Bungie defends Destiny: The Taken King's £/$40 price tag (Eurogamer)

Not only am I buying it. I'm thinking about repurchasing the whole thing for the replica strange coin.

Yup. I'm part of the problem.

Why does Bungie get a pass when I'm extremely critical of other companies? I don't know. I just know that I love playing Destiny, and I appreciate the work that Bungie has done to fix some of the weak areas, of which there are many, but not enough to bother me too much when the base game is so great.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I wonder if they really have something awesome in storage as they have already underlined few times how "Founders" will get emblem, shader, sparrow and nothing else, as their reward for being there since day 1.
I believe they have.

They are saying year 1 player will get big things since HoW release... so it was something already planned.

My beat is that one of the things is the new Exotic HC.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
lol i guess i'm kind of biased because luke is my boy but what do you expect him to say? the value of this expansion will be determined in due time. just because you may think it's a rip off doesn't mean it's a rip off. some people would call a game like madden garbage and overpriced at $60 but i get 100+ hours of playtime each year out of it. same with games like Destiny, witcher, etc. i know people who have literally put hundreds of hours into Destiny and enjoy it so i'm not sure where the issue is.

i guess if you think DLC shouldn't be $40 then that's your opinion and i'm sure the price will be cut if this expansion sells like shit. however, somehow i'm expecting it to sell pretty well given the popularity of Destiny
The problem is, if you don't know that Luke can be a dick at times, then all you see is someone being an asshole to the interviewer. I'm sure there's a boring, dry way to say the exact same thing that doesn't offend anyone.
 

III-V

Member
What MMO at launch has a comparable amount of co tent as Dedtiny?

Answer: Almost any MMO has 3 times the amount of content at launch including NPC's that have 'dialogue' and 'sidequests' a 'story' and some 'lore'.

I feel like Chris Farley Down By the River here.
 

MSI

Banned
I like Destiny but even I feel like I need to take a long break from it. I haven't even done most of whats in the 2nd expansion pack. If I ever buy this expansion it'll be when its $15-20 or less.
 

darthbob

Member
I wonder if they really have something awesome in storage as they have already underlined few times how "Founders" will get emblem, shader, sparrow and nothing else, as their reward for being there since day 1.

That's not entirely accurate.

From the Destinythegame.com TTK product page for VIP/Founders:
AS A THANK YOU TO OUR MOST LOYAL FANS WHO HAVE REACHED LIGHT LEVEL 30 OR WHO PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED EXPANSION I AND EXPANSION II BY AUGUST 31, 2015, YOU WILL RECEIVE AN EXCLUSIVE COMMEMORATIVE FOUNDER’S FORTUNE YEAR 1 EMBLEM, SPARROW, ARMOR SHADER AND MORE AT LAUNCH WITH YOUR PURCHASE OF THE TAKEN KING.

Note the 'and more'. I guess we'll find out Thursday.
 

border

Member
I didn't realize the Collector's Editions were already sold out.

Damn, I was actually considering buying one. No way in hell am I coughing up $80 for the digital version though. It's bizarre that they want the same price for the digital edition that comes with absolutely none of the extra goodies.
 

Yoday

Member
First of all people have to realize that Destiny is an MMO and it follows a normal pricing model of any standard modern MMO, that came to the market the last few years, with a price of about 10 dollars/euro per month.

They don’t charge their users per month but per expansion pack which comes to market every 4 months.

I don’t see a rip off price on the expansion, but a lack of communication of the pricing model of Destiny from Bungie to an audience (console gamers) that is not familiar with MMO pricing.

Destiny gamers have to decide if the experiences they get from the game, the content, the fun and the hours spend in the game world deserve the 120 dollars/year price.

All my friends that play Destiny have spend 250+ hours on the game since the launch of the game, so 10 dollars per month on average is not a bad deal (or a rip off) for an average Destiny player. (I don’t play MMOs because they need a huge investment on time – a luxury I don’t have at the moment in my life)

The real rip off though is converting 40 dollars to 40 English pound, the exchange price currently is 0.67 dollars to 1 English pound, so 40 dollars is about 25 pounds.

I really laugh when a main sell point of Bungie executives is that the expansion will have full VOICED cinematics (as any AAA game had the last ten years) and I got annoyed on how Luke Smith answered some of the – well thought – questions.
I agree. I never had an issue with the pricing of this expansion, but I did have an issue with how suddenly they dropped the price of everything else combined to the price of just one of their lacking DLC packs. However, as I took a step back and looked at it from an MMO perspective it made a bit more sense as all of that content is going to be largely ignored now, and if you think of the price of their content as including subscription fees it isn't so bad. They really need to step up how much content they are delivering if they want this to remain a viable model. Once TTK comes out at $40 they are going to have a very hard time charging $20 for the DLC packs if they continue to offer as little as they do.

All of that said, what I absolutely can not get behind is forcing people to re-purchase content that they already own in order to get CE bonus items. No other MMO does that, and quite frankly it is a disgusting practice. I understand that they want this to be a new jumping in point for people, and they don't want to have to make a second physical CE that just includes the expansion, but they need to do something. This whole mess is easily fixable by offering a paid digital CE add-on pack for anyone that owns TTK. EA does this with their games, as they offer a $10 deluxe edition upgrade pack that allows anyone who bought the standard game to get the deluxe edition items. Blizzard also does the same thing with their digital CE content. There is simply no reason other than greed to force people to buy content they already own in order to get a few bonus items. I have to imagine they are going to offer some way around this by the time the game launches, but the fact that this is something that happened to begin with is quite disturbing. They either didn't see the outrage coming, or they anticipated it and didn't care. Either way it shows a lack of respect towards their loyal players.
 

LifEndz

Member
Dear Lord Bungie my isssue here isn't the damn emotes it's that you want €40 for this when it seems like the same or less content than you already hit me for. Worse I had to suffer through your growing pains at meta design with hours of fruitless grinding and bugs that wasted hours in the games best content the raid. Hell each DLC has had to gut the item crafting and buying systems, each damn one. If Deej's blog post isn't about a discount for folks who have the game right now they'll never see my money.

My feelings exactly.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
Is he serious with this comment? That's not a valid defense on the pricing of Destiny DLC , it's being defensive about the pricing on Destiny DLC.

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He was answering a question about whether you could buy extra stuff in Destiny later on. He said he can't talk about anything along those lines other than the current expansion on the radar. I don't think that's an unreasonable response.
 
"Well, we have nothing more to talk about regarding your opportunity to spend extra money in Destiny, other than The Taken King and the three versions we've announced."

Wait, what? Either I'm too sensitive today or those are some rough words to use in pr.
 
I sincerely hope the Destiny supporters aren't using the MMO moniker for Destiny now. Before the game even released I called it an MMO and was ridden out of threads by the "faithful" for even suggesting it.

Destiny has all the hooks or a grindy MMO but with only part of the content. WoW at release had so much more content than Destiny it's embarrassing to even try to compare them.
 
Deej responses:

Here

http://m.imgur.com/ThlWItx

And here


http://imgur.com/VjOIcEi

That damage control

Also hi guys, first post!

Holy shit. Did he just try to use eBay flipping to frame the "value" they're offering?

ThlWItx.png

This fucking guy. Can't believe some people actually like him.
 
Not only am I buying it. I'm thinking about repurchasing the whole thing for the replica strange coin.

Yup. I'm part of the problem.

Why does Bungie get a pass when I'm extremely critical of other companies? I don't know. I just know that I love playing Destiny, and I appreciate the work that Bungie has done to fix some of the weak areas, of which there are many, but not enough to bother me too much when the base game is so great.

The future dead video game industry thanks you.

...



OK. That may be overdramatic but.... telling companies that this shit isn't ok is probably worth more than the fun you'll have playing this. But that's just my $0.02.
 

Trasher

Member
he could have given much better answers, instead he flat out put a brick wall up.
So this justifies calling him a 'cunt'?

He gave as much info as I'm sure he was allowed to give per Activision/Bungie. Just because he's creative director doesn't mean he can say whatever he wants.
 

border

Member
Holy shit. Did he just try to use eBay flipping to frame the "value" they're offering?

I think it's more "Sorry you don't see any value in this, but obviously other people do. If you are wondering why it costs $80, it's because thousands of people will pay $80 --- and possibly quite more than that."
 

darthbob

Member
I think it's more "Sorry you don't see any value in this, but obviously other people do. If you are wondering why it costs $80, it's because thousands of people will pay $80 --- and possibly quite more than that."

Precisely how I read it.

Pretty sure my eyes rolled all the way back afterward.
 

Camwi

Member
Really dickish response about the exclusive CE content. There's really no excuse for that bullshit and he knows it.
 

Bry0

Member
The damage control is just pissing more people off haha.
What a ride this is. Watch it be a bonus gun or something.
 
Most modern MMOs in their release year are very poor at the provided content. The same principle applies in Destiny and it is typical of any MMO – even the legendary World of Warcraft was poor on content at its launch.

The players are consuming the available content in a matter of hours (30-100 hours depending on the game) and the development team does not have the needed time to develop more content as they need months to produce something. (Especially now that in Bungie they develop for four different platforms – 360, One, PS3 and PS4 – and have their development resources divided between the platforms)

Even with the limited content in the first year, MMOs had far far more content than Destiny. More classes. More NPCs. More explorable area. More quests. I'm basing this on some of the MMOs I've played at launch: Guild Wars 2, The Old Republic, Star Wars Galaxies, City of Heroes, Anarchy Online.

Seriously, how many zones worth of content would you say Destiny had at launch? Didn't it only have like 4 "zones": Earth, Moon, Venus, and Mars.

Edit: Just to check, I picked Star Wars Galaxies to see how many planets it shipped with. Oh, and I am pretty sure that a SWG planet was far bigger than a Destiny planet.
The game launched with 10 planets: Tatooine, Naboo, Corellia, Talus, Rori, Dantooine, Lok, Yavin IV, the forest moon of Endor, and Dathomir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies
 

Jetman

Member
I'm not sure what people are expecting? Would you rather him come out and blast the pricing and lose his job?

Maybe we can all pretend to be mature and realize that this was a PR piece and that's what he has to do.

OR, maybe he truly believes its worth the money and as we don't have the full information can maybe take him at his word...I dunno.

OR if it's his job to promote his product publicly maybe he can do his best to be as transparent as possible on the reasons behind the pricing model. I don't play anymore, but a lot of fans might like to get feedback from the company to assuage whether this content is worth that price point and why aspects of the content can't be split up for Collector options. Maybe some people aren't "superfans" of Destiny who buy everything with the name on it. Some might fall into a middle class category, be curious about the content but not want to pay that much for it.
That's the purpose of these interviews is inform the public. But, whatever - they'll make enough money from this. That's all they're worried about. Until Destiny 2 comes out, and all of this shit will be remembered by the community.
 
Bungie sure is working hard to get me to give up on destiny and just tell them to fuck right the hell off with their crap.

Hey Deej,

Does the bonus for the longtime fans include an apology for the utter shit story in the base game? The incredible insult to players' time that was TDB upgrade system?

I don't know who's pulling what strings over there, but I hope you get it sorted out fast, or see sales plummet in response.
 

Falchion

Member
Really dickish response about the exclusive CE content. There's really no excuse for that bullshit and he knows it.

I hate deej, his whole persona and the way he treats and reacts to the community I would describe as dickish.
 
Want to guess what Bungie had planned to give the Year One players that's even better than what's included in the Collector's Edition?

Absolutely nothing...until the uproar started.

Whatever Deej tells us on Friday we're getting was decided on internally this week.
 
Was it just me or did this guy sound very condescending?

He sounded almost insulted that people were asking about this exclusive content and high expansions price.

Well, this just solidifies why I didn't buy the game after the beta ended and why I hve no plans to do so in the future.

And the little jab about foreign currency was unnecessary.
 
Ho-ho-holy shit. This fucking guy indeed.

I keep rereading it thinking I'm missing something, because if I'm not, holy shit.

Hey now, be easy on Deej. I'm sure there are tons of people out there that would pay good money for a hot turd too. See, it's all relative value.
 
And just for the record, Deej, saying that so-and-so edition is "sold out" means absolutely nothing when the entire edition is a retailer exclusive.

Such rubbish.
 

Homeboyd

Member
Want to guess what Bungie had planned to give the Year One players that's even better than what's included in the Collector's Edition?

Absolutely nothing...until the uproar started.

Whatever Deej tells us on Friday we're getting was decided on internally this week.
Just wrong. All of this is wrong.
 

Walpurgis

Banned
Most modern MMOs in their release year are very poor at the provided content. The same principle applies in Destiny and it is typical of any MMO – even the legendary World of Warcraft was poor on content at its launch.

The players are consuming the available content in a matter of hours (30-100 hours depending on the game) and the development team does not have the needed time to develop more content as they need months to produce something. (Especially now that in Bungie they develop for four different platforms – 360, One, PS3 and PS4 – and have their development resources divided between the platforms)

This is the main reason why developers of MMOs use various mechanisms to artificially expand the amount of time a player spends on the available content. For example they make their players to do the same missions/quests again and again, they put limits on loot, they use raids etch

All of the complaints I read on this thread are coming from people that never played a real MMO game before – because if they had experience with MMOs they would automatically identify the similar mechanics/designs/price model of the MMO genre - and Destiny was obviously their first entry on the genre.

I place the fault to Bungie for not communicating exactly what game Destiny was (I still remember their fake statements that it would have a - greater than Halo - single player campaign, the main reason that I did not buy Destiny in the end), what they wanted to achieve with the game, and for not explaining to the console users how the game would function going forward into the future (I mean the game as a service model).

This is why Bungies false strategy is backfiring at the moment and people get angry with Destiny.

Anyway I don’t think that Destiny will lose lots of players with this move, it follows a standard MMO pricing model and experienced MMO players and players that play with their friends and enjoy the game will continue to support it.

It took most people at least 360 hours to consume all of WoW's content at launch, that's not counting end game content, of course. Destiny didn't even launch with enough content to be comparable to an Assassin's Creed game and Black Flag was on all of the platforms that you mentioned + PC. Reading your post, it honestly sounds like Destiny was your first MMO because I can't see any other way you could think that its amount of content is comparable to other MMOs.
 
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