Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
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What did they do?
I personally think this is now bigger than deflategate. If the NFL win's this may set a very dangerous precedent for all players in the NFL:
- NFL can suspend you for being 'generally aware' (never been done before)
- NFL can suspend you for non-cooperation, i.e. not providing your private communication (never been done before)
I guess they didn't comment on them, but they released a series of emails between Patriots employees and Jeff Pash (NFL General Counsel) asking them to address the erroneous leaks, generally met from Pash with silence or snideness.
It kind of destroys the narrative that the Patriots weren't cooperating with the investigation early on, as well.
Or even more generally, the NFL can punish you for things they haven't yet defined as punishable at the time of the supposed infraction!
Are those new or were they on the website? I don't remember them but I wasn't sure.
rokkerkory
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Need to re-visit collective bargaining aggreement then
The NFLPA is alleging the NFL has not followed the CBA.
I believe they were just released.
They lying about the source of the leaks is pretty revelatory too.
I know, which is why I wrote they are under no responsibility to comply.
Once again, this proves it is more probable than not that the NFL started the first erroneous leaks and they did it on purpose.
ESPN hosting an article on why he would destroy the phone.
hmmm...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...om-brady-crazy-not-destroy-old-cell-phone-nfl
hmmm...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...om-brady-crazy-not-destroy-old-cell-phone-nfl
I was embarassed to read that. Especially after he reminded us brady gave the order on the same day he was asked to turn over the data.
If that passes your sniff test, there's something wrong with your nose...
...except he gave Wells the data.
No, all this article does is create more sniffs toward ESPN.
You mean the phone that wells said he didn't want.. And Bradys lawyers said he wasn't going to give them?
Yeah, how dare he destroy a phone he was told they didn't want. A phone the NFLPA would never let him turn over regardless.
Except Goodell punished Payton for Bountygate even though he wasn't aware of it. Goodell's always had that power. Pats fans were all on board with this when he was hitting Steelers players with fines and one game suspensions for "hard hits" arbitrarily or hitting the Saints for Bountygate.
There's a clause basically about "morality and code of conduct" in the CBA that lets Goodell punish someone for everything that isn't specifically defined in the CBA. See: Ray Rice; or whenever someone gets punished for a game for like having a DUI in between weeks (even though it's not written in the CBA that a DUI gets you suspended for a game). It's basically Goodell's "protect the brand" power.
DrForester
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The NFL expertly played the phone thing like it in any way mattered and people eat it up as proof of Brady's guilt. The only thing the phone is is a way to distract people from the fact that the NFL investigation turned up nothing incriminating and they don't want people to know that they wasted months of everyone's time on nothing.
Payton is a player? Coaches are covered by the Players Association CBA?
see second part: CBA has a "morality & everything else" type of clause that covers anything that isn't explicitly spelled out. The NFLPA lawsuit is basically going after that power. That's where Goodell is getting his "authority" (I use that term loosely) to hit Brady. It's why Steelers players used to get fined/suspended for a game for basically hitting people too hard.
EDIT: I agree (and think Stradley rocks as a side note) with Steph Stradley in that this is a) all something that has been coming for a while and b) Goodell should never have been trusted with this kind of power. There's a bit of racial / class jealousy involved in this whole thing from the beginning - people forget that Goodell got this authority because the fans wanted someone to "clean up the NFL" from all these "terrible players getting arrested all the time", even though its been shown that NFL players get arrested at a far lower rate than the average person. But primarily white fans and primarily black players; was easy to justify the NFL (and to a greater extent, the NBA) being full of thugs and needing "discipline".
A few points, Sean Payton isn't covered by the cba only players are, also those examples of dui or ray rice their was direct evidence of wrong doing. Brady's suspension is based on his general awareness of ball tampering and failing to cooperate by handing over his phone, as far as i am aware no player has ever been suspended for those two infractions regardless of which clause the nfl chooses.
TheLostBigBoss
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Thats because Kraft did get fucked over.
Jonathan Vilma got suspended even though it was found out he wasn't even involved. The CBA gives goodell a lot of power and leeway for punishment. Roethlisberger got suspended even though he was never convicted of anything. There's never been rhyme or reason to goodell's punishments. Never has been. I have no sympathy because if that were cam newton instead of Tom Brady; the outrage level would be non existent.
Vilma's suspension was overturned - twice. Roethlisberger was suspended for "...contribut[ing] to the irresponsible consumption of alcohol by purchasing [or facilitating the purchase of] alcoholic beverages for underage college students, at least some of whom were likely already intoxicated."
Because be did fuck him over. Those emails are damning.
This is a commissioner that threatened to suspend Marshawn Lynch for the Super Bowl if he wore gold cleats. Look at the surprise on my face that he suspended Brady 4 games for gamesmanship + mouthing off back to him. If he really wanted to punish Brady; he'd mandate that NE is not allowed to touch their footballs before the game at all indefinitely.
I'm super curious to see if the NFL punishes the Patriots for publishing the emails. The teams are forbidden from badmouthing NFL employees in public; supposed to just tell the commissioner.
That said it will be 2 games and no admittance of guilt. No one will care by 2nd week of September.
DrForester
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Well, Ray Rice was given an indefinite suspension for embarrassing Goodell.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Ignoring all the facts and non facts being presented and calling people weird for speaking on the truth. Where is the spin besides it coming from the haters trying to justify falty reports with no real evidence as the pats cheating? Gaf is usually all about the facts when it comes to everything except the patriots I guess.
This is a well thought article though it doesn't cover all the bases.
Brady also could have been a pedophile, he could have been cheating on his wife, involved in other cheats or crimes, etc that were not relevant to the investigation. He is protected under the 2nd Amendment for guns or privacy or something and the NFL should not use the fact that he did not want to turn over his phone as a negative inference considering there are so many legitimate reasons for it.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Its amazing how easily it is to dupe 99.8% of the public.
It worked with the Iraq invasion and it is working again against Mr. Brady.
Just make up some fake pictures of WMDs or a fake 400 page document that misquotes some texts and other information and people will buy into anything!
You realize that the last three pages have been nothing but Boston fans spinning and propping up homer sports stations as harbingers of truth, right?
Like, this is some next-level, super-dedication to cognitive dissonance. I'm having Xbox One reveal flashbacks.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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Nobody can prove it but haters definitely can try and convict before the court of law makes there decision. Atleast going to court you know it could possibly be a fair trial.
So true.
I am 100% with you brutha.
This thing is a complete sham unless it ends in Tom being exonerated and Goodell behind bars (where he belongs!).
It's always entertaining when newcomers show up to the thread to explain to us all what's really going on.
DrForester
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I don't think you get it, for changing the weather and making it so cold that the ball decreased in pressure, Bray must be held accountable until he tells the secrets of weather manipulation to the world.
THAT'S WHAT WAS ON HIS PHONE.
The secret code to control the weather.
Tom Brady is why there's a drought in California!
Just look at this video from Patriot's Training Camp.
Newcomers?
Dude, I've read the whole thread. And with your posts in particular, it would be too easy to tag quote you.
That would fit right in line with the level of effort you've displayed so far, however.
Not much effort required, honestly.
Brady cheated, and he's paying for it. Quite simple really. No need to stretch my brain to understand arguments that revolve around a Patriots fan's loose understanding of physics and American law.
If you disagree with any particular statement i would suggest you join the discussion and present your views.
Loose understanding of physics? The Wells Report has been torn apart by multiple labs and scientists pointing out the immense flaws in methodology, reasoning and the application of scientific principals. I suggest you go take a look at the wikipedia entry and all of the sources it cites.
You'll need to cite an example of a misunderstanding of "American law."
The Wells Report has also been vetted by multiple lab scientists. Different scientists have different theories. What's your point?
... Actually, nah. This is pointless. Everyone is trying to give a cheater a pass, apparently. Not even a confession from Brady himself will convince you.
Lol.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and your unwillingness to engage in a discussion suggests you realize that.
Elwood Blues
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How do Brady apologists rationalize the text messages from the "Deflator"?
Supposedly a weight loss joke, rather odd coincidence considering the circumstances.
You don't understand the unique culture.
Saying what you don't mean is part of the joke in Boston. That's why eveyone called Bill Russell the n word and threw garbage on his family at home games. It was hilarious but the old Scrooge has no sense of humor. Just like the rest of you buffoons who think the Pats are guilty.
Joking about deflating balls and Brady being a shitty person were obviously jokes about how he would never deflate balls or be an asshole.
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