GrantDaNasty
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Sounds about right to me. But I doubt it'll ever be that simple.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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Sounds about right to me. But I doubt it'll ever be that simple.
She is bigger than both the guys to the right of her and the girl to the left. She isn't some petite little thing.
She doesn't look tiny and feeble that's for sure. Her frame and build actually reminds me of Ronda Rousey, though obviously it's hard to tell from the footage we have.
Sun Bather
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I don't support violence in any way, both did wrong here. As punishment I think they should both be whipped by a neutral.
I understand the comments about men assaulting women and I do agree, but it works both ways in this day and age. For example, I had some drunk woman start yelling at me on the train about a seat. Whatever it's just a seat but she was claiming I should let her have the seat. No. Then she said she will punch me and there is nothing I can do about it.
I'm sorry, darling, but if you think I won't hit you because you're a woman you're wrong. If you want to mouth off and attack me, fine, but I will fucking deck you in self defence.
I'm sorry, darling, but if you think I won't hit you because you're a woman you're wrong. If you want to mouth off and attack me, fine, but I will fucking deck you in self defence.
I didn't see in the video where she supposedly kneed him. I did see where she raised her fist and he grabbed it and held it. He was also grabbing her other arm and pushing her back when she swung and missed so its not like her punch attempt was unprovoked.
Nobody knows what was said between them or what really started it but it escalated due to alcohol and ego. My opinion is the QB could have backed off at some point and walked away but didn't. Ray Rice's girlfriend hit him and spit at him before he Dbo'd her in the elevator and nobody cut him any slack. I fail to see how this is different.
Nobody knows what was said between them or what really started it but it escalated due to alcohol and ego. My opinion is the QB could have backed off at some point and walked away but didn't. Ray Rice's girlfriend hit him and spit at him before he Dbo'd her in the elevator and nobody cut him any slack. I fail to see how this is different.
FleckSplat
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Just walk away when shit like that happens. He shouldn't have lowered himself to such behavior. He overreacted.
Paracelsus
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The body thing is preposterous, men and women of same body structure and height still don't punch with the same force on average, and he's a 6ft, 177lbs man whose job is run and avoid getting his guts tackled in. That's what I don't understand: you're mad, okay, of all the rude and violent things in the world, you immediately punch people in the head.
helloresolven
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Those rules don't apply to football players at college bars.
Anyways, it's hard to know what's going on in the beginning before she raises her right fist, but once she did that and he grabbed her wrist, it played out about how you'd expect.
Sho_Nuff82
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He didn't knock her out. Watch the video, she's visibly upset but she never even loses her footing.
Yup. Bunch of Stephen A Smiths in this thread.
Liamario
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If you haven't watched the video, you should. She started provoking him, by saying something, he then squeezed his way in like what she had done to him.
She threatens to punch him and then he grabbed her hand. She then throws a punch and he returns the favour.
There are two of them to blame in it and she should be charged just like him. Just because she came out the worst from it, it doesn't mean she's innocent.
Exactly.
She threatens to punch him and then he grabbed her hand. She then throws a punch and he returns the favour.
There are two of them to blame in it and she should be charged just like him. Just because she came out the worst from it, it doesn't mean she's innocent.
Exactly.
You got that wrong, Ray Rice spat at his wife and 100% instigated that fight.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports
PrimaNocta
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He should have walked away but I understand his reaction, though a smack would have been suffice. Women can't go around swinging on men & expect them not to retaliate. I have never hit a woman, but if I were to get punched in the face by one I would probably smack her back. Especially if it's true she tried to knee him in the groin & called him a ni**er.
Don't put your hands on me & you'll get the same respect.
Don't put your hands on me & you'll get the same respect.
? She turns and faces him first before he's even really looked at her, and by the time he does face her, she's already pushing him back with her left arm and with her right arm raised in a fist. When he grabs her, he's removing her hand off of him and her clenched fist and forces her away from him.
I don't think it's ok to hit someone. But besides that, I don't think she's the innocent victim here.
If you look closely you can see in the beginning that he's trying to get to the bar, then she suddenly pushes in front of him to get the free spot at the bar before him.
While he tries to get that free spot on the left side where that other girl is slowly getting away from she's constantly pushing him away from the bar. Next thing is she's raising her fist and obviously threatening him. And then things escalate...
Again, it's not ok to hit someone. But with her attitude and agressiveness towards him and a guy that rather uses force than his brain to solve problems she could have seen this comming...
If you look closely you can see in the beginning that he's trying to get to the bar, then she suddenly pushes in front of him to get the free spot at the bar before him.
While he tries to get that free spot on the left side where that other girl is slowly getting away from she's constantly pushing him away from the bar. Next thing is she's raising her fist and obviously threatening him. And then things escalate...
Again, it's not ok to hit someone. But with her attitude and agressiveness towards him and a guy that rather uses force than his brain to solve problems she could have seen this comming...
TheOohChild
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A lady would pretty much need to come at me with a knife in order for me to do something like that. But that was just a limp-wristed sorority girl arm punch.
andthebeatgoeson
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http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/07/florida-state-bar-fight-she-called-me-the-n-word-qb-claims/
He claims she was flippy with the n*ggy.
I can't even digest this whole incident.
He claims she was flippy with the n*ggy.
I can't even digest this whole incident.
Brianimaniac
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Regardless of who should or shouldn't have done what in that situation, what I don't get is the amount of people that watch the video and come away with a completely incorrect account of the events. Call your optometrists, people.
...never heard that one before
BronzeWolf
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Both are in the wrong and should be charged accordingly
Consider these scenarios
1. Person A goes to person B and punches B in the face. Fault is in person A only
2. A argues with B and punches B in the face. Fault is in A only.
3. A argues with B. A leaves. B follows to continue arguing. A punches B in the face. Fault is in both A and B. This is called "looking for a fight"
4. A argues with B. B threatens to harm A. Person A forcefully restrains Person B. Fault is in person A but mitigated by instigation.
5. Person A argues with B. B hits A with force. A responds with more force and restrains B. Fault is in both A and B.
This is not white and black. There are grey areas. For example, a person finding his SO cheating on him and responding violently will get mitigation on his case.
Consider these scenarios
1. Person A goes to person B and punches B in the face. Fault is in person A only
2. A argues with B and punches B in the face. Fault is in A only.
3. A argues with B. A leaves. B follows to continue arguing. A punches B in the face. Fault is in both A and B. This is called "looking for a fight"
4. A argues with B. B threatens to harm A. Person A forcefully restrains Person B. Fault is in person A but mitigated by instigation.
5. Person A argues with B. B hits A with force. A responds with more force and restrains B. Fault is in both A and B.
This is not white and black. There are grey areas. For example, a person finding his SO cheating on him and responding violently will get mitigation on his case.
Ray Wonder
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Huh, I'm completely on his side if true. He was both verbally and physically getting attacked.
andthebeatgoeson
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It is Florida. When I went to school there, I got a late night phone call at 1am.
The voice said, 'You niggers think you are taking over?'
There is a special breed of racism there.
If anything, this video proves he shouldn't be charged. Or both should be charged. Two guys get into a fight and what happens? And I get to side with MRAs. Anybody got soap?
I just meant "flippy with the n*ggy"... That was a new one.
I hear ya though. That sucks.
old manatee
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1) acting like Florida has any more racism than any other southern state is silly. I know Florida is a typical punching bag, but your point is muted by such an unfounded statement.
2) he still put his hands on her first. It doesn't matter what she said, you can't just put your hands on her like that.
Um, nobody is glorifying or defending him.
Okay, almost nobody is defending this piece of shit.
Nailed it, but wait.. I really thought you were a Duke fan this whole time.
The gifs in OT dont show everything that happen in the bar. Seems like click bait when he actually tap the black chick before hand and she was able to move by just fine but the white chick felt she needed to block dude from getting to that spot at the bar when he was trying to squeeze by.
Because violence is the only way to deal with it when you have twice the strength of the other person?
BronzeWolf
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The thing is... it does matter. He will still be charged, but there will be mitigating circumstances. The issue is that it will be very difficult for him to prove that she said what he says she did. Everybody is inebriated and I am sure the room was noisy.
White woman always in the right syndrome it seems. She will get off no issues as usual.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Equal treatment in society doesn't come with an asterisk and any adult, no matter how big or small, should accept responsibility for their actions even when those actions have negative outcomes for themselves. This woman became physically aggressive over an incident that happens nightly at basically every bar in the world. She raised a clenched fist, shoved this guy, and struck him in the face. She also allegedly used racial epithets and kneed him in the groin. The proportionality of his response does not change any of those facts and the question of proportionality is ridiculous in itself given that I'm sincerely skeptical that it would even be part of the discussion if this altercation had involved the man sitting to her right rather than the woman herself.
BadMediaKarma
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How do we know he has twice her strength?
FreddieQuell
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Agreed, the video shows how confrontational she was at the very beginning.
Amory
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Convenient that all of his claims are not verifiable (use of the N word, being kneed in the groin), but his shot heard round the world is quite clear.
Personally I think he's probably full of shit and trying to save at least his reputation, if not his college football career.
I don't care if you're big football player guy you can't just put your hands on someone and move them away from the bar. Seems to me that he started the altercation (at least from the OP) by initiating contact. She's clearly an asshole too, but some people need to just move on and stop escalating shit.
Neverforget
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Funny how you call him a young man while you call her a woman. You either against double standard or you aren't.
He ruined his career by himself, he decide to punch her back instead of walking away. I'm from an ethnic minority as well and I've had racist comments thrown at me even in work environment, but I've never used violence to resolve the issue.
Both of them are wrong and overacted. If I was in the same situation I would've walked away from the start, there is no point in getting into a fight or argue with an idiot over a drink.
he doesn't
At best she will be kicked out of school while still able to go to another local university...
While dude is kicked off the team and may get a chance to play for a DII school. I mean he wasnt going to be a star at FSU but he did have everything paid for while he was attending school.
How does it matter...at all?
IISANDERII
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What made her suddenly turn her attention to him? Did he grab her ass?
She is bigger than both the guys to the right of her and the girl to the left. She isn't some petite little thing.
you can see both his hands in that gif
seems like he just bumped into her and she went into a hissy fit
Clearly he didn't, because both of his hands are on the bar at the time she turns to face him.
But anything to make him the asshole, right?
Looks like he does to me. She was just trying to keep her position at the bar. I do have some sympathy for this dude because she looked like she was looking for a reason to hit him but he shouldn't have escalated to a physical altercation by grabbing her.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
He's at a bar trying to squeeze to the open spot. Everyone who has been to a bar a few times has been there. You have to picture yourself in that situation. Trying to get to the bar when no one will move. You push a little bit. It's just common in a bar. I see nothing wrong with any of it until she turns and puts her arm up.
Maybe if he has a third arm. His right hand is touching the bar, she initiates the turn, he turns with her, removes his hand, and then his left hand appears on the bar.
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