From a legal point of view, the NFL is on track to get nothing except bills for millions of dollars in lawyers fees to file and fight losing appeals. The law, at this point, is not on their side. CA2 precedent rather specifically kills their case.
Tom Brady's Suspension Appeal News
- Thread starter TheLostBigBoss
- Start date
- Status
From a legal point of view, the NFL is on track to get nothing except bills for millions of dollars in lawyers fees to file and fight losing appeals. The law, at this point, is not on their side. CA2 precedent rather specifically kills their case.
Since we don't have anything else to talk about I thought i would just humour the idea.
It just seems so odd for this guy, who seemingly has no connection to either side, to tweet this, though he did tweet this from his account with a link to his business, which makes me think that knowingly tweeting a lie would be a bad decision for this business (especially for someone who business is providing training/coaching).
EDIT: What am saying, of course it is fake!
At this point "true" is completely irrelevant. It's a pr dance. Brady cheated a bit, the NFL overreached and NE fans have had to torture their own internal logic for weeks. Be good for everyone if both sides settle.
Stranger things have happened. If I remember correctly didn't some random guy on twitter earlier this year have a bunch of baseball scoops? It just sounds like he's throwing shit at the wall. It's a reasonable amount given that Favre had to pay the same amount for not cooperating. It's more than likely just a plausible guess. Personally I don't see this being settled for a while.
LyleLanley
Banned
If I remember that correctly it was some teenager who broke the news of both the Red Sox big signings on Twitter.
CrocMother
Banned
Chump change. The owners want the power to punish any player they want for whatever reason. The union signed a shit CBA that gives them that power. It's bidness.
The fans will turn against the NFL if this drags out into a years long appeal process.
The CA2 precedent makes it clear that rules outside the CBA, which is what the league based the punishment on, cannot be used in such a way.
Have you read any of the filings?
LyleLanley
Banned
Will they really though? I think NFL fans have proven time and time again that they don't really care about anything.
The NFL fans are the ones who wanted Goodell to "clean up" the NFL and start handing down harsh punishments.
Things are very slowly starting o turn even now. Of course the majority are still being fooled by the Wells Report and their own desire to see a rival punished regardless of the justification, but more and more are catching on that the NFL is being ridiculous. If the NFL appeals and it drags out you'll just have Brady playing like normal and, without the prospect of the star QB missing time, it becomes less appealing to support for people who might otherwise do so if it meant Brady not playing.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
That's the reason Brady is fighting so hard. There's not even evidence he "cheated a bit". There is zero evidence of collusion or conspiracy to deflate the balls under regulations. I'm surprised to hear he'd even be willing to accept a fine, but I guess he's willing to write the fine off as "make this bullshit go away" payment.
CrocMother
Banned
Enough circumstantial evidence for a reasonable person to belief he was generally aware of what was going on. Should've just owned up to what would have been a minor thing and moved on. Instead he decided to take on the system, so I don't feel sorry for him. If you actually believe he did nothing wrong than more power to you I guess.
Simply not true. In fact the factual evidence, if you even accept the measurements made at half time (and there's good reasons you might not), the evidence suggest the balls could not have been deflated.
This whole thing could be a test given to high school students. If you read all about it and correctly determine there's no basis for punishment, you get to go to college. If you're easily impressed by mathematical symbols and allow your thought processes to be hijacked by childish personal sports biases, you go to the shoe factory.
CrocMother
Banned
It's not true that I don't think there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Brady liked his balls a little deflated? He fucking said it himself in a quote.
He said he liked them at 12.5, I believe. He swore under oath he did not ask anyone to ever under inflate the balls and did not know of anyone doing so.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
No, I don't. I see a player who is allowed to prepare the balls to their liking, as all QB's are. I don't see anything indicating he ever wanted them prepared outside regulations. There is no evidence of a conspiracy here.
In that case you must believe that Arron Rodgers and the Packers are also deserving of the same fine and penalties since he likes his balls over inflated. He, "fucking said it himself" after all.
while brady said he likes a softer ball (ya no connotations there)
the wells report said that anderson says he used the logo'd scale
the logo scale said that 8 of the 11 balls were "legal" at halftime (taking into account the pressure drop...one was 0,01psi low the other two were half a lb off
the wells report said that anderson says he used the logo'd scale
the logo scale said that 8 of the 11 balls were "legal" at halftime (taking into account the pressure drop...one was 0,01psi low the other two were half a lb off
boiled goose
good with gravy
Pats fans hoping that brady winning this will change anything are delusional.
Spygate gets brought up eveytime.
The narrative that pats are cheaters has cemented into The public psyche despite any contradictory evidence.
Deflategate will be brought up forever regardless of the outcome.
Just shows how effective smear campaigns are.
Spygate gets brought up eveytime.
The narrative that pats are cheaters has cemented into The public psyche despite any contradictory evidence.
Deflategate will be brought up forever regardless of the outcome.
Just shows how effective smear campaigns are.
Hope that's a start two QB league or else those are crazy high draft picks.
Im curious what happens tomorrow and if there's any truth to the rumors that were on Twitter tonight. Don't know what to expect tomorrow.
Just more delicious salt.
Spoiler, nothing will happen.
I would not count on that at all. It will be more like before, although who he grills this time who knows. There are obvious reasons why the NFL would settle before this goes to decision, but if they did, it would not be for just 50k. They have over 5Mil lost in a report that proves nothing and is pure crapola.
Then again, they probably spend more than 5 Mil on Jones' Party Bus.
It's not salt. What he is saying is true. Goodell and the NFL have done a fantastic job at destroying Brady's reputation.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
By bringing to light the shitty and unsportsmanlike like things he's had to do in order to win? Those monsters!!!!!
:lol at Brady's newest demand
Roberto Duran
Member
There is no live tweeting today.
https://twitter.com/PPVSRB/status/633700969956700161
https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/1007433262642648
https://twitter.com/PPVSRB/status/633700969956700161
https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/1007433262642648
Yeah
AdamSchefter: Tom Brady is open to accepting some form of suspension, but only if it can be for failing to cooperate with the... http://t.co/A7lr4NtC2M
AdamSchefter: Tom Brady is open to accepting some form of suspension, but only if it can be for failing to cooperate with the... http://t.co/A7lr4NtC2M
BassForever
Member
So thats a sign that Brady is likely to lose this appeal? Legal people translate
Boo! So it is not very public now is it?
Of course Brady is not going to accept the report. If he did nothing wrong, why would he?
Huh? No, it is a sign that the NFL is not moving from their demands which is sure to make the judge very unhappy.
Of course Brady is not going to accept the report. If he did nothing wrong, why would he?
Huh? No, it is a sign that the NFL is not moving from their demands which is sure to make the judge very unhappy.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Yup, nobody likes the Pats. Other teams, little kids, old ladies, people who never watched a day of football in their lives. The general population outside of New England has been manipulated into a swell of hatred by that mastermind Goodell and his cronies.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
So Brady is the only one who is trying to get a settlement, and the NFL is the one who is completely unwilling to move and negotiate, wanting him to literally go back on everything he has said in the past seven months.
No wonder the judge sent Brady home, NFL clearly has no intention of settling.
Not to mention Brady did his testimony UNDER OATH. He is not about to back off from what he said when he is innocent. People conveniently forget that part of it.
The court would not want him to do that if he is truly innocent. The whole point of court is to protect innocent people.
Edit: Hearing starts at 10AM.
The court would not want him to do that if he is truly innocent. The whole point of court is to protect innocent people.
Edit: Hearing starts at 10AM.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
Could he be tried for perjury in the event that he admits guilt after the original testimony? If so, how is the NFL allowed to incriminate a player by refusing to budge on a one-sided ultimatum?
Yes. It is a sworn testimony under oath, he could be tried for perjury charges.
EDIT: It is the NFL. With their arrogance they could be heading head first (concussions?!) into a wall and not see it because they are looking down.
Mighty Chin
Banned
As well as their own.
The Albatross
Member
Yep, I actually said this day one, but I phrased it as "why Brady & the Patriots should fight this." The narrative from non-Patriots fans was drawn before Spygate that the Patriots are manipulators or cheaters. It goes back to 2001/2002, when the Patriots went from a bottom feeder to Super Bowl contender in one season using a quarterback that nobody outside of New ENgland (and most people in New England) had never heard of.
The complaints largely came from fans of legacy franchises, Dallas, San Francisco, and others, who charged that the league had unfairly hurt their great franchises through "parity" allowing shitty teams like New England to come along and be good.
The tuck rule fomented this impression into people's minds, and they decided that the league created a favorable rule for the Patriots in 2001 to allow them to move on in the playoffs when they should have lost, even though that same rule had caused them to lose a game earlier in the season in an identical circumstance. People determined that the Patriots were cheaters then. When the team failed the following year, the argument shifted to "see! Unless they get made-up calls they don't win," and then when the Patriots won back to back Super Bowls, it was more emphasis on cheating or the league favoring the Patriots to get there.
The cheating accusations, or that the league is broken (e.g., parity arguments which have always been insane to me), or that Brady is actually not a good quarter back, or whatever else, have always followed this team and it preceded Spygate. The narrative was made before Spygate, and Spygate certainly didn't help. Of course, Spygate came and went and that fed the argument by people who were already convinced that Brady, Belichick, and the Patriots were cheaters. When you actually read what Spygate was, you'd come off saying "That's it?" and then of course New England goes onto have the best regular season in NFL history.
Deflategate is the result of that conclusion that the Patriots or Brady are cheaters. It's an accusation that goes back 15 years that searches for justification of it. If Brady is found to not have anything to do with Deflategate and his suspension is dropped, it wouldn't change a damn thing in anybody's mind... Their minds have been made up for 15 years. What it could do, however, is help the Patriots put the best player on the field for the first 4 games of the season, which is pretty significant for the team.
The public perception battle, though, is obviously lost. It's been lost since 2001.
Great summation.
Ugh, so now we have to wait until the 31st for this to get resolved? Though I guess they could settle before then, but not holding out hope of that. If there is a settlement though, my guess would be 2 games and no admission of guilt.
I'm a casual American football fan at best: I watch the Superbowl, a couple playoff games and the occasional regular season game (along with the odd article and lurking NFLGaf) so I can talk shop with my more hardcore acquaintances who do watch every weekend. So I picked up on the general gossip and banter e.g. "Manning is the best quarterback of all time" (lol wut) or "no rings since Spygate"
Deflategate though changed my mind about the Patriots. At first I couldn't understand why the NFL was making such a big deal get what seemed like a minor infraction and why the whole incident/investigation was dragging on so long. Also there was a science element to with the pressure thing which was interesting to look up (degrasse and nye even tweeted about it) and seemed clear cut evidence. But after the NFL ignored the scientific consensus I started reading up more on this whole thing more, which lead me to reading up on Spygate and Bountygate... So now my casual opinions of the Patriots (and Saints to a lesser extent) have changed. Before I would chuckle at posts by guys like jaybee as he just really hates the pats or no smoke without a fire but now, especially with the continued vitriol despite Godell obviously fucking up this Brady investigation, I just can't take the haters seriously anymore. I'm perplexed why they keep clinging to the cheating accusation. I understand sports rivalries and all but this makes no sense to me. So deflategate actually raised my respect of the pats and brady
Nah. I just think the Pats cheated, because they cheated.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Jabee being Jabee haha. What a silly response to a very interesting summary and perspective.
I personally did not realize the hate had started before Spygate but it makes sense, because Spygate itself couldn't be enough.
- Status