long as their prices remain low, I can see myself dipping into 360 titles like I do indie titles now.

I got a PS3 at launch largely because I didn't have a PS2 and wanted to play a lot of those titles and watch Blu-ray movies as well (and mostly because I was a tech nerd who had to have everything new).

 

[Haeralis The BRave]

Your Link is behind a paywall btw.

Beside Kaz said thats exactly why they switch to the 40GB (non-BC) model



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-japan-to-discontinue-20gb-and-60gb-playstation-3




Why Not? Im sure they could find a software solution, like MS is doing with 360 (which is PowerPC not x86)

I dont think the CELL is what would hold them back, I think there backend network/server are a mess (Im still salty over PSN name change)

I am so sick of hearing this revisionism. The BC in the PS3 cost almost nothing according to the manufacturing costs.

It only cost $27 for full hardware BC. The price didn't drop because they cut BC, it's because the price of Blu Ray went way down.

 

[Justified]

I am so sick of hearing this revisionism. The BC in the PS3 cost almost nothing according to the manufacturing costs.

It only cost $27 for full hardware BC. The price didn't drop because they cut BC, it's because the price of Blu Ray went way down.

Well tell that to Kaz he made the statement. Im also sure component price isnt the only factor when it comes to manufacturing

 

[megabytecr]

Great feature not going to lie, but I don't have time for last gen, maybe some gems here and there.

My PS3 died and I need a new one, for stuff like this it would be great to have BC.

Now if I were to buy XB1, the BC is a nice feature for me, as I missed the 360, but having already a Wii U and PS4/PS3 with limited time, it is a luxury for me.

 

[shoreu]

Fixed.



He's still has a point, you need to download the game even if you've got disks. The download list only shows up if you bought them digitally.

lol i love how some of you are soo certain that no more games will come to this. They have already confirmed they are bringing over all of their published titles. Games like RDR have 22k+ votes on their site. stop trying to use the preview program list as a talking point its really foolish.

 

[goonergaz]

That's why already over 100000 votes for different 360 Games are in microsofts website for gamewishes Sony should charge you 100 dollar to rent a game in PS Now for 5min of playtime for Games you already own in my opinion than maybe you Are lucky when a company adds those features to your console

how does 100,000 free votes (and multiple votes allowed, from ~80M X360 owners) compare to $3M of real money for Shenmue 3 kickstarter?

 

[shoreu]

how does 100,000 free votes (and multiple votes allowed, from ~80M X360 owners) compare to $3M of real money for Shenmue 3 kickstarter?

what does that have to do with anything?

 

[funkystudent]

I bet the switch to AMD from Nvidia is probably a bigger pain then emulating the Cell,


Wasn't legal bullshit with Nvidia the reason why Xbox 1 BC on Xbox 360 was so awkward?

 

[goonergaz]

I am so sick of hearing this revisionism. The BC in the PS3 cost almost nothing according to the manufacturing costs.

It only cost $27 for full hardware BC. The price didn't drop because they cut BC, it's because the price of Blu Ray went way down.

It's not just hardware that costs;

http://www.wired.com/2007/10/sony-40gb-ps3-b/

I guess they could have left it as it was.

 

[goonergaz]

what does that have to do with anything?

in response to it being an unwanted feature (by Warhead) TheDarkTriforce said 100k votes proved otherwise, I was simply stating that 100k votes means mothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

That's a pretty silly thing to say. They have the data on the number of people that buy classic games digitally for 2 platforms, currently, not ten years ago. They can see from network usage if people are playing PS1 or PS2 games on their PS3's or Vita for PS1. They can see how many people wanted a B/c PS3. They can see how well or not remasters sell, and how well people receive ones that are ports with little effort.

Well remasters still great for a start. The rest of the stuff is irrelevant.

 

[Biker19]

My bullshit meter is off the charts on that. Not enough software engineers? pfft...

If a bunch of indie homebrew dudes can make PCSX and ePSXe happen, the bar cannot be that high.

As for the demand, yeah, it'll only serve the hardcore (which are, as always, a much smaller demographic than we think), but they want it and the want it bad. And all in all, there's still probably millions of them.

If lack of interest and priorities were the actual answer it'd be sorted easily:

Give third parties access to your PSX/PS2-libraries and let an independent dev create a PSX and PS2 emulator for PS4 which only runs original discs or downloads from the PSN-store. Basically Bleemcast 2.0. Set an RSVP of 30$ for it and see how many are willing to Kickstart. It'd be funded in hours. Add some stretch goals for a bunch of plugins/resolution scalers/game fixes and it'd be overfunded easily. People would be angry at Sony, but it'd fund NO problem.

Sony doesn't have to prioritise (much), and the fans get what they want.

Somebody get Gio Corsi on this shit.

#KickstartBC


Except… the reason isn't what they're saying. The reason is PSNow. So we're screwed. It's a shame.

I agree. It should be incredibly easy for Sony to bring in PS1 & PS2 emulation on PS4.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

It's not just hardware that costs;

http://www.wired.com/2007/10/sony-40gb-ps3-b/

I guess they could have left it as it was.

But, then later they did add PS2 Classics support through the very means they discussed in that article. And then homebrew showed that it could even support a lot more games through the PS classics emulator if they opted to do so.

Also, as you say, they could have just left it as it was, this explanation is just why it "couldn't" work on the 40GB, not why they removed it from the previous models. Tretton's comments match up most closely with what the evidence indicates. They were removing the option because they felt it took away from PS3 games and they needed better software sales. Even if that ultimately didn't make a difference, it was their intention.

 

[goonergaz]

It was interesting that X360 had a better s/ware tie ratio - maybe they had a point.

 

[DopeyFish]

Saying BC doesn't matter is really a foolish thing to suggest, imo.

Last gen was the first time you bought games and stored them on console (old XBLA on OG Xbox doesn't truly count). In my mind, there just isn't enough evidence to support either argument.

We didn't have achievements before, or multiplayer games on the scale that we do now. We didn't have DLC (OG Xbox did to an extent)

Last gen was a massive shift in so much that everyone does... we don't really know the long term impacts. So comparing PS1 -> PS2 -> PS3 or Xbox -> Xbox 360 to current situation doesn't really matter too much to me... the situation is very very different. There's a lot more baggage tied to us these days.

This will be an interesting thing to watch, though.

 

[pixelbox]

Some of you forgot that 360 had 3 CPU cores capable of muti-threading to 6 threads clocked at 1.6 Ghz, from the 3.2. GHZ 3 cores. XBONE has 6-7 cores clocked higher than 1.6 GHZ and has already partnered with AMD for the graphics card in the previous GEN. They didn't have to fight for patents because of this so BC seems to be easier to achieve on MS end.

 

[DopeyFish]

Some of you forgot that 360 had 3 CPU cores capable of muti-threading to 6 threads clocked at 1.6 Ghz, from the 3.2. GHZ 3 cores. XBONE has 6-7 cores clocked higher than 1.6 GHZ and has already partnered with ATI for the graphics card in the previous GEN. They didn't have to fight for patents because of this so BC seems to be easier to achieve on MS end.

Biggest issue is the type of CPUs they are. Xbox 360 was PPC, Xbox One is x86. One is in order, 360 is out of order.

 

[pixelbox]

Biggest issue is the type of CPUs they are. Xbox 360 was PPC, Xbox One is x86. One is in order, 360 is out of order.

Yea but MS doesn't need to mimic 7 cores clocked at 3.2 GHZ with 6 1.6 cores nor do they have to fight for patents.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

They aren't redistributing it really, though. The original title is running on a 360 for all intents and purposes. The Xbox One basically has a software VM of a 360's hardware now. I doubt they are paying anyone anything - that would make no sense, but then again I wouldn't put it past certain publishers to try and tell Microsoft to pay them, to which Microsoft would probably give them the finger. That said, EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda seem to be on board for giving Microsoft the go-ahead already, so we should see their titles "enabled" in the coming months.

Sure, but the software is licensed for distribution on a specific platform right? And Xbox one is not that same platform. A publisher would surely have to agree for this to be allowed with their property. I find it extremely hard to believe that is not the case. Perhaps that incentive is as little as continued game sales, perhaps it is more. I would love to know.

I think it's silly to compare the sales totals for previous gen games at current (digital) prices to being able to play your purchased games on a current console, with additional features native to the current gen without rebuying them.

Agreed, I didn't do that if you are suggesting I did. I was saying they do have some statistics on how people use B/c that are not ten years old.

No, they can't. When you use PS1 or PS2 game on a PS3 it disconnects you from PSN and turns off network features. This happens with discs and classics.

Are you sure? Not that it disconnects you, but that it doesn't tell the network why it disconnected you? Because the latter means they have that information. Do you know if it's PSN that disconnects you, or the hardware OS? Because if it's the former, they have that information.

 

[MrGreencastle]

Sure, but the software is licensed for distribution on a specific platform right? And Xbox one is not that same platform. A publisher would surely have to agree for this to be allowed with their property. I find it extremely hard to believe that is not the case. Perhaps that incentive is as little as continued game sales, perhaps it is more. I would love to know.

The platform is still 360. The games themselves "believe" they are running on a 360. If a publisher doesn't give permission, they are going to catch a lot of flak for it, considering what this is. They aren't "re-selling" these titles as they are the same titles that you can buy today exactly as they are on 360 marketplace or on a retail disc. You are putting the disc that you already own into the Xbox One and playing the game on a virtual 360. Same deal for the digital titles. For all intents and purposes, you are still running the games on a 360.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Sure, but the software is licensed for distribution on a specific platform right? And Xbox one is not that same platform. A publisher would surely have to agree for this to be allowed with their property. I find it extremely hard to believe that is not the case. Perhaps that incentive is as little as continued game sales, perhaps it is more. I would love to know. .

Correct, that is the possible licensing issue with regards to BC. Same reason that some PSN PS1 games work on Vita and some don't: the contract between Sony and the publisher specifies the platforms the game will appear on, and they have to go back and amend it if they want to add another one. I have no doubt Microsoft works the same

 

[rpg_fan]

what does that have to do with anything?

Maybe he should put it in pie chart form?

 

[Pathfinder]

I agree. It should be incredibly easy for Sony to bring in PS1 & PS2 emulation on PS4.

It probably is, but that would eat into possible PS Now subscriptions, so I don't think they're ever going to do it.