The only "evidence" that exists suggesting any attempt was made to break the rules is an elementary school grade report full of terrible methodology and general incompetence. It seems everyone simply assumes the balls were underinflated when in fact this was never once established to even the most meager standards of scientific rigor.
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The only "evidence" that exists suggesting any attempt was made to break the rules is an elementary school grade report full of terrible methodology and general incompetence. It seems everyone simply assumes the balls were underinflated when in fact this was never once established to even the most meager standards of scientific rigor.
natjjohn
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Ideal phone law caused his phone to explode.
CrocMother
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IF he was appealing whether he was involved in deflating the balls that game or not he'd have a good chance. But it's moved beyond that now, it's only tangentially relevant at this point.
Honestly, if he had admitted straight away to telling his guys to keep them on the low side nobody would give a shit by now. Many players have already come out and admitted they play loose with those rules. Brad Johnson admitted it to doing it IN THE SUPERBOWL. Nobody cares about that. It's the way he handled the situation that fucked him.
natjjohn
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Stolen from this article: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...-short-court-challenge-roger-goodell-decision
Discipline was merited. Hard to argue otherwise without grasping at straws. Getting comical.
Discipline was merited. Hard to argue otherwise without grasping at straws. Getting comical.
If the Wells conclusion is unjustified (and it is), his suspension should be void. He wasn't penalized those games simply because he kept his phone, he was penalized because the NFL believes he was complicit in the cheating and then uncooperative during the investigation. If the report is thrown out, his actions go from uncooperative to reasonably justified given a desire to protect one's privacy and to not set harmful precedent regarding player-league interaction.
CrocMother
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Are you seriously quoting something that used this line "Goodell, in a brilliant passage in his masterly opinion"? lol
CrocMother
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The federal court doesn't have the authority to decide whether the Wells conclusion is justified or not. Goodell, the guy who made the decision originally, was the one Brady appealed that conclusion to. Today Goodell upheld his own decision. It sounds ridiculous, is hardly fair, but that is what the Player's Association agreed was fair in their contract with the NFL. It's in writing.
Now, Brady's only option now is to appeal to the federal court that the NFL violated that contract. Incredibly, they actually didn't. So Brady really doesn't have a good shot at winning. Four games.
EDIT: When I said they don't have the authority, I meant that judges don't typically ever overturn decisions like that given by agreed upon arbitrators.
bronkonagurski
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This earlier linked article sums it up:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/07/27/tom-brady-nflpa-deflategate-suspension-federal-court
CrocMother
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That's not enough to get him an injunction. In the off chance he wins his appeal down the road he will have already missed the first four games. He might get his $2 mil back but I doubt he really cares about that.
Are you a lawyer? I am curious as you seem to be confident with your statement.
There is:
He also has more legitimate playoff wins than the guy mentioned in the thread title.
Brady's suspension in light of events does make sense to me. On field game integrity is a pretty big deal...and it has no other mechanism for justice. This very likely could have been reduced if Brady was forthcoming, cooperative, etc. Goodall is big on this aspect / part of the power / control of the office.
The Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Hardy, etc, to me could be argued they needed no punishment at all from the NFL. They were criminal cases handled by the courts...the NFL has opted to "add on" and in my eyes double punish these guys. This makes sense as far as public image, etc, and is pretty common in other forms of employment as well. However to equate level of atrocity according to court verdicts to NFL punishment doesn't really work.
What I don't get is how the Patriots the team was handed punishments - was there some effort of cover up, etc I missed?
The Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Hardy, etc, to me could be argued they needed no punishment at all from the NFL. They were criminal cases handled by the courts...the NFL has opted to "add on" and in my eyes double punish these guys. This makes sense as far as public image, etc, and is pretty common in other forms of employment as well. However to equate level of atrocity according to court verdicts to NFL punishment doesn't really work.
What I don't get is how the Patriots the team was handed punishments - was there some effort of cover up, etc I missed?
Tebow rises again to tame the wolf we call hedonism and cheating in Philly.There is:
He also has more legitimate playoff wins than the guy mentioned in the thread title.
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Elfforkusu
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They threw Brady under the bus for it, saying it was all on him.
aka he was the fall guy. They'll be punished in some small way by the 4 game suspension, but that's it.
No - what you stated would be my expectation, however:
"The Patriots were fined $1 million and docked two draft picks -- a first-rounder in 2016 and a fourth-rounder in 2017"
That is just crazy in light of how Kraft didn't fight it, Bilichek distanced himself from Brady, etc. They had a HUGE team punishment as wel.
CassidyIzABeast
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Doesn't matter what that corrupt clown Goodell says. He'll be playing in game 1.
How can a post be so perfect?
Elwood Blues
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Tom Brady is a crybaby that can't handle being called for his cheating ways. He is probably even delusional enough to believe himself innocent. All the cheating over the years have obviously corrupted his brain. At this point, he no longer has morals.
Alligatorjandro
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#FreeBrady
Won't someone think of the poor, cheating, millionaire celebrities?
Yes, Tom Brady is right there alongside the likes of Cesar Chavez.
What is so odd about all this is the phone destruction and Brady's thought process. If you are going to claim you destroy your old phones when you purchase a new phone, then you probably want to ensure ALL your old phones have been destroyed. Brady really opened himself up there when he destroyed the phone the NFL wanted to see and not the one prior to that. Then their is the media and public reaction, Brady must realize that the reaction would be extremely negative when word got out that he destroyed his phone, this is even more baffling when the court case will be centered around the CBA and Goodell and not Brady's guilt or innocence, as such his personally communication won't be subject to a subpoena.
Either Brady got some absolutely terrible legal advice, or their is a lot more to this story than we are hearing from the NFL.
Either Brady got some absolutely terrible legal advice, or their is a lot more to this story than we are hearing from the NFL.
The lines are little blurred when dealing with a bunch of a millionaires. There is no little guy Joe Regular to root for here that is being screwed by a large corporation.
Maybe he will in game 1, maybe they will drag this out and he will be suspended the last 4 games of the season
Good collective bargaining, NFLPA!
Jason's Ultimatum
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CONGRATULATIONS DOLPHINS FOR WINNING THE AFC EAST!
The Albatross
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I believe the patriots organization received the biggest punishment in league history. Largest fine ever handed out if I remember correctly and high round draft picks.
Alligatorjandro
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Cheatin Pete is feeling a little neglected right now...
Elfforkusu
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Ok, I stand corrected. They did take away a first rounder, I'd forgotten about that.
The other penalties, fine included, are basically nothing.
Mighty Chin
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So Tom will be available for the Season Opener?
What is surprising is that Brady had sent over 10,000 text messages in that 4 month period. I don't know about you folks, but 10,000 is an insane amount, i barely crack a few hundred in a month.
I really wonder if there was something else on his phone he didn't want anyone else to see.
The Albatross
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I believe it's the largest fine In NFL history for an organization. In the grand scheme of things, what's 1mil to Bob kraft, but relative to NFL fines, this is the most severe. If I'm remembering right.
Aah, yes it was. Second is when Denver cheated the salary cap in the 90s, $950k. Then San Fran for an ownership scandal at $500k.
PeregrinSe7en
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his team is inferior to the green bay packers
The Albatross
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He is razor ramone IRL
No. Preseason games don't apply to the suspension.
Marital affair type stuff?
Elfforkusu
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Yeah, all slaps on the wrists from a financial standpoint. The real penalty was taking away the draft picks.
Brady committed a crime?
This is 100% true. They got obliterated in the last CBA. There aren't many winners in this except people that really really hate the Patriots yet don't care that much about the NFLs future or corporate power. It's an incredible display of incompetence and ego on both sides that it ever got to this point.
Serious question: This is the biggest legal action in NFL history, right? At least since the FA case? Think about that - it's incredible.
Edit: Forgot the concussion suit.
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