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[Anoregon]

40 for the hundreds of hours you all will be treading through these new maps areas game modes raids n looting of items is money well spent and honestly if you really think 40 pounds is a lot may I suggest seeking of better employment rather than posting unheard outrage on a video game forum. End of thread you nerds.

When is GAF going to get to the point where "I think it's a fair price, if you can't afford it you should get a better job" is bannable? It's fucking worthless condescending bullshit that does nothing to contribute to any topic.

 

[HBP]

I haven't even played the last DLC that came out that I had already paid for when my digital version, no way I am buying this considering the Witcher 3 DLC comes out near then with Fallout 4 soon after, plenty of gaming for me.

 

[Draft]

lmao

That's funny.

Games are expensive as shit and game devs will fleece their fans for every penny. What's to defend? Don't buy it. Buy a hearthstone portrait. Give Sony 5 dollars for "free" games and access to their matchmaking servers. Fight with children over a plastic Yoshi. All better ways (?) to spend your gaming dollar.

 

[Bumpers]

Crazy, the DLC will be worth more than some stores were offering the game on release.

Bungie's business strategy is an ocean away from me too.

 

[KillerSloth]

Hundreds of hours retreading the one new location back and forth for another year?

Fighting the one new remixed enemy faction?

At least the base game cam with Earth, the Moon, Venus and Mars and four enemy factions, for $60. A game that was content light at launch is now about to push much less for the second year.

I do hope they have some surprise announcements.

You can say this about every game ever made that you spend hundreds of hours on.

 

[kinoki]

There's no doubt that Destiny is content starved but that doesn't change the fact that I'm a sucker for it.

 

[Daemul]

40 for the hundreds of hours you all will be treading through these new maps areas game modes raids n looting of items is money well spent and honestly if you really think 40 pounds is a lot may I suggest seeking of better employment rather than posting unheard outrage on a video game forum. End of thread you nerds.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

$40...

The Blizzard way of Expansion..

Which also from Activision.

$40 is completely reasonable for the kind of expansion that Blizzard puts out.

 

[fedexpeon]

Oh damn that start of HHH's reign of terror!

I am going to be honest, HHH is what best for business and that industry.
The guy is really smart, and has successfully captured a lot of people within their company's pay service since the renewal fee is so small that it is an instant buy.

We need more CEO and COO to be like HHH that knows what is best for business.
HHH probably would charge this expansion at 19.99, and add map dlc for 9.99.
When you get these fans hook, you can sell map dlc like hotcakes.

 

[The Lamonster]

40 for the hundreds of hours you all will be treading through these new maps areas game modes raids n looting of items is money well spent and honestly if you really think 40 pounds is a lot may I suggest seeking of better employment rather than posting unheard outrage on a video game forum. End of thread you nerds.

When is GAF going to get to the point where "I think it's a fair price, if you can't afford it you should get a better job" is bannable? It's fucking worthless condescending bullshit that does nothing to contribute to any topic.

"/thread" and name calling is bannable.

 

[Einchy]

Don't buy it?

Stop giving developers money if you don't want shit like this to continue. It's pretty simple.

It seems most people in this thread will be doing exactly that.

 

[Razmos]

Can't believe anyone is defending the price/content of Destiny.

It was ridiculous a year ago and it's even more ridiculous now. I shudder to think of the future direction of the gaming industry if a game being this shallow and obvious about stealing peoples money actually becomes a success.

Amazing, and simply scary.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I guess but it's shaders and emblems? I really don't see it being a big issue but I guess people are into those things.

I don't see it as a big issue either, but then Destiny has done a good job of making people care about cosmetic things. It's the only game I've ever actually cared about how my character looked. And emotes are a huge part of the way players communicate in Destiny - adding new ones is a not a huge deal, but not a tiny one either.

I'm not personally bothered by it, but I do think it's a badly thought out package, and an oversight. Players who put in $100 or more into the game can't get some of the content. It doesn't feel fair, even if it's a small slight. (At least, not for now, as Luke seems to leave the door open for other avenues down the road.)

 

[thelurkinghorror]

When is GAF going to get to the point where "I think it's a fair price, if you can't afford it you should get a better job" is bannable? It's fucking worthless condescending bullshit that does nothing to contribute to any topic.

.

 

[NullPointer]

You can say this about every game ever made that you spend hundreds of hours on.

Those games that I've spent hundreds of hours in have all had a shitton of content. Thats not something I've ever heard said about Destiny.

 

[MechDX]

You can say this about every game ever made that you spend hundreds of hours on.

Destiny is REALLY bad at this. I swear if I have to go to that boring ass planet Mars one more time.....

Truly ironic thing is 90% of the shaders in this game are vomit inducing messes. We are complaining about something we have no idea what it looks like. Bungie:"Maybe we should tell them the new shader is baby poop green and piss yellow? lol"

 

[Deleted member 17706]

40 for the hundreds of hours you all will be treading through these new maps areas game modes raids n looting of items is money well spent and honestly if you really think 40 pounds is a lot may I suggest seeking of better employment rather than posting unheard outrage on a video game forum. End of thread you nerds.

Luke?

If you're someone else, I think you should apply for a PR position at Bungie. You'd fit right in.

 

[Knox]

$40...

The Blizzard way of Expansion..

Which also from Activision.

Go compare the amount of content before throwing Blizzard under the bus.

Weird seeing this from Luke. Like others have mentioned it's the exact kind of PR speak that would have infuriated him during his 1up days. Obviously he's not the one making the decisions and he has to tow the company line, but still weird.

I've been thinking about giving Destiny another try but I can kind of see how that would be an expensive thing to get into with so many $20 and $40 expansions. I'll probably pass.

 

[geordiemp]

For £ 40 I would expect

2 or 3 new planets in addition to Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars

Probably 2 to 3 new races or types of enemy

1 new raid and maybe 5 or 6 new strikes.

3 new subclasses, new guns and armour.

Or basically 2/3 of what we got with Destiny.

1 new location, 1 new race, that is poor.

Raid and strikes seem OK,

I am torn, love Destiny, but Black ops returns with zombies and the new Star wars BF.....and with discounts these new games will be a similar £ 40 price to this destiny DLC....

I can see Bungie loosing customers to competition, £ 40 is just not competitive content

 

[XANDER CAGE]

Given that the collector's is sold out already, is there even a way to get the extra stuff? Or is there a digital version that includes that stuff and the extra unnecessary content people with the season pass/DLC own already?

This whole thing is so confusing, and pretty irritating for me personally given that HoW did a lot to win me back over after I quit when they were pulling this same piss poor PR stuff with the Dark Below announcement.

 

[jett]

Final question on prices -

"Is it also the final question on the emotes?"

I'm not going to mention them again. I can't get them.

"But you can if you buy the Collector's Edition."

How can these words actually come out of someone's mouth.

How.

How can you slap.

 

[KillerSloth]

Those games that I've spent hundreds of hours in have all had a shitton of content. Thats not something I've ever heard said about Destiny.

They have subscriptions and microtransactions, destiny does not.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Publishers control the marketing and distribution of a game. Perhaps Smith really couldn't care less on how much we pay out one way or another, but I doubt that's their decision at Bungie.

However, I don't see why they couldn't make a TTK CE for Activision to put out at maybe $20 less in removing the Destiny Year 1 content. $59.99 for TTK and the CE goods. Not sure where the issue is with that for either party.

On an aside, I do find the interviewer to be looking for a bit of a fight in the second half. Games go down in price over time, so I'm not sure what the issue is with the expansion costing the same as the game currently does. If a game is constantly on sale for $20 a year out, does that mean an expansion, no matter the size, must always be less than that?

Unless it means that 40 quid equates to a bit over $59.99, then I get how bullshit that is. Honestly, that second bit was hard to follow with both of them trying to snark at each other.

 

[IHaveIce]

40 for the hundreds of hours you all will be treading through these new maps areas game modes raids n looting of items is money well spent and honestly if you really think 40 pounds is a lot may I suggest seeking of better employment rather than posting unheard outrage on a video game forum. End of thread you nerds.

Lol coming from the right guy Juices, mr arm chair dev himself.

It is not even about the amount, it is about the reasoning and points they are trying to make and Luke being a complete idiot in this interview.

Luke?

If you're someone else, I think you should apply for a PR position at Bungie. You'd fit right in.

not Luke but plays with him sometimes.

 

[Captain Blood]

I hope they let me buy two copies.

 

[Carl]

I fucking love Destiny but £40 is way too much. And it's completely stupid that people who've been playing since day 1 have to buy the whole thing again if they want the extra emotes and stuff.

500+ hours of Destiny but dunno if I'll buy TTK

 

[No_Style]

What a failure of a response. Luke has become what he used to mock.

This is the first thing that popped into my mind as well. Luke Smith of 1UP days would have ripped this apart.

I can't blame him entirely though; gotta tow the company line.

 

[Vintage]

We're really comfortable with the value we're giving to players

I hope they will be comfortable with $0.0 I'll pay them.

 

[NullPointer]

They have subscriptions and microtransactions, destiny does not.

Oh I wasn't comparing to WoW. I mean your Skyrims and your GTAs and your Warframes.

 

[TheXbox]

They've acclimated users to their egregious pricing model and now people think spending 2/3 of the price of the full game for about 1/3 of the content is acceptable. The $60 for the full game was already a fucking rip off.

 

[stay gold]

Wait this is 40 pounds? Haha..ha, do one Bungie.

 

[Mahonay]

Welp, I guess this is another reason I feel good about selling my copy of Destiny months ago.

 

[Alucrid]

Given that the collector's is sold out already, is there even a way to get the extra stuff? Or is there a digital version that includes that stuff and the extra unnecessary content people with the season pass/DLC own already?

This whole thing is so confusing, and pretty irritating for me personally given that HoW did a lot to win me back over after I quit when they were pulling this same piss poor PR stuff with the Dark Below announcement.

There is a digital collectors edition that costs 80 if I recall correctly. If you bought the game + expansions the only way to get the extra stuff is shell out 80 for that or get the digital upgrade for 40. Others can buy everything sans collector stuff in a 60 pack.

 

[n0razi]

i love me some destiny... but seriously.... screw them

 

[op_ivy]

Luke?

If you're someone else, I think you should apply for a PR position at Bungie. You'd fit right in.

hire juices

 

[Pai Pai Master]

The fact that Bungie still has to work so hard to justify the value proposition of their game tells me that they have learned nothing.

 

[Neuromancer]

Damn, good on Eurogamer for asking the tough questions. I can't believe this is the same Luke Smith from 1Up Yours. He's been completely PRitized.

 

[Zomba13]

I kinda thought for the price it was essentially Destiny 2. Like a huge add on.

I mean, FFXIV Heavensward has just come out (well, tomorrow it comes out for non early access people) and is priced similarly and the amount of content in that is almost comparable to the entire 2.0 version (A Realm Reborn, before patches). You get six huge new areas with flight, 10 levels and 5 new skills for each of the 9 old jobs, 3 new jobs, an entire new story that is roughly the size of the old one but with less filler, a huge amount of new quests, new items etc etc etc.

I mean I know, Destiny isn't an MMO (

Spoiler

but it kinda is)

but still. I expected the game to be more than just one new zone/planet and stuff around the size of the other DLCs that are much cheaper.

And the £40 version doesn't even include the entire game or the previous two DLCs, just the new one? That is insane! I don't think there is £40 worth of content there, not even if you tred out the "you'll be running through it for a year!" shit. Because running the same one raid over and over and over gets boring. That is why other MMOs add them in content patches. You runt hem over and over for loot and all that and just when you're sick of them a new one comes along for you to keep playing.

 

[Strangelove77]

For £ 40 I would expect

2 or 3 new planets in addition to Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars

Probably 2 to 3 new races or types of enemy

1 new raid and maybe 5 or 6 new strikes.

3 new subclasses, new guns and armour.

Or basically 2/3 of what we got with Destiny.

1 new location, 1 new race, that is poor.

Raid and strikes seem OK,

After the last 2 expansions, Destiny players have very low expectations.

Including me since Im still playing it. Ugh.

 

[Dartastic]

Oh Luke Smith, how low you have fallen. If you were still working at 1up back then you wouldn't agree having to this pricing.

If he was still doing work for 1up (RIP) he would have been raging against this something fierce.

1up Luke would tell Bungie Luke to fuck off

Indeed.

 

[VincentMatts]

Don't buy it?

Stop giving developers money if you don't want shit like this to continue. It's pretty simple.

Yes but this is a new low, borderline malpractice if you ask me. So from what i understand, if want some of that content thats only available in that new 99$ version, my digital game that ive already bought becomes utterly useless. This to me is unacceptable. If i could trade my digital game in, i would in a second. Im done with Bungie.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Don't buy it?

Stop giving developers money if you don't want shit like this to continue. It's pretty simple.

I think that's what a lot of people will end up doing, but the whole point of the interview is that the guy *wants* to buy the content, but not in the way Bungie is offering it (effectively forcing him to re-purchase content he already owns for some emotes). He's pointing out that it's unreasonable is all.

 

[KillerSloth]

Oh I wasn't comparing to WoW. I mean your Skyrims and your GTAs and your Warframes.

Those games have 1 big environment...Not sure what your point is? You see 10% of skyrim you have seen it all, there is almost no variation. There is no game that you can play for hundreds of hours and not retread the same areas...especially one without a sub or is filled with pay to win features.

 

[Alienous]

Crazy, the DLC will be worth more than some stores were offering the game on release.

Bungie's business strategy is an ocean away from me too.

I think it's innovative.

They've figured out how to monetize their reputation and good standing with fans, and by Jove they still have some to get through.

You have to squint at your memories to recall a time when they seemed very much like a pro-consumer developer.

 

[MrGreencastle]

I don't see it as a big issue either, but then Destiny has done a good job of making people care about cosmetic things. It's the only game I've ever actually cared about how my character looked. And emotes are a huge part of the way players communicate in Destiny - adding new ones is a not a huge deal, but not a tiny one either.

I'm not personally bothered by it, but I do think it's a badly thought out package, and an oversight. Players who put in $100 or more into the game can't get some of the content. It doesn't feel fair, even if it's a small slight. (At least, not for now, as Luke seems to leave the door open for other avenues down the road.)

Oh no but you CAN get that extra content...

...if you buy the game and it's first two expansion all over again

That'll be $80 for your digital "collector's edition". Base game + 2 expansions you already bought + a couple cosmetics oh yeah and of course the new expansion.

Should have been called "fuck you day 1 players edition".

 

[xxjuicesxx]

At least they didn't give some PR bullshit they said flat out this is what we feel comfortable with. I find it actually pretty fresh. I'm real like that though.

 

[Xpliskin]

 

[OriginalThinking]

40 for the hundreds of hours you all will be treading through these new maps areas game modes raids n looting of items is money well spent and honestly if you really think 40 pounds is a lot may I suggest seeking of better employment rather than posting unheard outrage on a video game forum. End of thread you nerds.

This is some epic trolling.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Here.

The information was a while ago, so it's completely possible they could have added more content since then. They also changed a few things around over the months like pushing back a raid in HoW for a PvP mode.

The rumor at the time was 12 story missions, 3 strikes, one raid, new subclasses, the hive ship area, and a few minor gameplay additions.

That's what I figured you were talking about.

From your own article:

The image, which has apparently been floating around the internet since October

Deej has actually commented on that image. Saying that while it was accurate at the time it was taken (September) it has since lost any credibility. And he said that back in November.

Personally, I use it as a bit of an estimate, but don't assume it's concreted. It's getting more and more inaccurate as more content is being released.

 

[BeforeU]

Absolutely hilarious lmao

Fuck off bungie.