Bungie defends Destiny: The Taken King's £/$40 price tag (Eurogamer)


I love how he says Bungie is listening to feedback. Man, every single interaction from Bungie includes that phrase. Too bad they dont seem to action upon that feedback all that often and I am not holding my breath that they will this time. When they said they listened to our feedback and things will be different around TDB release and nothing changed, I stopped believing that phrase.

I don't understand why everyone's so upset about the emotes. Let those who want to spend that money on it do so, it's not the end of the world. The fact that exotic class items and emotes exist as bonuses with the package confirms that there'll be many more of them in the actual expansion. Besides, it's not like Luke or Bungie likely had a major part in this decision. It's more mindless Destiny hate.

So the emote thing: since launch players have been asking for ways to customize their guardians, cosmetic wise. There is a dearth of customization components in the game on character creation and absolutely nothing once in game. New emotes was one of the requested and sought after features for Day 1 players and Bungie knows it so they added it to an expensive content pack that, as Luke admitted, Bungie knew hardcore fans would purchase.

As for the the exotic class items: they are no longer relatively useless cosmetic items. Screengrabs show that they confer perks for the wearer, such as bonus reputation gain with the Vanguard. There are also additional shaders, again a cosmetic item for the characters armor, and early access weapon pack that normal purchasers wont get until January 2016, about 3 months after its become useless. On the launch package, getting early access to the weapons and armor helped with the leveling process, so who knows if its worthwhile here for higher level players, but still a crap thing to cut out for longstanding players.

Basically, everything that a Destiny fan/completionist might want or has been asking for is being locked behind an expensive package that ALSO makes the player repurchase content they already own.
 

Sayers

Member
I'm bias, but I thought Luke's response was hilarious.

It seems like the interviewer was trying to pick a fight with Luke over the pricing. Luke is a freaking developer. He designed the Raids for Destiny. He doesn't design the pricing models. Yet the interviewer was insistent on asking him questions unrelated to his field. So Luke decided to have some fun with him.

You can watch another interview with Luke here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHfq7KY1JU4&feature=youtu.be&t=2h35m38s

He's probably the most direct and honest developer I've ever seen. He doesn't sugar coat anything. He just lays it out.

I like how he thinks he's caught Jeff in a contradiction by pointing out that he saw Jeff playing it online occasionally a few months after launch. But anyone who listens to the podcast (as he claims he does) would know Jeff only played it so he would be able to call Brad out whenever he started trying to defend Destiny (while insisting that he wasn't defending Destiny)
 

Ryuuga

Banned
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Cayde-6 did what to his information? Make sure you wear gloves people.
 

jem0208

Member
I don't understand why everyone's so upset about the emotes. Let those who want to spend that money on it do so, it's not the end of the world. The fact that exotic class items and emotes exist as bonuses with the package confirms that there'll be many more of them in the actual expansion.

The problem is that he pretty much said they made those emotes exclusive to force their most dedicated fans to cough up even more money.
 

mocoworm

Member
I don't understand why everyone's so upset about the emotes. Let those who want to spend that money on it do so, it's not the end of the world. The fact that exotic class items and emotes exist as bonuses with the package confirms that there'll be many more of them in the actual expansion.

I think that people are more upset with Luke's blatant disregard for his customers and the hardcore Destiny fans. This has now become more than just emotes and content. That guy should never have been allowed to do that interview.
 

Ghazi

Member
The problem is that he pretty much said they made those emotes exclusive to force their most dedicated fans to cough up even more money.
Again, that was likely an Activision decision. You think they are choosing to make exclusive content for PS4 that actually limits the game?

I think that people are more upset with Luke's blatant disregard for his customers and the hardcore Destiny fans. This has now become more than just emotes and content. That guy should never have been allowed to do that interview.

That I could see, but at the same time, it's not like he could do what people want him to do.
 

Dunlop

Member
Does Luke still have an active GAF account? I wonder if he'll come in and clarify his statements.

Surprised to see so many here not giving him the benefit of the doubt. What do people expect him to say? He's proud of what they've made and probably has his hands tied anyways. People can't expect him to come out against his employerer just because he would have ripped this while at 1UP.

I'm pretty sure Activision and Bungie would abduct him if he was even remotely crazy enough to post here when people's emotions are high
 

Raysod

Banned
First of all people have to realize that Destiny is an MMO and it follows a normal pricing model of any standard modern MMO, that came to the market the last few years, with a price of about 10 dollars/euro per month.

They don’t charge their users per month but per expansion pack which comes to market every 4 months.

I don’t see a rip off price on the expansion, but a lack of communication of the pricing model of Destiny from Bungie to an audience (console gamers) that is not familiar with MMO pricing.

Destiny gamers have to decide if the experiences they get from the game, the content, the fun and the hours spend in the game world deserve the 120 dollars/year price.

All my friends that play Destiny have spend 250+ hours on the game since the launch of the game, so 10 dollars per month on average is not a bad deal (or a rip off) for an average Destiny player. (I don’t play MMOs because they need a huge investment on time – a luxury I don’t have at the moment in my life)

The real rip off though is converting 40 dollars to 40 English pound, the exchange price currently is 0.67 dollars to 1 English pound, so 40 dollars is about 25 pounds.

I really laugh when a main sell point of Bungie executives is that the expansion will have full VOICED cinematics (as any AAA game had the last ten years) and I got annoyed on how Luke Smith answered some of the – well thought – questions.
 

Falcker

Member
How the flying fuck would anyone know what TTK is worth except for Bungie?

Granted when it comes out if the content isn't worth it (asset wise) they deserve to get shit on.

Relax, this is simply "when there's smoke there's fire" situation for a lot of people who have been burnt on the overpriced TDB and HoW DLCS and so far the known information of TTK (1 raid, 1 patrol area) paint the picture of another overpriced "expansion".

People are past giving Bungie the benefit of the doubt, if they wanna squash the doubt they need to get into specifics of what exactly they are selling us.
 

Dirtbag

Member
This same mindset can be applied to anything. It doesn't make you cool to say it here.

Nothing to do with being cool whatsoever. It's just nothing worth getting upset over.
I wish more people would just not buy things, its really the only message that gets through to them.
 

Translation*: "We aren't changing anything, but man, this is a great shader and sparrow. And look at this emblem!"

*I'm a big Destiny fan & even I think this is a crappy situation. One they created and could fix. But here's the thing! Bungie's problem since Day 1 of Destiny isn't listening. It's talking. They wait days and days, then are dismissive. Then they are vague. This happens time and time again, even for things that they're doing right! It's so frustrating.
 
I gave up on Destiny when the first expansion came out. I don't buy season passes, and when they asked for $20 for that little dribble of precum that was The Dark Below, I was done. They certainly haven't done anything to win me back.

Your brother sounds kind of dumb.

You sound like kind of an asshole. You should see if Bungie is hiring.
 

Omega

Banned
When I think of MMO I don't think of 3 player fireteams or 6 man raids.

There's nothing massive about that.
 

KyleP29

Member
Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, in the £80 version you get all this:

TTKBeautyCol.jpg


If we assume you're paying £40 for the expansion, then the other £40 is for all this other stuff. I think it's perhaps a little disingenuous to say they're making you shell out for the game again, as opposed to saying the game is included on the off-chance someone new to Destiny wants to jump in now and likes Limited Edition tat.

Think about it, if they'd decided to charge £80 for this without the base game and first two expansions, would it seem like that scummy a pack? (for the sake of argument let's say you're ok with paying £40 for the TTK)

Poor marketing material then claiming it is for the ultimate fan...who is such a big fan that they don't have the game or dlc right?

Yes i think its safe to say 40 is for the taken king and without the base game and dlc i think 80 for what they are offering is a scummy deal.

I think a solution for this is to offer a second CE for those who already own the game that offers the taken king, the other items in the CE, but instead of the game and DLC you already have offer a season 2 DLC pass for the 2 future DLC packs.

Pull the same trick they did with adding the the dlc with the base game at launch to keep people coming back when dlc releases because they have already paid for it when they likely would not have given how underwhelming the dlc packs have been so far.
 
It's very simple to fix:

Digital - version of TTK alone, no extras

Legendary Digital - TTK, shader, emotes, sparrow, class items, all the trimmings

Retail - Base games, expansions, TTK

Legendary Retail - Base games, expansions, TTK, boxes of bullshit, shader, emotes, sparrow, class items

All we want is this shit without paying for the game twice:

- Emotes (cosmetic)
- Shaders (cosmetic)
- Class items (which may now have armor value?)
- Sparrow (cosmetic)



It really isn't that hard to fix. What am I missing? As long as the Legendary Digital is less than the bullshit with the box, it's less fucked than it is now.
 
Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, in the £80 version you get all this:

TTKBeautyCol.jpg


If we assume you're paying £40 for the expansion, then the other £40 is for all this other stuff. I think it's perhaps a little disingenuous to say they're making you shell out for the game again, as opposed to saying the game is included on the off-chance someone new to Destiny wants to jump in now and likes Limited Edition tat.

Think about it, if they'd decided to charge £80 for this without the base game and first two expansions, would it seem like that scummy a pack? (for the sake of argument let's say you're ok with paying £40 for the TTK)

That edition is sold out already. The only $80 version available is digital only.
 

Tovarisc

Member
I don't understand why everyone's so upset about the emotes. Let those who want to spend that money on it do so, it's not the end of the world. The fact that exotic class items and emotes exist as bonuses with the package confirms that there'll be many more of them in the actual expansion. Besides, it's not like Luke or Bungie likely had a major part in this decision. It's more mindless Destiny hate.

Exclusive to TTK CE
  • Emote x3 (1 / class)
  • Armor shader/dye x3
  • Exotic class item with XP boost build into it x3 (1 / class)

What so called "respected Founders" get?
  • Armor shader/dye
  • Sparrow / bike [I wonder what color they slap this time onto that one model]
  • Emblem

If those were swapped around, CE content for Founders and Founders content to CE, it would make more sense to me. It would actually reward Founders for being veterans since day 1 while giving CE similar digital content package as original CE had.
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
My brother, an AVID AVID Destiny fan, deleted all his 3 characters and deleted the game off his console.

Bungie lost a fan. Bungie (and Activision, and the industry) lost a big fan with this constant bullshit. His response for doing so: "You pay $60 for the game, and then they ask you to do all these chores and bounties and missions for hours and hours to get one item, and then they will rebalance the game and ask you to do the same all over again. They'll release full-priced expansions and expect you to do the same again and again. They expect you to play Destiny for the next 10 years. That's 10 years of my adult life spend on unlocking these artificial items already present in the game locked behind this bullshit that they expect you to pay for, and you have to do this grind to ensure you stay relevant in the competitive gaming. Why can't they just give you everything in the disc, and let you as a player decide which item you want to use?"

I just looked at him say all this and I realized that Bungie and Activision changed a man who would spend hundreds on collectors editions, and buy every single Call of Duty and get all the unique preorder items and bonuses via ebay because some items are hard to get. They changed a blind consumer (I tried telling him all this for so long and he wouldn't care because he wanted it) and literally made him open his eyes.

So yes. He deleted all his fully leveled characters, and made him delete his game.

His last words: "I'm practically done playing games. This nonsense wasn't there on PS3. This is nonsense and is a waste of my time and life."

Good riddance and thank Bungie.
yeah your brother's an idiot, sorry

as much as I despise the modern AAA industry, this is a 100% non issue. Even if you were extremely upset, there's like no benefit to just erasing something you already enjoyed.
 

Truant

Member
What the fuck happened to Luke Smith? I used to dig that dude back in the 1UP Yours days. He would have destroyed shit like this back in the day, yet now he spews it like the worst of them. Pathetic.
 
I'm starting to feel better about 343i handling Halo now.

Although it seems Activision is to blame here, and he doesn't want to/ can't speak against it.
 

pompidu

Member
Said to see one of the most regarded game developers produce what can only be the most disappointing game in many years. Lack of content, over priced dlc, very shallow xp and horrific armor/weapon system made this my most regrettable purchase I've ever made. Super pissed I bought this digital, this actually turned me off from buying full fledged games digitally.
 

golem

Member
What the fuck happened to Luke Smith? I used to dig that dude back in the 1UP Yours days. He would have destroyed shit like this back in the day, yet now he spews it like the worst of them. Pathetic.

Everybody has their price apparently. Except Marty perhaps.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Luke Smith said:
"Well, we have nothing more to talk about regarding your opportunity to spend extra money in Destiny, other than The Taken King and the three versions we've announced."

Ummmmmm this sounds like they might be planning to add microtransactions to the game.... yikes.
 

Lothars

Member
It's very simple to fix:

Digital - version of TTK alone, no extras

Legendary Digital - TTK, shader, emotes, sparrow, class items, all the trimmings

Retail - Base games, expansions, TTK

Legendary Retail - Base games, expansions, TTK, boxes of bullshit, shader, emotes, sparrow, class items

All we want is this shit without paying for the game twice:

- Emotes (cosmetic)
- Shaders (cosmetic)
- Class items (which may now have armor value?)
- Sparrow (cosmetic)



It really isn't that hard to fix. What am I missing? As long as the Legendary Digital is less than the bullshit with the box, it's less fucked than it is now.
Yeah that's how they should do it. Hopefully that's exactly what will happen. I really don't get the outrage of people, I don't think his answers are good but they seem like none answers than anything.
 

robo

Member
Myself and around 7 others mates have played near as damn it the whole year since the game came out, including both dlc, not spending £40 on ttk.

My friends are also not paying that price.

As it stands there were a lot of year one players that don't transfer into a year two player and bungie only have themselves to blame.

I can get a new ps4 game for 40 quid, bungie really need to look at the pricing for this dlc.
 

Defcon_2Fast4u

Neo Member
I lost respect for Bungie when I played Destiny. The game is probably one of the biggest cash grabs in history. I was stupid to buy the ghost edition. Luckily in the end even after using the Season Pass code, I sold the game that September, and sold everything that came in the ghost edition and made a profit some how.

The game is fun, and that is at times.

I purchased it used a couple weeks ago. Beat the expansions in a 4 days. Total time spent was maybe 10 hours. Those ten hours did nothing to expand on the story. It was nothing but repetitive BS.

Returned the game.

Then I hear about a 40$ expansion.

When all this nonsense was, well lets say should have been with the game at launch.

Now they release a collectors edition. People new to the series are not going to go for the collectors edition. It is out there for fans, and those that will buy it regardless.

The game industry is going down hill. Ripping players off left and right.

I advise anyone who is looking for a good game come this September to look into MGSV and Mad MAX. We dozens of titles that are far superior coming out within weeks of the this rerelease.
 

Raysod

Banned
Wrong, MMO's need content first.

The real question is if Destiny (the main game) and its two expansions (The Dark Below and House of Wolves) provided enough content for players to justify its asking price as an MMO game.

Judging from my friends and people on my friends list (on PS4) all they play most of the time is Destiny. They pause for a few days to play a new released game now and then and after they finish with it it’s back to Destiny.

And I am not defending Bungie in any way here (although in my mind it is a company that never rips of its fan base and it always listens to fan feedback - and I follow them since the Myth games), I just write my opinion about the pricing model of the game.
 

Lothars

Member
You sound like kind of an asshole. You should see if Bungie is hiring.
Nope it seems like his brother overreacted and he did a dumb move but that's on him.

Destiny needs more content but it's also one of the best experiences I've ever had in gaming and I would tell anyone to give it a try.
 

janoDX

Member
Bungie please convince me to buy it, do not scare me away from buying it.

I'm still buying MGSV:TPP on September over this DLC.
 
It's very simple to fix:

Digital - version of TTK alone, no extras

Legendary Digital - TTK, shader, emotes, sparrow, class items, all the trimmings

Retail - Base games, expansions, TTK

Legendary Retail - Base games, expansions, TTK, boxes of bullshit, shader, emotes, sparrow, class items

All we want is this shit without paying for the game twice:

- Emotes (cosmetic)
- Shaders (cosmetic)
- Class items (which may now have armor value?)
- Sparrow (cosmetic)



It really isn't that hard to fix. What am I missing? As long as the Legendary Digital is less than the bullshit with the box, it's less fucked than it is now.



THIS SO FUCKING HARD.


If you're listening Bungie, then fucking listen.
 

Zemm

Member
How far Bungie have fallen.

£40 is a disgrace. I bought Batman and the season pass for less, I paid £20 less for The Witcher 3.

These guys were just as shilly on the giantbomb E3 podcast - 'I don't have a good answer for that price question' lol, awful.
 

lt519

Member
The XP boost makes sense to give to newcomers since they may not want to play through the Destiny base campaign to catch up to everyone x3. This'll get them them on an even playing field faster, where they won't quit before they even reach the new content. I wouldn't swap the gifts, the new players (or returning players that skipped the first two expansions) will need it, the base game isn't all that interesting.

It's just a shame they don't offer it to year 1 players as well, it literally costs them nothing to give it to us and would have bought them a ton of good will. Now it's basically too late. Anything they do to correct the problem is going to be spun by the players as correcting a wrong. It'll no longer be a cool gesture just done for us by Bungie (which the emblems, sparrow, and shaders were but now have been overshadowed).

I agree with them not making it separate DLC, that's admirable, because it's a slippery slope and I don't think they want to go down there (armor, weapons, shaders, etc as paid DLC). Edit: But yes a cheaper Legendary edition would be good, like $50. It's a small difference than selling individual items but important.

nvm not worth the argument
 
With that pricing it really seems like Bungie are taking all of their active player base for suckers. 2/3 the price of a full game. Somehow, I doubt they will include an amount of content that is equivalent to 2/3 of a full, brand new game.
 

Lothars

Member
Then I hear about a 40$ expansion.

When all this nonsense was, well lets say should have been with the game at launch.

Now they release a collectors edition. People new to the series are not going to go for the collectors edition. It is out there for fans, and those that will buy it regardless.

The game industry is going down hill. Ripping players off left and right.
Now your talking out of your ass, they should have the collectors edition stuff avilable for year one players for cheap.

The game industry isn't going downhill and the hyperbole from your post is insane.
 

Rsinart

Member
I love destiny, hell I still get on every Tuesday and play for 5-6 hours. That all said I am really disappointed in having to pay 40$ for the new expansion. I've been playing since the alpha, would be nice to see that dropped to 25$. For 40$ I'd like alot more game play content then fighting the same guys in the same areas over and over. I don't think one new section, a new sub class, and a shader and sparrow is gonna be enough for me to pay more to play considering all the other games coming out.
 

Kei-

Member
I'm starting to feel better about 343i handling Halo now.

Although it seems Activision is to blame here, and he doesn't want to/ can't speak against it.

I don't understand why Activision is to blame. If Bungie didn't want their game to turn out like this, they wouldn't have agreed to Activision's terms, and found a different publisher. Obviously they didn't like what Microsoft was proposing. Don't know if they ever got to pitch Destiny to MS, or if they just didn't like that Microsoft only wanted them to work on Halo. Also, I believe they wanted to own the IP, don't know if that's still the case with Destiny, or of Activision owns it.

Additionally, aren't there microtransactions in Halo 5? This doesn't only pertain to you, but others I've seen in this thread who made comments like 'I bet they wish they stayed with MS' or something similar. As if Activision is making them do these "evil" things, and Microsoft wouldn't have asked them to include ways to monetise Destiny, like they are doing with Halo 5.

In any case, Bungie is not some victim here, they made a choice.
 
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