Alligatorjandro
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Jets trying to stay relevant by any means necessary I guess.
Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
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I just dont get how people blindly prefer to believe/take side with an organization that denied for years the connection between head injuries sustained in the game and death of retired players.
I suggest to people to watch PBS frontline League of Denial, for those who haven't seen it.
I suggest to people to watch PBS frontline League of Denial, for those who haven't seen it.
TheLostBigBoss
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Oh trust me, I think the Patriots completely fucked over Brady.
Just think about all the comments Bill made about his own personal investigation and Kraft going, "I completely trust Brady, he did nothing wrong".
So what now? what if Brady actually wanted to come out and say, "Listen, I like my balls in a specific way just like all QB's. If during that a few of our staff broke rules to ensure that then I ultimately take responsibility." After all the shit they have said, he literally can't do that without throwing Bill and Kraft under the bus, it would be impossible.
Brady has been thrown to the dogs since day 1, and this entire investigation has been completely steered away from Bill, most likely due to the public outcry (and apparently some legal language in the Spygate punishment that if Bill was found to do some screwy thing again he could be banned from the league or suspended for a long period of time) if he was involved in another "scandal", no matter how small or insignificant.
And then you include the media aspect of this throwing leaks from the NFL that turned out to be nothing but hot air, sprinkle in ESPN 24/7 coverage and you have a clusterfuck of all clusterfucks.
There is so much at work that we don't see, so much political drama and possible blackmailing from both sides that are constantly being juggled. If this shit goes to court and Bill is somehow involved, I wouldn't be shocked if scorched earth policy comes into play.
I'm rooting against the NFL, not necessarily for the Pats
Broseph all I am asking is for the NFL to show proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Like all reasonable minded Patriot fans I just want this to be a fair investigation. And absent proof to meet this standard like most reasonable people I would accept a signed, sworn and notarized affidavit from God Almighty stating that Tom Brady was guilty. But the current evidence? It is just a few dozen pieces of circumstantial evidence that can be explained away.
1. Pats balls were almost all under inflated. --> The defense are obvious. Other teams do it. I didn't personally see those gauges. And with my 3rd grade Boston education I cannot understand the science in the Wells report so obviously it is some bullshit ass science.
2. The ball boy took all of the balls into the bathroom after the officials had measured the balls. --> First of all if this guy did something we can't discount that he went rogue. The fact that he has never been seen against since the investigation (not even by his wife and kids) suggests that if anyone is guilty it is probably him. And while the bathroom didn't have a urinal or toilet the guy most likely just wanted to wash his hands and not be walking around with a thick layer of shit on his hands like most of the mouth breathers in our society today.
3. The text messages between the ball boys with jokes about deflating the balls. --> You have to be from Boston to understand this, but we say a lot of things that we don't really mean. Thats how we joke around. This has been our consistent explanation for the overuse of the n-word and other formerly acceptable slurs that because of the overly PC nature of our society are now banned. I mean Bill Russell can testify to our great sense of humor!
4. Bradys poor press conference in which he looks like an outright liar. --> The dude is a football player who is trained to throw a football player. This is entirely unfair that we are going to use his own words against him. It was not even a prepared statement and he did not have his agent or attorney present!
5. The destruction of Brady's cell phone the day he was supposed to be interviewed. --> Does this even need an explanation? No one told him they were going to be investigating his OLD phones. And I don't know about the rest of you but me and most of my friends all destroy any technology that is more than 4 months old. This is just accepted behavior and I had assumed that most of America was doing this. Not only is the phone grossly obsolete, but old things personally offend me and I would rather they be destroyed instead of there being the slightly possibility of it coming into someone else's possession and potentially ruing their life. I mean serious a Galaxy S5 in 2014? Brady did the right thing. And this does not get into other possible defenses of possible dick pictures, ashley madison accounts or child pornography. None of which I am going to say was not on his phone, but it is all irrelevant to the ongoing investigation.
That is pretty much all the NFL had going for it. What a laughable investigation. And the Wells report and Goodell ignored all of the positive evidence. Literally thousands of posts on Patriots message boards and dozens of articles from established and trusted newspapers in Boston who personally vouched for the Pats and Brady. What about his father or most of his teammates? They know this guy better than any of us! And none of their voices were heard.
This was simply a witchhunt where Brady was already presumed guilty on the bullshit reasoning that since they did it numerous times in the past they probably did it again. WTF? I thought we lived in America!
TheLostBigBoss
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yea but what about Jordan?
ersocaster
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It's either that or blindly take sides with an organization known for cheating.
If you are going to bring up the past, you have to do that on both sides.
Is not taking side with Either organization, but, I cant get behind an Organization that preferred to see their players die in the field than to actually accept what was going on, and rather take my chances with a Player that haven't been accused of cheating ever.
Click the link in my tag.
It tells you all you will ever need to know about the subject.
I have to agree with this.
This certainly makes a lot more sense than the haters who pore over all the facts and evidence.
ViperVisor
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They didn't know if the alleged ball deflation was done. I guess they suspected on the sidelines during the game. And half-time check would confirm or deny it.
Go find a team that's never had a player accused of or suspended for drug use. Every team cheats. Every single one. The league willfully goes out of their way to fuck over former players who have debilitating health issues knowing full well that those issues were caused by playing the game. (Just waiting for someone to come along and claim "Well duh they knew what they were getting themselves into).
Yeah, your tired schtick isn't old at all.
The bathroom break was nowhere near long enough to deflate the balls. I thought we gave up on this nonsense months ago?
There is no evidence any of the balls were tampered with. We don't know what the pressures were at the start of the game and can't reliably tell what they were at half time either. The "science" in the Wells Report has been refuted time and time again by independent study.
The deflator joke was part of an ongoing conversation (if you read it, and I can tell you obviously didn't) about Brady complaining about balls inflated too much. The equipment guy was complaining to his coworker.
Brady liking less inflated balls is not anywhere near the same as Brady requesting the rules be broken and the balls tampered with after being checked.
It's very clear you haven't followed this thread or the situation in general. Everything you've brought up has been address countless times. But again, a poster appears in the thread to explain to us how obvious it is and how dumb we must all be, despite missing just about every relevant detail regarding the situation.
Yeah and the guy in the bathroom was also most likely a "pro-mode deflator" who had a lot of experience getting the job done.
I agree with everything you said except for the hurtful attack on me.
Now I know what poor Tom Brady feels like.
ViperVisor
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Exactly. It's easy. Needle in the ball. Ssss for half a second. Done. It's not an Indiana Jones situation.
Let's a little air out of each ball. Tom is happier with the feel. Especially when wet and cold.
Nonsense. Even if it were physically possible, why would he rush?
When you combine the fact there is no evidence the balls were under inflated and that it can obviously take 1m40s to simply go to the bathroom, it's ridiculous to conclude that means anything.
Jets? Are they the new CFL team?
ViperVisor
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There is no hard science measurements, true. It's not an experiment in a lab. There is no way to get binary results YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER.
It's about very slightly altering air pressure. The preponderance of evidence says there was a scheme to tinker with balls outside of what is allowed.
Why would he rush? Why was he in there in the 1st place?
It is just worst to just wanting to believe what one side has to say, haters have already brand them guilty way before any evidence was presented, so those "facts and evidence" doesn't matter at all for either Pats fan side or Pats hater side.
No it doesn't. The "evidence" is merely sufficient to those who are looking to confirm a presupposition and don't care about its quality.
To use the bathroom? The guy knew he had more than 20 minutes until game time.
Saint Gregory
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That may be playing a role here but I think that no one was really taking this issue seriously until Tom's now infamous "I don't believe I've cheated" press conference. I've honestly never seen Tom look that uncomfortable and evasive before and it really made me start to believe that there was more going on there than just the Colts being butthurt about their inability to beat the Patriots.
When you compound his behavior with the Wells investigators feeling that he was obstructing the investigation it just leads me to believe that he's hiding some level of culpability in what was going on. He may not have directly asked for the footballs to be deflated but he may have felt that conversations he had with the equipment managers pressured them into going beyond normal handling procedures to make him happy.
The way the Patriots immediately came out in full denial mode, most likely because of the cloud that still hovers over the franchise from the Spygate scandal, did paint Brady into a corner where there was no way for him to admit any wrongdoing at all. At the same time though his present stance of "I did nothing wrong and neither did anyone else" seems to go much farther than he needs to go simply to tow the Patriot's line.
The balls had already been inspected. There was no reason for them to leave the sidelines again after that point so why did he take them off the field?
Defamation suits are long and very intrusive, it is a reason why most celebrities don't file defamation suits against junk tabloid magazines.
Brady not filling a defamation suit does not prove his innocence or guilt.
That was a bizarre press conference. The day prior the press conference mortensen tweeted that 11 of the 12 Patriot footballs were 2 PSI under regulation, that blew the lid off the story and, in my opinion, forced the Patriots to respond. This is just my speculation, but Brady may have been uncertain to whether his equipment staff did anything to the Footballs without his knowledge and might wanted to be cautious with his responses. Regardless, his statement on my facebook is emphatically clear on his claimed innocence.
Spectral Glider
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The teams are/were just as implicit in the denials of head injuries ("Hear, son, smell this and get back out there!"). Also, no athlete has ever lied before about cheating, right? Christ, guys went before congress and fricken lied to all of our faces.
Huh? They weren't on the field.
Saint Gregory
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I must have misread the report. I thought the balls were inspected on the sidelines, not off the field. Still, taking them into a bathroom with you as opposed to leaving them with another equipment manager seems... odd.
That's true, that may have shaken him a bit and made him doubt what, if anything, he had done.
I think you are mistaking what Im saying here, Im not backing up any team, but I will not straight up believe everything coming from the ones that kept under lid the whole Concussion issue.
and Athlete do lie all the time, maybe Brady is lying now as well, but people are too quick to judge based on their bias, be if you are a fan or a hater
Spectral Glider
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I wouldn't totally believe anything from either side is my point. When it comes to covering your own ass, they're all guilty of it.
The NFL never gave the Patriots the actual numbers until 4 months later and then informed the Patriots they could not be released to the media.
Saint Gregory
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In the end my honest belief is that the equipment mangers were altering the balls after they were inspected. I don't think that Tom or anyone else with the team instructed them to do it but that Tom's complaints about the PSI in the balls being too high made them feel like they had to do it. I think that's why he's so indignant that he did nothing wrong while at the same time seeming so guilty about doing...something.
ViperVisor
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Possible of course. But the joke about Deflator?
Also if you were to alter the balls in a hypothetical situation? That is where you would do it. In private.
Why did the Colts guy suspect the balls were off in the 1st game @ Indy Indoors with no PSI temp change effect?
It's a game of whack-a-mole to explain things and I don't see how the conclusion is a few wild coincidences.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Nobody here deeply cares about the NFL they just really hate the Patriots.
Again with the deflator stuff you just need to read the entire collection of text messages between the two of them. The one guy is constantly complaining about how he needs to let air out of the balls because he filled them too much for Tom's liking. There's no reference at all to anything about deflating checked and approved balls.
It's possible during the game the balls were below regulation. This can occur due to environmental effects and multiple studies now have shown that. I really can't stress enough how terrible the Wells Report is and how badly it mangled the science.
There is alot of oddities to the investigation in general.
The report states that during the season McNally is alone with the footballs for about 20 minutes after the referees have inspected and approved the football, it also states that Milton Britton is in the room with McNally, yet the report never mentions whether they asked Britton if McNally takes the footballs into another room or anything. If the Patriots are deflating footballs during the regular season i would want to find out what is going on in that room.
The wells report also makes it clear that deflation could only occur during home games, so how did the Patriot football 'feel' deflated during an away game in Indy when Colts personnel would be responsible for both teams footballs?
The Wells report has a text message from May, prior to the start of the season, were McNally refers to himself as the deflator, we also have text messages from McNally and JJ complaining about the referees overinflating the footballs during a home game against the Jets. So the Patriots are only deflating footballs at home and only during certain games?
but what exactly did the patriots do?
The initial report that 11 of 12 balls were under regulation inflation was patently false.
Referee's have admitted to not even measuring balls before games, or doing a "feel test" many other quaterbacks have admitted to purposefully asking for balls to be under inflated. Yet no one cared, no one even knew of this asinine rule until the league operated a "sting operation," and allowed the "integrity" of the AFC championship game to be "comprised" by allowing the patriots to play with under inflated balls. A game in which, by the way, they utterly dominated.
I highly doubt he will say anything of worth, and he definitely will not name his source(s).
CitizenCope
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He didn't talk with D&C? Meant to get up and listen to it.
TheJollyCorner
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Who's a 'toddler puncher'?
ViperVisor
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November 28, 2006
Qbs Get On The Ball, Reach Goal
Brady, Manning convince NFL to allow offenses to use own footballs on the road.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...new-england-quarterback-competition-committee
Published: November 3, 2006
In the Grasp: Quarterbacks Caress New Pigskins
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/sports/football/03football.html?_r=0
Rabbi_Vole
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What can we start calling the conspiracy theorists who believe Brady had no part in these shenanigans and Goodell is just out to get them?
TheLostBigBoss
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rofl, that broken chart?
No, the fumble rate is not going to be dramatically different.
Chris Mortensen said:
What a ridiculous statement, particularly the bolded for a freaking ESPN employee. I don't dislike Mort, but what a weak move.
How did Dennis pin the Kensil guy as the source anyways?
Any analysis that paints the fact that the Patriots have lost less fumbles the past few years as crazy or somehow linked to deflated footballs has been pretty thoroughly debunked.
My guess - that Patriots have no real change to the amount of fumbles they lose and that fact will not get brought up very often. Even if they do, data wise it means basically nothing.
Either way though, asking the question is like asking whether Aaron Rodgers will throw more interceptions this year because of the new air inflation rules.
LudicrousSpeed
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For all your analysis, you've gotten a very fundamental rule wrong here.
The home team does not provide footballs for both teams. Each team prepares footballs for their offense to use.
Regardless of whether the game is at home or on the road, the Patriots always prepare their own footballs for Brady to use in every game.
The rule that all footballs are provided by the home team was the rule prior to 2006 or so. It hasn't been that way for close to 10 years.
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