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[Bob White]

In bvs the destruction of mos is the plot device. It is retroactively acknowledging the very complaint you have about the destruction

You are correct. They are doing it after the fact. Doesn't change that their writing team and vision for the movie included such a stupid and sloppy Superman. Knowing Goyer and Snyder, that action scene was just meant for "look how cool this is" and not for a showcase on how Superman didn't understand the scope of the destruction he could cause.

And before you're all like "well, this new movie acknowledges this!" how about the old movie? Where, after all that destruction, the world seems to forget about it as Clark happily rides his bike through the city?

That shows Goyer and Snyder never planned to have that battle hold any substance more than the derp action figures bashing into each other.

That's why people are still not sold on this movie. If the minds behind the first one could drop the ball so hard, who knows how this one will turn out. Trailer be damned.

 

[OléGunner]

The fuck is wrong with you?

This is the best comic book suit ever put on film, no question.

It's just my opinion. It's the worst Batman has ever looked.

I don't like it compared to previous suits especially Nolan's.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

You are correct. They are doing it after the fact. Doesn't change that their writing team and vision for the movie included such a stupid and sloppy Superman. Knowing Goyer and Snyder, that action scene was just meant for "look how cool this is" and not for a showcase on how Superman didn't understand the scope of the destruction he could cause.

And before you're all like "well, this new movie acknowledges this!" how about the old movie? Where, after all that destruction, the world seems to forget about it as Clark happily rides his bike through the city?

That shows Goyer and Snyder never planned to have that battle hold any substance more than the derp action figures bashing into each other.

That's why people are still not sold on this movie. If the minds behind the first one could drop the ball so hard, who knows how this one will turn out. Trailer be damned.

But how would you know if this wasn't planned after all ?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

The 'phantom' stroking Superman's face kind of sold me on this Lex. Then "The red capes are coming" unsold me. But I like a manipulative Lex who wants Superman to bow before him. He just gets off on getting the strongest being on the planet to heed his command.

Hopefully he goes bald sooner rather than later.

I don't mind the Red Capes are Coming line. It has some historical weight behind it or maybe I'm over thinking it and they thought it was just a cool line.

I do love Superman bowing before Lex though, I just hope it's not a what if scenario like the Superman Soldiers allegedly are.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I can't wait to see how he loses his hair and find out what the deal with him stroking Superman's face is...

Ha that might be the best part of the movie.

 

[Bracewell]

But how would you know if this wasn't planned after all ?

If it was planned from the get-go, it was clumsily executed. Why have Man of Steel reviled for the destruction porn without giving audiences a hint of what you want to do in Batman v. Superman?

It wasn't planned.

The first Iron Man and The Winter Soldier, off the top of my head.

If we need to narrow it down to a superhero movie featuring a red-caped alien who can fly, the first Thor wasn't half bad either.

 

[northead]

So which movie with a person with superpowers is better ? Of all superhero movies mos is the best one

The first Iron Man and The Winter Soldier, off the top of my head.

 

[BTM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULSvR6hhyI

Batman didn't kill him, he just chose not to save him.

 

[Caja 117]

Lex is supposed to be genius. D'Onforio can sell evil, corruption and sleaze. But genius? I don't see it.

Guess you havent seen him in Law & Order: Criminal Intent.

The first Iron Man and The Winter Soldier, off the top of my head.

Person with super powers he said, so Iron Man doesnt qualify. And Cap barely.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Opinions are that guardians is actually a not so good movie the dark knight trilogy is not a SUPERhero movie like superman is and yes in terms of superheroes with superpowers MoS is the best movie, better than any other SUPERHERO movie.

So just because Batman doesn't have any SUPERpowers he's not a SUPERHERO?

The fuck am i reading?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Ha that might be the best part of the movie.

Right?

Seeing someone so powerful on his knees in front of this gimpy looking guy. I cannot wait to find out what's going in that scene. I'm not going to let my expectations run wild, but the minimum I expect is for Lex to have manipulated Superman into that position...

 

[cackhyena]

It's just my opinion. It's the worst Batman has ever looked.

I don't like it compared to previous suits especially Nolan's.

I always hated the cowl on Nolan's suits.

So just because Batman doesn't have any SUPERpowers he's not a SUPERHERO?

The fuck am i reading?

You're reading a goofy opinion. Goofy goofy.

 

[Mario007]

If it was planned from the get-go, it was clumsily executed. Why have Man of Steel reviled for the destruction porn without giving audiences a hint of what you want to do in Batman v. Superman?

It wasn't planned.

Snyder originally wanted to end MoS with kryptonite being sent to Wayne Manor so I'd say he definitely had some ideas at the time of mos. Sure he didn't put them in the movie but you can't flat out claim it wasn't planned just as I can't flat out claim it was.

 

[Fury451]

So just because Batman doesn't have any SUPERpowers he's not a SUPERHERO?

The fuck am i reading?

That's technically accurate if superpowers are your prerequisite for the title of superhero.

But considering Batman runs with the Justice league, hold his own and usually outperforms them in some scenarios, and has gone toe-to-toe with gods and other interdimensional monsters, I would say he's earned the title of superhero.

 

[Bob White]

But how would you know if this wasn't planned after all ?

Because not one person mentioned it in the first movie after the fact? The ending was pure Polly Anna with happy bike riding Clark and that army chick getting wet for Supes. This shit was obviously not planned.

 

[EGM1966]

The first Iron Man and The Winter Soldier, off the top of my head.

The Incredibles is superior to pretty much any superhero film with live action IMHO. It's narrative structure is stronger, it's thematics are better presented and consistent, it has great action scenes that accentuate character, and all the characters are interesting.

It also has better jokes and humour too.

 

[Caja 117]

That's technically accurate if superpowers are your prerequisite for the title of superhero.

But considering Batman runs with the Justice league, hold his own and usually outperforms them in some scenarios, and has gone toe-to-toe with gods and other interdimensional monsters, I would say he's earned the title of superhero.

He didnt say Batman wasnt a Superhero, He said the Nolan trilogy were not super hero movies, To some extent they werent.

 

[scitek]

The thing I appreciated from the teaser a few months back was that Batman uses a voice modulator to avoid the Baleman embarrassment.

 

[northead]

If we need to narrow it down to a superhero movie featuring a red-caped alien who can fly, the first Thor wasn't half bad either.

It wasn't anything special, but I did enjoy it nonetheless. More than its sequel for sure.

Person with super powers he said, so Iron Man doesnt qualify. And Cap barely.

Oh, I simply thought he was talking about comics' superhero-based movies.
In that case, well, I guess they're both out, even though it doesn't make MoS any better, IMO.

 

[Betty]

He didnt say Batman wasnt a Superhero, He said the Nolan trilogy were not super hero movies, To some extent they werent.

Except they were, just set in a more grounded universe.

Still the best superhero trilogy as well, though Captain America could take that title if Civil War is great.

 

[Caja 117]

It wasn't anything special, but I did enjoy it nonetheless. More than its sequel for sure.


Oh, I simply thought he was talking about comics' superhero-based movies.
In that case, well, I guess they're both out, even though it doesn't make MoS any better, IMO.

My take is that he is talking strictly about their representation in the Movies, the thing I will agree with, is that, MoS has been the best display of a Superhero fights so far, but as whole, it is not even the best Superman movie, and it wasnt even the Best Zod.

Except they were, just set in a more grounded universe.

Still the best superhero trilogy as well, though Captain America could take that title if Civil War is great.

Thats why i said to sone extent, Dark Knight felt so grounded in reality that it would had worked if you had changed Batman with random non masked vigilante, if you take TDK out of the trilogy, then yeah, is straight comic book movie.

 

[esmith08734]

Dude, if this movie disappoints, I won't be able to handle it. Snyder bait and switches A LOT but this looks unbelievable.

 

[Effect]

Saw this on Reddit.

Nicely played Snyder.

 

[northead]

My take is that he is talking strictly about their representation in the Movies, the thing I will agree with, is that, MoS has been the best display of a Superhero fights so far, but as whole, it is not even the best Superman movie, and it wasnt even the Best Zod.

In that case, yes. I agree.
Hopefully BvS will be able to step things up considerably.

 

[Braag]

The Batman costume and new logo look like complete ass.

Seriously wtf were they thinking making everything chunky as fuck.

While I don't think it looks like complete ass, I'm not a huge fan of the suit and bat symbol either.
Maybe once I see the movie I change my mind, who knows.

 

[Maninthemirror]

You are correct. They are doing it after the fact. Doesn't change that their writing team and vision for the movie included such a stupid and sloppy Superman. Knowing Goyer and Snyder, that action scene was just meant for "look how cool this is" and not for a showcase on how Superman didn't understand the scope of the destruction he could cause.

And before you're all like "well, this new movie acknowledges this!" how about the old movie? Where, after all that destruction, the world seems to forget about it as Clark happily rides his bike through the city?

That shows Goyer and Snyder never planned to have that battle hold any substance more than the derp action figures bashing into each other.

That's why people are still not sold on this movie. If the minds behind the first one could drop the ball so hard, who knows how this one will turn out. Trailer be damned.

Acknowledging the destruction was too much adds weight retroactively to the previous movie. After MoS people will look at the battle with zod in a different light as the context has completely shifted to it having no end game to it meaning something beyond the superhero and supervillian

 

[alexandros]

I miss Christopher Reeve, that man is forever the Superman.

Agreed.

 

[brochiller]

Just want to say how much I love this shot. I want to see more angry yet helpless Superman in this movie.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I got around to watching this, and have no idea what people are seeing in it that excites them. It looks... kinda bad. But different strokes.

 

[Bracewell]

Acknowledging the destruction was too much adds weight retroactively to the previous movie.

What? How? It doesn't change the ending to Man of Steel at all. And the ending didn't even remotely address anything about the final battle.

After MoS people will look at the battle with zod in a different light as the context has completely shifted to it having no end game to it meaning something beyond the superhero and supervillian

Maybe, but that still sounds like wishful thinking. And even if BvS does the seemingly impossible, it won't change the fact that MoS can't stand on its own legs.

 

[Caja 117]

You know, when I watched MoS i couldnt had guess that metropolis destruction was going to be some sort of controversial point in the Internet, for me it was entertaining to watch.

I do cringe that pa Kent Didnt die of a heart atack, it really not part of who Kal is.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

Ma Kent's monologue pisses me off the more I hear it.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

Just want to say how much I love this shot. I want to see more angry yet helpless Superman in this movie.

Me too, bro. Me too 😊

....❤

 

[Mobius 1]

I'm watching this for Batman. That he gets to clock Superman in the face at least once and get away with it will be brilliant.


Those desert scenes are definitely Bruce's vision of a post-apocalyptic Earth in which Superman is a god-ruler with his own zealot army.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Snyder originally wanted to end MoS with kryptonite being sent to Wayne Manor so I'd say he definitely had some ideas at the time of mos. Sure he didn't put them in the movie but you can't flat out claim it wasn't planned just as I can't flat out claim it was.

Where did you hear that? Snyder flat out said Batman was added AFTER man of steel was finished. He said he didn't get into Superman just to get to Batman.

 

[Maninthemirror]

What? How? It doesn't change the ending to Man of Steel at all. And the ending didn't even remotely address anything about the final battle.



Maybe, but that still sounds like wishful thinking. And even if BvS does the seemingly impossible, it won't change the fact that MoS can't stand on its own legs.

It does retroactively don't see how you can ignore that it acknowledges the battle of supermen was not without any weight and consequences

 

[Real Hero]

I got around to watching this, and have no idea what people are seeing in it that excites them. It looks... kinda bad. But different strokes.

mindless action. no doubt people will get bored of it when it's there for 40 mins straight like man of steel.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

It does retroactively don't see how you can ignore that it acknowledges the battle of supermen was not without any weight and consequences

Maybe if you shut man of steel off after Superman hugs Lois in the train station.

 

[AppleMIX]

Ma Kent's monologue pisses me off the more I hear it.

I imagine it is taken out of context.

 

[Kinyou]

Agreed.

 

[DEO3]

Great trailer, but I have no faith in Snyder. Every single one of his movies have had great trailers, and I've been disappointed in all of them.

 

[Skux]

Acknowledging the destruction was too much adds weight retroactively to the previous movie. After MoS people will look at the battle with zod in a different light as the context has completely shifted to it having no end game to it meaning something beyond the superhero and supervillian

Yeah. Imagine that happened today. While some would think "Thank you for saving the world, Superman", a lot of people, especially those who were there that day, would think "Look at all the death and havoc you've caused, you brought this war to our planet."

 

[Bracewell]

It does retroactively don't see how you can ignore that it acknowledges the battle of supermen was not without any weight and consequences

I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree with it. The weight and consequences aren't shown in MoS, meaning MoS doesn't work by itself, as a standalone movie. If a movie needs to say "Wait for the sequel!" when people point out its mistakes, that movie doesn't magically improve by virtue of the sequel.

Spider-Man 3 made a lot of mistakes, but it doesn't detract in any way from Spider-Man 2, because the previous film works well on its own.

Bats v. Supes could address every single complaint about MoS and still be a decent movie in its own right, but it won't fix Man of Steel.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

The most amazing thing about this trailer is that it retroactively makes MoS a better film. And they did it without shoehorning in the Bruce Wayne/Lex Luthor exposition into a post credits sequence. Marvel should learn something about this. You don't need a half dozen dangling plot threads to make your connected universe work.

Edit: totally didn't realize that's where the conversation was heading.

 

[captainnapalm]

I like Eisenberg's Luthor a lot more than Leto's Joker. I can at least see the thinking there, Lex Luthor with a sort of Zuckerberg modern day twist.

But Joker with 'Joker-art' tattoos and a grill? I hate that more everytime I see it. Sure, Joker's just like those idiots who think it's cool to have a grill. He just became about 1000 times less cool and menacing.

 

[kurahador]

Ma Kent's monologue pisses me off the more I hear it.

Clark's "are you freaking serious mom??!!" face in that scene make sense though.

 

[Alienous]

Maybe if you shut man of steel off after Superman hugs Lois in the train station.

What if Batman v Superman shows that the last scene of Man of Steel took place 6 months after?

It can add clarity, even retroactive correction clarity, to some of the questionable (but ambiguous) scenes in Man of Steel. How many people died in the Metropolis battle? How much damage did it actually cause to the city? And, as I said earlier, how long after the end of the battle did the final scene take place?

Videos like this actually do a good job of that already. But canonically referring to things like this video does in a sequel could make it hard to view Man of Steel the same way you did.

 

[Messypandas]

I like Eisenberg's Luthor a lot more than Leto's Joker. I can at least see the thinking there, Lex Luthor with a sort of Zuckerberg modern day twist.

But Joker with 'Joker-art' tattoos and a grill? I hate that more everytime I see it. Sure, Joker's just like those idiots who think it's cool to have a grill. He just became about 1000 times less cool and menacing.

I like how he's scrawny and meek, and can bring a God to his literal knees. Him smugly mocking him with his hand as Superman looks pissed was awesome. Thats going to be a really interesting scene.

 

[Hystzen]

That's the thing with the ending of MoS it doesn't say how much time has passed since battle with Zod. I always expected the whole damage caused by the battle to be a plot point in future films it obvious way to bring in Lex.

 

[Bob White]

Ma Kent's monologue pisses me off the more I hear it.

It's funny you say that. That's the point where the trailer loses me. It just seems too forced. It reminds me instantly of MoS hamfisted dialog.