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[PhoenixDark]

So as long as Clinton says her views are different now, then it's all good? Okay then with that logic, people convicted of crimes should be let free as long as they say they won't do it again.

Can we not compare criminals to people evolving or shifting opinions on political/socioeconomic policies, please?

Clinton has moved left, there is no question. We can argue over whether it's genuine or not. Personally I don't think it's genuine because most politicians aren't genuine. The country has shifted left on a variety of issues, and thus Clinton has too.

Most people weigh politicians based on their record as well as their current platform; "what have you done, and what will you do." Apparently "what have you done" is of no consequence to BLM, unless it's in relation to (rightfully) criticizing O'Malley's record.

Ultimately the next democrat president isn't going to be able to shift policy on most of these issues. The real battle is at the state level. Body cameras, electing good prosecutors, civilian review boards for police, the minimum wage, etc.

 

[soleil]

Boom.

That reasoning doesn't explain why only Sanders is getting heat and not Hillary.

 

[geardo]

This is the political equivalent of punching yourself in the dick. Good job fellas, good job.

 

[injurai]

 

[Good Job Bob]

The problem for Sanders is that he doesn't have the security that Hillary has, and BLM is taking full advantage of that despite him quite arguably being more in line with their movement than she is/has been.

 

[Kusagari]

Boom.

So why is this only expected of Bernie and no other candidate?

I find it extremely odd that the candidate with by far the best record on these matters, this is indisputable, is the one being pushed on it the most.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

I'm pretty sure they won't settle for less than violence against blacks being the centerpiece of his platform and the central issue of his campaign. And you know what? I don't know if I can blame them. I mean, I don't think they're going to get it, but given the issue that's being discussed, namely how often people get away with murdering black men and women in this country, an attitude of "no, literally nothing else matters as much as this" isn't unsympathetic to me

The problem is that it's a matter of being right overshadowing doing right, and in the end the consequences of this will end up making things even worse.

 

[werks]

Uh, if you're going to abandon the movement and what it stands for because a few of their members crash your favorite candidate's parade, you really weren't a great "ally" to begin with.

Hilary is surely a better ally, from advocating tough on crime in the past to accepting huge amounts of cash from private prison lobby in the present. Hillary is the ally BLM deserves.

 

[soleil]

Can we not compare criminals to people evolving or shifting opinions on political/socioeconomic policies, please?

Clinton has moved left, there is no question. We can argue over whether it's genuine or not. Personally I don't think it's genuine because most politicians aren't genuine. The country has shifted left on a variety of issues, and thus Clinton has too.

Most people weigh politicians based on their record as well as their current platform; "what have you done, and what will you do." Apparently "what have you done" is of no consequence to BLM, unless it's in relation to (rightfully) criticizing O'Malley's record.

Ultimately the next democrat president isn't going to be able to shift policy on most of these issues. The real battle is at the state level. Body cameras, electing good prosecutors, civilian review boards for police, the minimum wage, etc.

So you think a criminal isn't a person capable of shifting their views? A serial murderer can't regret his or her actions?

 

[pigeon]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/19/hired-black-lives-matter-protesters-start-cutthech/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all
I know, I know, but it's the only source I can find that isn't completely insane. The rest are inforwars and so forth take that for what you will.

I see someone responded while I was trying to find a better source. Oh well.

The Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church, better known as the Moonies.

If that's the only source you can find....

 

[GaimeGuy]

The problem for Sanders is that he doesn't have the security that Hillary has, and BLM is taking full advantage of that despite him quite arguably being more in line with their movement than she is/has been.

So basically the political equivalent of a riot.

Great fucking movement.

 

[soleil]

The Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church, better known as the Moonies.

If that's the only source you can find....

LOL so you're on record accusing the Washington Times of fabrication? Care to prove it?

 

[royalan]

That reasoning doesn't explain why only Sanders is getting heat and not Hillary.

Are you kidding? If you follow in black political circles, Hillary's getting a LOT of heat.

As for why her stages aren't getting stormed, I don't know. She likely has better security, because there's absolutely no reason the same wouldn't happen to her.

 

[Trey]

So you think a criminal isn't a person capable of shifting their views? A serial murderer can't regret his or her actions?

It's a matter of degrees and their respective penances. You know this.

Stop being cute.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

idiots

why are you attacking an ally...

 

[Piecake]

So as long as Clinton says her views are different now, then it's all good? Okay then with that logic, people convicted of crimes should be let free as long as they say they won't do it again.

That is really fucking stupid. You don't think people can change their views?

 

[G.ZZZ]

He's racist because he's not willingly to acknowledge that the only problem american minorities face right now is the fact that they're being killed by police. Wait what.

You guys deserve Donald Trump because he's so "real" and his walls on the mexican borders, and Hillary and her multimillionaire support from industrial prison complex, they'll surely do wonder for your poors and minorities.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

 

[The Technomancer]

So basically the political equivalent of a riot.

Great fucking movement.

Given the issue in question are we really surprised? That they aren't content to have a quiet dialogue?

 

[params7]

https://twitter.com/SooperMexican

They were ruthless.

 

[soleil]

It's a matter of degrees. You know this.

Stop being cute.

Okay, let's talk degrees. Hillary pushed for policies that incarcerated MILLIONS. We're supposed to casually forgive her and believe she changed her views after MILLIONS have been incarcerated?

L O fucking L.

That is really fucking stupid. You don't think people can change their views?

1) Not as easily as people can lie about their views.
2) The for-profit prison lobbyists tied to her current campaign would indicate she's lying.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

Given the issue in question are we really surprised? That they aren't content to have a quiet dialogue?

There is a difference between dialog and shutting out any voice, then shaming them for not speaking when they aren't allowed to get a word out.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm pretty sure they won't settle for less than violence against blacks being the centerpiece of his platform and the central issue of his campaign. And you know what? I don't know if I can blame them. I mean, I don't think they're going to get it, but given the issue that's being discussed, namely how often people get away with murdering black men and women in this country, an attitude of "no, literally nothing else matters as much as this" isn't unsympathetic to me

If so its really stupid. A president has so many issues to deal with that pretty much asking him to just drop everything else is a ridiculous request. He's not even going to be the damn candidate.the only thing this is going to do is get people to turn against the whole movement who were actually on their side.

 

[akira28]

BLM is funded by Soros, a huge Clinton supporter.

soros donated 133 million to pre-existing social justice groups that just happened to be participating in and providing major organizational support for the people who went to protest at Ferguson. That does not translate into Soros owns Black Lives Matters, which would be as amazing as it would be ridiculous.

what the fuck. But hey, it sounds plausible somehow(not in any way unless you are completely disconnected except via cable news) so lets go with it.

I thought you were doing satire because this is the exact kind of thing Rush Limbaugh would push out there as a factual explanation.

idiots

why are you attacking an ally...

Protests are not attacks are they?

 

[The Technomancer]

I mean, I'm just seeing a lot of "why can't they just be quiet and civil" about it in this thread, which is nuts. Yeah maybe a Sanders rally isn't the optimal place to direct their anger, but the anger itself isn't in question right?

 

[werks]

That is really fucking stupid. You don't think people can change their views?

She isn't changing shit when raking in all the prison lobby money. She advocated for tough on crime laws in the past and is the biggest benefactor of prison lobby money in the present.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Given the issue in question are we really surprised? That they aren't content to have a quiet dialogue?

Except they're rioting in their own house

 

[Coffee Dog]

Given the issue in question are we really surprised? That they aren't content to have a quiet dialogue?

Is anyone saying that they don't understand that they're angry? The question is whether or not their actions are justified.

 

[soleil]

soros donated 133 million to pre-existing social justice groups that just happened to be participating in and providing major organizational support for the people who went to protest at Ferguson. That does not translate into Soros owns Black Lives Matters, which would be as amazing as it would be ridiculous.

what the fuck.

You don't have to own a movement to have influence.

You sound like all those people who try to shrug off Hillary's Wall Street donors whenever that subject comes up.

 

[Envelope]

Given the issue in question are we really surprised? That they aren't content to have a quiet dialogue?

uh

it's possible to understand where the anger is coming from

and simultaneously be able to say "yeah, you're being idiots"

those aren't mutually exclusive

no one in the thread is denying there is (and should be) legitimate anger

 

[And_Gignac]

Bernie has talked a lot about BLM and racial issues since the prior incident, so this seems odd. But it seems there were only three people, so I don't think this was an orquestated thing or representative of the movement at large.

 

[metalslimer]

I mean, I'm just seeing a lot of "why can't they just be quiet and civil" about it in this thread, which is nuts. Yeah maybe a Sanders rally isn't the optimal place to direct their anger, but the anger itself isn't in question right?

Certainly not. I think protest and anger are appropriate. I just think protesting someone that agrees with you is fucking stupid. And the fact that they aren't even targeting the person we all know is going to be the candidate is stupid as well.

 

[Big Baybee]

I have no Idea why Bernie supporters get so upset about this.

 

[geardo]

I mean, I'm just seeing a lot of "why can't they just be quiet and civil" about it in this thread, which is nuts. Yeah maybe a Sanders rally isn't the optimal place to direct their anger, but the anger itself isn't in question right?

No, at least I hope not. The frustration comes from this being the same old left being incapable of the type of unity that the right is able to pull off (tea party notwithstanding).

 

[legacyzero]

I mean, I'm just seeing a lot of "why can't they just be quiet and civil" about it in this thread, which is nuts. Yeah maybe a Sanders rally isn't the optimal place to direct their anger, but the anger itself isn't in question right?

The anger being directed towards somebody who is CLEARLY not against the movement is what's in question. Nobody is questioning the movement, and it's perfectly justified if you ask me. Just have to get the priorities straight.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I mean, I'm just seeing a lot of "why can't they just be quiet and civil" about it in this thread, which is nuts. Yeah maybe a Sanders rally isn't the optimal place to direct their anger, but the anger itself isn't in question right?

In question, absolutely not but misplaced in this instance? There's an argument to be made there.

 

[NeoXChaos]

I have no Idea why Bernie supporters get so upset about this.

their candidate is losing right now with that demographic and BADLY.

 

[Goodstyle]

Alright this is getting annoying. If I posted a gif of Hilary making a statement about racial issues in America with footage of Bernie Sanders enjoying himself at some event right below it, would that suddenly make Hilary the better candidate?

Look, Bernie is obviously being jerked around here and there's definitely something wrong with this picture, but the blind self-righteous hero worship of this man is getting out of hand. I'm not saying Sanders isn't great, but I am saying he isn't the only one out there with something relevant to say. He isn't the one shining beacon of hope, he didn't die for our sins, he's just a politician with policies you happen to agree with. Relax.

As for the "what he did in the past doesn't matter now" argument, I get it. People are waving what he did around excessively, and we're getting this South Park "Emperor of Black People" argument from a lot of supporters of his out there. I'm getting the sense that people here are saying black people should automatically support him because he was marching back then, and I can see how that can be really annoying. I know that no one said this explicitly, but the sense I'm getting from these people is

"How could those people do that to HIM, after everything he did for those fools!". It's like, black people today shouldn't feel like they owe Sanders anything, so I feel like people should tone it down a bit with their reactions.

 

[The Technomancer]

The anger being directed towards somebody who is CLEARLY not against the movement is what's in question. Nobody is questioning the movement, and it's perfectly justified if you ask me. Just have to get the priorities straight.

What exactly would protesting at, say, a Ted Cruz event accomplish? They're certainly never going to gain any kind of traction protesting at conservative events.

Someone above pointed out that Hillary's getting plenty of heat when it comes to actual conversation, her events are just harder to distrupt

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm pretty sure they won't settle for less than violence against blacks being the centerpiece of his platform and the central issue of his campaign. And you know what? I don't know if I can blame them. I mean, I don't think they're going to get it, but given the issue that's being discussed, namely how often people get away with murdering black men and women in this country, an attitude of "no, literally nothing else matters as much as this" isn't unsympathetic to me

The sentiment is understandable but that is an extremely unworkable position for any American politician to take, especially one running for president. The kind of people giving Sanders grief are not thinking about the realities of politics and how certain issues, no matter how urgent or virtuous, can be politically damaging overall to address outright. The man's got receipts and these protesters, if not plants, need to let him do his thing and try to build with him instead of getting in his way.

 

[kess]

Sabotaging a honest political dialogue deserves total contempt, especially at an event promoting mutual understanding and civility. It failed.

If Bernie isn't on their side, whatever that means, one one is.

 

[Jigorath]

If three people is all it takes to shut down his rally then Bernie needs to start paying for some security. Like if this was a Hilary rally they wouldn't even gotten to the stage.

 

[Testicular Sound Express]

It's like MLK doing a sit in at a restaurant that openly opposes segregation and refuses to deny service to black people.

Fucking retarded

You know what else is retarded. This stupid analogy. I really need people to learn some influential black leaders who aren't MLK or Malcom X. Jesus.

 

[G.ZZZ]

Given the issue in question are we really surprised? That they aren't content to have a quiet dialogue?

When your "quiet dialogue" would actually do something for your cause, then yes, you're being stupid. I don't care what there's behind, we've come from the worst wars and genocides and we managed to move forward because at a certain point we stopped and came to a compromise.

To be honest, this seems too calculated. There's no way this shit happen only at the rallies of a dude that want to help the poors and go against the rich. I would NOT be surprised at all if those raids are funded by some multimillionaire that want to keep his money and keep minorities poors by throwing bad light on a candidate that want to remove money from politics.

 

[strikeselect]

Do people actually think he's going to win? I mean, honestly, his campaign is irrelevant in the big picture. It's a sideshow much like Ron Paul for Republicans.

 

[The Technomancer]

The sentiment is understandable but that is an extremely unworkable position for any American politician to take, especially one running for president. The kind of people giving Sanders grief are not thinking about the realities of politics and how certain issues, no matter how urgent or virtuous, can be politically damaging overall to address outright. The man's got receipts and these protesters, if not plants, need to let him do his thing and try to build with him instead of getting in his way.

I completely agree with you from a pragmatic level, but no-one ever got 50% by demanding 50%. You get 50% by demanding 100%

 

[RedShift]

https://twitter.com/SooperMexican

They were ruthless.

What awful people, and what an awful organisation.

I really don't get why they're so angry at him, unless this is some hit on him from some pro Clinton people or something.

 

[legacyzero]

What exactly would protesting at, say, a Ted Cruz event accomplish? They're certainly never going to gain any kind of traction protesting at conservative events.

Someone above pointed out that Hillary's getting plenty of heat when it comes to actual conversation, her events are just harder to distrupt

So, disrupt and shut down the one option that suits them best?

 

[soleil]

Alright this is getting annoying. If I posted a gif of Hilary making a statement about racial issues in America with footage of Bernie Sanders enjoying himself at some event right below it, would that suddenly make Hilary the better candidate?

Look, Bernie is obviously being jerked around here and there's definitely something wrong with this picture, but the blind self-righteous hero worship of this man is getting out of hand. I'm not saying Sanders isn't great, but I am saying he isn't the only one out there with something relevant to say. He isn't the one shining beacon of hope, he didn't die for our sins, he's just a politician with policies you happen to agree with. Relax.

As for the "what he did in the past doesn't matter now" argument, I get it. People are waving what he did around excessively, and we're getting this South Park "Emperor of Black People" argument from a lot of supporters of his out there. I'm getting the sense that people here are saying black people should automatically support him because he was marching back then, and I can see how that can be really annoying. I know that no one said this explicitly, but the sense I'm getting from these people is

"How could those people do that to HIM, after everything he did for those fools!". It's like, black people today shouldn't feel like they owe Sanders anything, so I feel like people should tone it down a bit with their reactions.

No one owes anything to Sanders. The point is that Clinton was a HUGE proponent of the policies that caused the very problem being protested and whatever heat Sanders gets, Hillary deserves to get tenfold.

 

[werks]

their candidate is losing right now with that demographic and BADLY.

And the candidate getting millions from the industrial prison lobby has that demographic in her pocket with a couple of KK selfies. The black vote going to Hillary is the equivalent of poor white people voting republican. Both are voting against their self interest.