Agree, more than likely the people that sent classified info to her server will be the ones in hot water.
She will probably just say "lol didn't read" when asked why she didn't immediately fire these people.
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Agree, more than likely the people that sent classified info to her server will be the ones in hot water.
She will probably just say "lol didn't read" when asked why she didn't immediately fire these people.
Days like these...
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Big Green Anus
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Hillary Clinton would just run ads saying that Bernie is a "socialist" and would be enough to remove this hype for him. It's sad to since I HATE Hillary.
Also, with regards to Health care, if you think Hillary would try to make Health care a single payer option, then you're sadly mistaking. She received A lot of money from Health Insurance companies and would no go against them.
Also, with regards to Health care, if you think Hillary would try to make Health care a single payer option, then you're sadly mistaking. She received A lot of money from Health Insurance companies and would no go against them.
eBay Huckster
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hrm, yes, i'll vote for someone i'm diametrically opposed to in my ideology in every single way, because $hillary
Ah, our new socialist hero in the UK is more positive and outward looking on immigration, at a time when people are hysterical on the issue.
It seems like many free trade agreements only really facilitate the hunt for cheapest available working standards to benefit the multinational corporations that write and lobby for them.
timetokill
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It has nothing to do with reading minds, it's right there on the page. I'm pretty sure they're saying it for a reason, unless you're suggesting Hillary supporters have some sort of Pavlovian response that causes them to reflexively say "FRINGE!" whenever they see the word "Sanders." In which case god help you when watching the recent KFC commercials.
And I've never said $hillary so I'm not sure why you'd ascribe it to me XD
Firing Huma would be so tough for her.
If there's, like, one issue that Hillary Clinton probably cares about more than anything besides gender equality, it's affordable health care, as evidenced by her stunning failure in the 90s. I don't think either Hillary or Bernie will get us towards single payer, at least not in their presidencies, but I absolutely believe that both will continue to build the infrastructure we need for the inevitable.
By sincere, I did mean pushing issues for the American people. And you are right to a great degree on them - particularly the Republican party - voting for what people want. It's no shocker the American people vote against their interests.
You didn't address something I was curious on your opinion of: what do you think of the problem of money and its influence from corporations on the political process? Do you not think that plagues the arena that kind of stagnates any strong changes? It's kind of what would stop Hillary from doing a whole lot on the health care front, after all. And don't most people want a single payer system?
Lol at least you realized your !!!!!!!! !!!! !! made you look like a petulant child and edited it out.
Also on the record, Children's Health Insurance Program. No, she wouldn't try to make health care a single payer option. She already helped do so for kids, because Congress wouldn't find anything else acceptable.
But she clearly settled for less getting some millions of poor children guaranteed healthcare instead of going wholesale for everybody.
Dude Abides
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Maybe they're saying it because it happens to be true. That seems to be the most obvious reason and doesn't require any supernatural powers or implied accusations of bad faith.
timetokill
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He's fringe, you should #SettleForHillary
I for one do not appreciate my concerns on problem solving to be used for an oligarch, thank you very much. :3c
eBay Huckster
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i mean, as far as i can tell everyone itt who's stated a voting preference that isn't Sanders has provided at least one policy-disagreement rationale for it
DragonSworne
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Probably not new thread-worthy, but this just came across my twitter feed and Hillary's troll game is fantastic.
https://twitter.com/tobe_desired/status/634480507619778560
https://twitter.com/tobe_desired/status/634480507619778560
I-I have one, sempai! Actually, a few.
I think his views on drugs is childish. He still has the idea weed is a gateway drug. But admittedly, he acknowledged he knew little, but it was still aggravating to see such a stance in the 21st century. He's also very wishy-washy on guaranteed incomes finally eliminating the poverty problem, before automation makes that situation more dire than it is, which will, on some level, potentially affect us all. Hillary has spoken of it too, but they're at least the only two who have even spoken about it. A+ for at least acknowledging what will eventually have to be done. Ask any Republican and you'll get shitbrained answers like jobs and economic growth as solutions. Doing a real good job there with our labor ideals, friends.
I do believe Bernie has views I adhere to more, but I do not expect them to arise if he and he alone wins. The same will apply to Hillary, even if I greatly dislike some of her stances. I'm also not one who will not vote for Hillary if she wins; in that case, I too will settle for less.
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By not voting for hilldawg I will settle for even less.
Not voting for her and allowing a Republican to win is not settling, but dissolution.
Settle or dissolve, queens.
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On a serious note I live in Texas so it really doesn't matter not like we're a swing state but since I like you foffy I will vote for hilldawg if she gets the nom.
OrangeGrayBlue
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As long as democrats can do what republicans are capable of and fall in line for the general, I see no problem voting for the candidate you most closely align with in the primary. The problem arises, however, when democrats decide to pick up their ball and go home rather than recognize that governance is compromise.
I'll be voting for Bernie, but I'm not for one second going to stay home or vote GOP if my ideal candidate loses to the decent candidate. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, etc etc.
I'll be voting for Bernie, but I'm not for one second going to stay home or vote GOP if my ideal candidate loses to the decent candidate. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, etc etc.
This is what everyone should do, and to see people saying "Bernie or bust" really bothers me. Vote for who you dig, but if you don't get that, don't become apathetic.
Thunder Monkey
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What I'm wondering is why electability isn't an acceptable reason.
I don't think he could get elected. I've been harping on guaranteed wages for a long time. In some ways I'm to the left of Bernie. But I don't have faith in the American people to look past the Socialist title he gladly accepts.
I can agree 100% with the guy, and still look at someone else as the more likely to be elected. Hillary is that. She's completely vetted, no scandal seems to damage her, she's liberal enough (more than Bam's was), she polls really really well with latino's, women, and african americans. Big sections of the democratic coalition that brought us two terms of the Bama.
And if Bernie happens to be the nominee. I'll vote my ass off for him. I'll get out there to try and make sure others vote as well. I just have little in the way of faith that the American people would go for it.
I don't think he could get elected. I've been harping on guaranteed wages for a long time. In some ways I'm to the left of Bernie. But I don't have faith in the American people to look past the Socialist title he gladly accepts.
I can agree 100% with the guy, and still look at someone else as the more likely to be elected. Hillary is that. She's completely vetted, no scandal seems to damage her, she's liberal enough (more than Bam's was), she polls really really well with latino's, women, and african americans. Big sections of the democratic coalition that brought us two terms of the Bama.
And if Bernie happens to be the nominee. I'll vote my ass off for him. I'll get out there to try and make sure others vote as well. I just have little in the way of faith that the American people would go for it.
Finally you see the light. It is what we want. Vote with your heart in the primary for Bernie but should he lose vote with your head/hold your nose in November for Hillary.
TyphoonStruggle
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(warning my personal opinion--i.e., i don't speak for the sander's camp)
If Hillary is the predetermined winner of the 2016 general election but Sanders beats Hillary in the primary election, then Sanders is a worthy candidate in the general election.
Thus, "electability" is not a reason because the hardest win for Sanders is in beating Hillary.
If Hillary is the predetermined winner of the 2016 general election but Sanders beats Hillary in the primary election, then Sanders is a worthy candidate in the general election.
Thus, "electability" is not a reason because the hardest win for Sanders is in beating Hillary.
Your asking why electability isnt a valid reason? So Hillary has basically voted for a majority of things i personally oppose, and Bernie has always supported everything i personally support, but because she polls better, that's a reason I should fall in lockstep?
Elections are about voting for the person you see as the best for the job. And i do not under any circumstances see Hillary's bid for President as an honest attempt to fix anything that needs to be fundamentally fixed in the system.
What else do people expect him to be polling like versus her when Bernie only joined the campaign trail a few months ago, and that was his actual introduction on the national stage in mindshare as opposed to Hillary's 25 years in the public spotlight just being high profile?
Its actually surprising he's even as close to her as he is.
I say to you, if Bernie's platform got a big enough avenue, a lot more people than you'd expect would come up in support
THis is why the democratic debates are absolutely essential for his bid. No TV media program in their bid to already declare Hillary the winner, or Trump an interesting diversion who brings in TV ratings is going to give Bernie the time of day, regardless of if he's giving an important stump speech or outlining his platform or what have you. I think CSPAN so far is the only ones that have covered his rallies.
I finally see? I never deviated from what I've said. I never said "fuck Hillary if she wins". I dislike some of her positions immensely, which is precisely why between her and Sanders I'd choose Sanders, but that was never meant to imply that if Sanders is taken out of the picture that one should withdraw from the political arena. I do think you should be referring to others with your comment.
Hillary still is an oligarch. But she's a far lesser issue than the grander evil that is every Republican candidate and their ideals, and nowhere have I said "let's leave it to the $hilldawgs" to deal with that.
Shadow Hog
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I've been lurking PoliGAF for a bit of late, and it does seem like there's this perception that Sanders supporters will categorically refuse to support Clinton if/when she wins the primary.
Now, I haven't been looking at the Sanders threads themselves much, but I can at least vouch that I know one person who'd switch their vote to Jill Stein if Sanders doesn't win (I don't even know if she's running, but it's what he said he'd do). So, I guess people who are that die-hard about Sanders's nomination really are out there.
Me, though, I'll vote for Sanders in the primary and whoever wins that in the general, whether it's Sanders or Clinton or even O'Malley (ha ha ha yeah that'll happen). Admittedly my reasoning for backing Sanders is less agreement on issues and more that I'm not comfortable with us immediately rushing back to another Clinton (or the Republicans running to another Bush - at least, if Trump hadn't thrown his name into the ring), and that Sanders seems like the best option of the not-Clinton camp. But, if Clinton ends up winning anyway, I'd still sooner vote for a Dem than I would a Republican.
Thunder Monkey
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No, I'm not saying it has to be a valid reason for everyone.
I've covered many times why it is for me, to read people write off electability as a concern completely. It doesn't have to be a reason for you. I can look at him and think "Awesome to see someone on the liberal end making a play for it." and simultaneously think "I hope he doesn't get the nom, because I don't think he can get elected." That's a completely valid concern from my end.
You don't have to agree, and I don't expect you too. But for some to write it off completely, as the line of thought from a "faux" dem is insulting.
And guys... I really don't think Hillary is his big roadblock to the presidency. That'll be the billions spent harping on his "Socialism". This wouldn't be the first, nor last time that Democrats nominate someone that the public at large won't support. We did it very consistently for around 40 years.
We've just been very lucky in the last 20 that the public is gradually shifting to our point of view.
It's basically, "I'm progressive, I care deeply about these causes, and if My Preferred Candidate can't get in, then I'm happy to stick a shiv in progressivism for the next few decades."
Why is that? All she does is cause negative publicity due to her continued relationship with her clown of a husband. If I were Hillary, I would have distanced myself from her a long time ago. Why not have her work somewhere else besides as her vice-campaign chairman?
That's just a missed opportunity!
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Because her relationship with Huma is very personal and based on a very mutual level of trust. I'm not saying it's not the right call, but I could see it being very hard for her if it came to that (which it might).
I see, I didn't even think of that. I've been watching too much television where there are no "true friends" in politics. Sometimes I don't think of these politicians as people, but I really should. Huma stuck by her husband because of political convenience, and I assumed Hillary would keep her around as long as Huma herself remained convenient, but I guess sometimes friendship wins out.
That's pretty funny. They should just run those quotes in ads.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Probably will, in time.
I would rather have Bernie vs. Trump than Hillary vs. Trump even if Trump's chances are higher in the former scenario. I think there would be that much more to gain from a Bernie presidency.
Fenderputty
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Bingo. A ground down blue plastic toothbrush shiv.
I'm a huge Sanders supporter, but of course I'm going to vote for Hilary in November. I like Sanders more but I don't really have much of a problem with Hilary honestly. The first woman president will be great for this nation, and in my mind Hilary will make a great diplomatic leader.
So for now, #feelthebern but no doubt early next year it will be yaaas,hillary!
And sorry for the folks that feel like there is too much risk even voting for Sanders. I really don't think you have anything to worry about anyway. I'm voting for whom I believe is the best candidate for my ideals of this country.
That's actually pretty great.
I've seen people argue Sanders supporters should not vote for him. Wasn't calling out those who have personally decided on a vote against him, but those who say his supporters should also vote against him.
Thunder Monkey
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And the weird thing?
I love Bernie!
I've followed him religiously since his vote against the Iraq War.
I just worry that Dems are overreaching what the public finds acceptable. They do agree with his politics taken individually, but you wrap it in the reality of what it is "Socialism" and way too many from our side balk.
And that's too scary a prospect for me when we're likely looking at, at least two Supreme Court nominations coming up in the next administration. Maybe more. That's a hell of a lurch to the right in the wrong hands.
Jeevesmeister
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And people wonder why I make the argument Hillary is a Republican placating faux-leftist.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I have no problem with Bernie Sanders the person. He seems like a real nice guy. But his followers...yeesh. The guy so much as sneezes and there's constant talk about it.
I also have a problem with not voting because your guy lost in the primaries. I will never subscribe to that notion.
Thunder Monkey
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Trust me, no one wonders why you say this shit.
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