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[SodiumBenzoate]

If each of the $20 content packs had THIS amount of content, the value proposition would actually be defensible.


Right now, it's baffling how they think they are giving their consumers what they pay for. What a disaster of a business model. (although I suppose it's consumer's fault for buying it. I hope most Destiny players have learned better after two expansions with almost nothing at all in them.)




Like someone on the first page said, I can easily see 2007 Luke Smith spending 10 minutes on 1UP Yours on a rant completely destroying the arrogance and idiocy of 2015 Luke Smith.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Forget bloody dance emotes, the truly shocking part is the price.

£40 for an expansion that costs basically as much as the game did on launch.

OR, £55 for the base game, expansion and season pass

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ZF6ZUK4/

 

[sjay1994]

Meanwhile at 343, free DLC for everyone.

Shame to see Bungie sink this low. Everyone used to love them.

Well Bungie released a disappointing game

343 released a disappointing and broken game.

343 is trying to win people back, Bungie has people who are addicted to Destiny.

 

[Socat]

Are people really this salty over some emotes and a sparrow? Seems pretty petty. Now that's not to say that the main issue at hand of TTK being worth the $40 price isn't worth discussing because it absolutely is.

I just feel that the CE exclusive things that you don't get if you don't purchase the CE is perfectly fine because that's the nature of collectors editions.

 

[BokehKing]

If each of the $20 content packs had THIS amount of content, the value proposition would actually be defensible.

Isn't that just your opinion though?
I think I get my money's worth based off the amount of hours I put into the game.

If anything destiny helps me save money because I have no desire to play other games when I play it.

 

[MrGreencastle]

This isn't the first time Destiny has had Collector's Edition exclusives:

My god, look at that amazing content I've missed out on. The horror.

You've completely missed what day 1 players are upset about. Completely.

 

[_woLf]

I feel like he's trying to argue that they made it the way they did specifically to entice current players to blow a ton of money on the CE, whereas that bundle should exist to entice new players to join in. Not the best public face on that kind of thing.

I get what he's trying to say, but he pretty much could not have picked a more snarky, insulting way to say it. Dude needs to take a PR training class.

 

[AkuMifune]

Well Bungie released a disappointing game

343 released a disappointing and broken game.

343 is trying to win people back, Bungie has people who are addicted to Destiny.

Hopefully Treyarch can do a better job with Destiny 2.

Spoiler

I know Bungie ownes the IP. Activision has better lawyers

 

[PistolGrip]

Why did they send Luke Smith to speak to the press? ? Isn't he like a community manager handling forums and things like that?

He seems hostile. This is not a 1UP podcast buddy! This interview is terrible PR.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Everyone should know what to expect from Destiny by now.

 

[sjay1994]

This isn't the first time Destiny has had Collector's Edition exclusives:

My god, look at that amazing content I've missed out on. The horror.

The hilarious thing is if you are actually going to buy the Destiny TTK collectors edition for the first time, you don't get the stuff from the original collectors edition.

Jesus christ, this whole thing is a mess.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

Are people really this salty over some emotes and a sparrow? Seems pretty petty. Now that's not to say that the main issue at hand of TTK being worth the $40 price isn't worth discussing because it absolutely is.

I just feel that the CE exclusive things that you don't get if you don't purchase the CE is perfectly fine because that's the nature of collectors editions.

It's essentially a collectors edition for 1 dlc pack which is stupidity at it's best.

 

[Van Owen]

Why did they send Luke Smith to speak to the press? ? Isn't he like a community manager handling forums and things like that?

He seems hostile. This is not a 1UP podcast buddy! This interview is terrible PR.

Pretty sure he's lead designer now.

 

[T-Rex.]

First and probably the last Bungie game I'll buy. I just can't support this nonsense.

 

[PositronicMan]

So, not to bring up this speculative can of worms, but does anyone suspect that TKK and the previous two "expansions" were really part of the original vanilla version of Destiny?

With all the leaks, jumbled bits of narrative and backtracking, it seems like Activision just chopped up everything and made them release it a year early.

I was thinking about this the other day when you go back into the Vault of Glass in House of Wolves and you're killing oracles. They act like you haven't seen them before. I'm wondering if VoG was ment to be AFTER House of Wolves and they just never changed the voice overs.

I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but all of these bread crumbs seem to add create a smoking gun here.

 

[The Lamonster]

Why did they send Luke Smith to speak to the press? ? Isn't he like a community manager handling forums and things like that?

He seems hostile. This is not a 1UP podcast buddy! This interview is terrible PR.

No, he's a game designer. A community manager actually knows how to talk to the press.

Boggles my mind that they're sending Luke out there and not Urk or Deej.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Is this the same fucking Luke Smith from the old EGM team?

Hard to believe right. How does that Nietzche quote go? "He who bitches about monsters..."

 

[sjay1994]

Why did they send Luke Smith to speak to the press? ? Isn't he like a community manager handling forums and things like that?

He seems hostile. This is not a 1UP podcast buddy! This interview is terrible PR.

He is the creative director of this expansion.

 

[King_Moc]

£40? That's shocking. FFXIV Heavensward can be had for £29 on PS4 and that's an actual proper full on expansion that's had real effort put into it. Not the glorified DLC that's been coming out for this.

 

[Nameless]

The lack of base content coupled with Bungie's handling of the "expansions" is exactly why I quit Destiny in November. They charged $20 for a couple of paltry DLC packs full of recycled content, it shouldn't shock anyone that they're asking twice as much something slightly meatier.

 

[aaronwt]

Microtransactions incoming. Want the new dance emotes? $1.99 each. New shaders? $2.99 each. How about that Ghallarhorn you can't seem to get? Just pay $4.99 and it's all yours! Wow, what great value for our dedicated fan base!

Sounds good to me. I wish they would offer those options.

 

[LifEndz]

What kept me playing destiny all this time was crucible and doing raids on the weekends. But with each dlc thus far there's been a different slap in the face (level up your exotic from scratch and then no raid). I've taken a break from the game because I burned myself out grinding for weapon parts (which wasn't fun) and there are other games to play, a fact that seems lost on Bungie as evidenced by Luke's statement in the OP or any of the shit deej has said ("we'll find your enemies, you find your friends" or "destiny is a game of choice", which was in response to a question about vault space).

With this type of game, they should be enticing current destiny players to stay in the community. Instead, these guys are holding us by our ankles shaking us up and down trying to get every penny that falls out.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

So, not to bring up this speculative can of worms, but does anyone suspect that TKK and the previous two "expansions" were really part of the original vanilla version of Destiny?

With all the leaks, jumbled bits of narrative and backtracking, it seems like Activision just chopped up everything and made them release it a year early.

I was thinking about this the other day when you go back into the Vault of Glass in House of Wolves and you're killing oracles. They act like you haven't seen them before. I'm wondering if VoG was ment to be AFTER House of Wolves and they just never changed the voice overs.

I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but all of these bread crumbs seem to add create a smoking gun here.

Seems rather obvious.

 

[FootieGamer]

£40 for DLC is completely unjustifiable. It's actually angered me a little bit haha

 

[Kalamari]

The only way developers will learn that this kind of shit won't fly is to not buy their games. That and relentlessly complain on the internet.

 

[Homeboyd]

No, he's a game designer. A community manager actually knows how to talk to the press.

Boggles my mind that they're sending Luke out there and not Urk or Deej.

Before this interview, GAF was shoveling dirt on Deej and saying Luke should be the community guy.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Luke has changed, man. :'(

 

[see5harp]

The only reason TTK seems so beefy is because of how anemic the previous DLC packages were. I guess that's one way to get people excited about your DLC.

 

[Lakitu]

So wait, I spent around £45-50 on Destiny.

Destiny the base game includes:
22 missions
6 strikes
4 destinations
1 raid
2 subclasses

By that logic, then if I were to pay £40 for The Taken King it should be:
18 missions
4 strikes
3 destinations
1 raid
2 subclasses

 

[Liha]

The price is way too high and the content is average at best. I really hope that Destiny 2 will not be such a mess.

 

[j-wood]

So, not to bring up this speculative can of worms, but does anyone suspect that TKK and the previous two "expansions" were really part of the original vanilla version of Destiny?

With all the leaks, jumbled bits of narrative and backtracking, it seems like Activision just chopped up everything and made them release it a year early.

I was thinking about this the other day when you go back into the Vault of Glass in House of Wolves and you're killing oracles. They act like you haven't seen them before. I'm wondering if VoG was ment to be AFTER House of Wolves and they just never changed the voice overs.

I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, but all of these bread crumbs seem to add create a smoking gun here.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

 

[The Lamonster]

Before this interview, GAF was shoveling dirt on Deej and saying Luke should be the community guy.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

GAF shovels dirt on everything Destiny. I'm just talking about this particular interview - if EG wants to throw hardballs like this, Bungie should have sent a PR guy and not a designer.

 

[Sticky&Sweet]

Destiny has had such an air of negativity about it since launch.

 

[Emerson]

They did an absolutely horrible job at defending themselves on Giant Bomb last week as well.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

As someone who's played since launch I think I might give this a miss tbqh. Unless they do something about the ridiculous pricing + locked away content.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Is the community still strong for this game? I haven't played it in months. The price for this expansion will likely keep me away for good. PEACE.

 

[Ryuuga]

Has Luke responded to how terrible he comes off in this interview? Sure he's doing his job, but even avid Destiny fans (such as myself) can defend such a disregard for it's fanbase.

 

[Orthogonal]

Given what we know about TTK content wise, $40 isn't too exhorbitant of a price. I'm not terribly bothered by that. I do think it is high enough that Bungie/Activision will be disappointed with sales expectations as it will likely push people on the fence away, but whatever.

The only thing that really upsets me is the few bonus Collector's Edition items that are essentially $40 premium items for anyone who is a Day 1 player. Fuck that shit, I'll take Horse Armor over that.

Has Luke responded to how terrible he comes off in this interview. Sure he's doing his job, but even avid Destiny fans (such as myself) can defend such a disregard for it's fanbase.

He's in a tough spot. This may not be his actual opinion but he has to toe the company line. Probably Activisions doing.

 

[Alucrid]

Is the community still strong for this game?

Well -

I haven't played it in months. The price for this expansion will likely keep me away for good. PEACE.

Oh wait, you don't actually give a shit.

 

[SgtCobra]

Is the community still strong for this game? I haven't played it in months. The price for this expansion will likely keep me away for good. PEACE.

Absolutely.

 

[PositronicMan]

They did an absolutely horrible job at defending themselves on Giant Bomb last week as well.

I'm surprised they brought up Destiny at all. You could tell they were pulling their punches with the dev that was there, and the dev seemed to be genuinely apologetic and understanding. I think Destiny is not in Bungie's hands, period.

 

[fastford58]

Is the community still strong for this game? I haven't played it in months. The price for this expansion will likely keep me away for good. PEACE.

A community of fools with money. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

Destiny complete is more expensive to maintenance than WoW at this point.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

The price is way too high and the content is average at best. I really hope that Destiny 2 will not be such a mess.

People already voted with their wallets. And they'll keep voting for it. What makes you think Activision/Bungie is going to start doing more for the same money, when they've already learned they can do less and people will still buy it?

 

[dripdripsplash]

That was like the worst way ever that you could handle an interview...

 

[NullPointer]

Before this interview, GAF was shoveling dirt on Deej and saying Luke should be the community guy.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

He did pretty well on the Bombcast, and that was under some minor grilling from Jeff. E3 Day 2 podcast I think.

Luke still owes me a steak dinner tho.

 

[see5harp]

Well -



Oh wait, you don't actually give a shit.

Why would he care about doing the same shit over and over again week in and week out?

 

[King_Moc]

So wait, I spent around £45-50 on Destiny.

Destiny the base game includes:
22 missions
6 strikes
4 destinations
1 raid
2 subclasses

By that logic, then if I were to pay £40 for The Taken King it should be:
18 missions
4 strikes
3 destinations
1 raid
2 subclasses

Yeah, but slightly less than that in America because fuck you, apparently.

 

[Nephtes]

Yeah, this interview sealed the deal on me not buying the Taken King.

GG Bungie for helping my wallet out this Fall.

 

[Zok310]

Wow, way to talk me outta buying that shit.
I can spend an extra $19 and get MGSVP in September.

 

[Ushay]

Destiny's entire approach is what disillusioned me from anything Bungie does going forward. Shame because they were the best at what they did.