Not to mention his face model is literally the same as Big Boss's, just without all the extra hair and a younger skin texture.
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Raiden had sex with his mom over a decade before the start of MGS2. Please don't reference this Kojima. 5 is cements Big Boss as GOAT so fuck all that shit you talking about. Big Boss raised TWO armies by himself and convinced the world, according to rumors, that his body double was a villain. Big Boss is the GOAT after TPP whereas Solid Snake is the boss with 1/4 the talent.
There are pics of the medics face out in the wild already.
This everybody is Venom Snake, please be gentle to him, he's about to experience a 9 year coma and wake up a different man.
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I gotta say, this morning everybody seemed to be "whoooaaa"ing about Grey Fox. Someone brings it back up like it's a new idea and there's "hell naw"ing everywhere.
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Looks like Kiefer to meThere are pics of the medics face out in the wild already.
This everybody is Venom Snake, please be gentle to him, he's about to experience a 9 year coma and wake up a different man.
Here's the reason: $$$
They saved up on some cash voicing and mocapping with Keifer.
If you guys really think the fucking unnamed medic is going to be Venom Snake, I don't know what to say.
There are pics of the medics face out in the wild already.
This everybody is Venom Snake, please be gentle to him, he's about to experience a 9 year coma and wake up a different man.
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There are pics of the medics face out in the wild already.
This everybody is Venom Snake, please be gentle to him, he's about to experience a 9 year coma and wake up a different man.
I'm sure they were aware that PC people could fuck around and see the models. That's probably a place holder.
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But the spoilers have said that Skull Face was hired by Zero to oversee big boss's success even pre-snake eater.
Also, if some no name medic can easily be good enough to replace him, it ruins big boss as the perfect soldier. It paints him as being useless and it pisses me off and I hope it isn't true.
Big boss is the only character kojima hasn't ruined yet.
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Ok so this is what I have so far, adding new info overtime.
All info has been confirmed with the guide leak.
Skull face origins and history with Big Boss
Bosses
Volgin AKA Fireman
Eli
Skulls
Armor Version
Camouflage version
General Info
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Glad to see Extreme difficulty confirmed. It's one of the most basic things in an MGS game but there was some serious radio silence with respect to choosing difficulty.
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Some good info, thanks. Wonder if gray fox is mentioned at all in the guide
Ok so this is what I have so far, adding new info overtime.
Story spoilers confirmed from the guide
Skull face origins and history with Big Boss
Bosses
Volgin AKA Fireman
Eli
Skulls
Armor Version
Camouflage version
General Info
Crossing Eden
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It is possible that the guide is referring to later encounters as "extreme difficulty' since it shows that they have much larger health pools during those missions. Or it could be referring to hard mode. Or you're right and extreme difficulty changes enemy places and bosses show up in different levels.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yeah it might be predetermined without any way to manually choose. Like the first X number are Normal, next Y on hard, last Z on Extreme, e.t.c.
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Like in peacewalker
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Isn't the fact that venom snake FORGETS the Russian language a good demonstrator that it's not the real big boss?
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IIrc Kojima said that it was the result of a brain injury,* insert fiddle joke here*
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Too many coincidences!!!!!
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First off, the newest Metal Gear from the last trailer and the guide is so sick. Looks like Jehutey with a Rex head. Soo Awesome!
What isn't imo though, is playing another entire Metal Gear game as someone other than Snake. If we find out TPP's main playable character is a look alike or someone made too look like Snake I'm going to be throughly disappointed. Especially since this is the last game. Solidus is one thing, but some random medic! Wtf.
What isn't imo though, is playing another entire Metal Gear game as someone other than Snake. If we find out TPP's main playable character is a look alike or someone made too look like Snake I'm going to be throughly disappointed. Especially since this is the last game. Solidus is one thing, but some random medic! Wtf.
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It's chico, bro. Lmao.
Who fuckin knows.
Who fuckin knows.
Crossing Eden
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Man changing imagery specifically for the trailers and lying during interviews. Kojima's the true monster here.
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Shauni, this is specifically for you. Lmao
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XOF is Umbrella, confirmed.
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Your source is still the italian guide, right? In the italian version of Ground Zeroes, hard mode is called "Estrema"(=Extreme)
Just to refresh, the guide states the following points.
This information is taken from these pictures:
http://batmariafg.imgur.com
A video proving the validity of the these pictures can also be seen here:
http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4
http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4
I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated these points myself from the pictures in the link.
Other native Italian speakers have also verified these points.
General
- Avatar creation is for the online elements only.
- The are 50 main missions.
- Quiet leaves you after mission 43 and to finish her story you will have to find her after the main one is over.
- The last mission is against the Metal Gear controlled by "The Third Child".
- Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss and speaks while doing so.
- The "man on fire" is Volgin. You have to get recover his body in Chapter 2.
- The guide says it's safe to assume that Eli is Liquid Snake.
- The alternate name of the ST-84 Metal Gear is confirmed to be the Sahelathropus.
Big Boss/Ahab
- The guide strongly suggests through clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the version of Big Boss who awakens from the coma in the hospital. This version of Big Boss is know as Ahab.
- The guide notes that Big Boss and the Medic have similar voices, so he is a strong candidate for being the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital.
- The guide also says that the Big Boss we see on the operating table in the "Don't you die on me dammit!" scene from the trailers does not have shrapnel in his head. The guide suggests that the Medic is the person to mostly have the shrapnel in his head, while also being the same hospital room, as he protected Big Boss from the Paz's bomb blast in the chopper in Ground Zeroes.
- The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens for the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match, which again gives a glue to Ahab's identity.
- The guide notes that when Eli asks Ocelot where his father is, Ocelot replies that "Your father isn't here". This is despite the fact that Ahab is watching their conversation behind a two-way mirror.
Ishmael
- The guide doesn't say who Ishmael definitely say who Ishmeal is. Konami and Kojima Production asked Piggyback, the creators of the guide, not ti reveal it. Ishmael identity is revealed in an optional mission after the main story has ended.
- Huey is not sure of the version of Big Boss/Ahab's identity when he first meets him.
- It does however, go over some fan theories and gives clues towards the true identity of Ishmael.
- The guide discusses the theory that Ishmael is imaginary. It says that this can't be the case as Quiet sees Ishmael when she comes to assassinate the version of Big Boss/Venom Snake/Ahab that awakens for the coma in hospital.
- The guide says that the fact that there are "The Star of Bethlehem" lilies in the Ishmael's and the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens for the coma's room is a strong clue to the real identity of Ishmael. The states that these were The Boss' were hold a significance to The Boss.
- When Ahab sees the ghost of Paz the first time at Mother Base, he has an hallucination where there are clearly two versions of Big Boss on the chopper.
Music Tapes
The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations. These are additional to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
Laid Back - White Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwATF5dnfq4
Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWGXt979yg
Ultravox - Dancing With Tears in My Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWvPMxsDb_s
Kajagoogoo - Too Shy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nozewQJ4hyw
Japan - Quiet Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrW3SLcC3OM
Gloria - Laura Branigan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnJCEuyUac
Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Right Round (Like a Record)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
Patti LaBelle - I'm In Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1rKd_ZJ7TU
Cynhtia Harrell - Snake Eater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPNtpsaZD1o
This information is taken from these pictures:
http://batmariafg.imgur.com
A video proving the validity of the these pictures can also be seen here:
http://a.pomf.cat/vmqfmv.mp4
http://a.pomf.cat/qzeauc.mp4
I am semi-fluent in Italian and have personally translated these points myself from the pictures in the link.
Other native Italian speakers have also verified these points.
General
- Avatar creation is for the online elements only.
- The are 50 main missions.
- Quiet leaves you after mission 43 and to finish her story you will have to find her after the main one is over.
- The last mission is against the Metal Gear controlled by "The Third Child".
- Quiet goes to the hospital to kill Big Boss and speaks while doing so.
- The "man on fire" is Volgin. You have to get recover his body in Chapter 2.
- The guide says it's safe to assume that Eli is Liquid Snake.
- The alternate name of the ST-84 Metal Gear is confirmed to be the Sahelathropus.
Big Boss/Ahab
- The guide strongly suggests through clues that the Medic from Ground Zeroes is the version of Big Boss who awakens from the coma in the hospital. This version of Big Boss is know as Ahab.
- The guide notes that Big Boss and the Medic have similar voices, so he is a strong candidate for being the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens from the coma in hospital.
- The guide also says that the Big Boss we see on the operating table in the "Don't you die on me dammit!" scene from the trailers does not have shrapnel in his head. The guide suggests that the Medic is the person to mostly have the shrapnel in his head, while also being the same hospital room, as he protected Big Boss from the Paz's bomb blast in the chopper in Ground Zeroes.
- The guide says that the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens for the coma in hospital has a DNA test done with Eli. Their DNA does not match. The guide goes on to state that Eli is a clone of the real Big Boss, their DNA should match, which again gives a glue to Ahab's identity.
- The guide notes that when Eli asks Ocelot where his father is, Ocelot replies that "Your father isn't here". This is despite the fact that Ahab is watching their conversation behind a two-way mirror.
Ishmael
- The guide doesn't say who Ishmael definitely say who Ishmeal is. Konami and Kojima Production asked Piggyback, the creators of the guide, not ti reveal it. Ishmael identity is revealed in an optional mission after the main story has ended.
- Huey is not sure of the version of Big Boss/Ahab's identity when he first meets him.
- It does however, go over some fan theories and gives clues towards the true identity of Ishmael.
- The guide discusses the theory that Ishmael is imaginary. It says that this can't be the case as Quiet sees Ishmael when she comes to assassinate the version of Big Boss/Venom Snake/Ahab that awakens for the coma in hospital.
- The guide says that the fact that there are "The Star of Bethlehem" lilies in the Ishmael's and the version of Big Boss/Ahab that awakens for the coma's room is a strong clue to the real identity of Ishmael. The states that these were The Boss' were hold a significance to The Boss.
- When Ahab sees the ghost of Paz the first time at Mother Base, he has an hallucination where there are clearly two versions of Big Boss on the chopper.
Music Tapes
The map from the guide also confirms that these are some of the music tapes that are collectable from different locations. These are additional to some of the other music tapes that have already been confirmed:
Laid Back - White Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwATF5dnfq4
Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWGXt979yg
Ultravox - Dancing With Tears in My Eyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWvPMxsDb_s
Kajagoogoo - Too Shy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nozewQJ4hyw
Japan - Quiet Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrW3SLcC3OM
Gloria - Laura Branigan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnJCEuyUac
Dead or Alive - You Spin Me Right Round (Like a Record)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
Patti LaBelle - I'm In Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1rKd_ZJ7TU
Cynhtia Harrell - Snake Eater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPNtpsaZD1o
Crossing Eden
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Oh, that makes a lot of sense.Your source is still the italian guide, right? In the italian version of Ground Zeroes, hard mode is called "Estrema"(=Extreme)
Konami ninjas are gonna be busy as hell tomorrow. >
"Hey, we need someone to dub that completely irrelevant unnamed character... I know, let's use the most expensive member of our cast! You know, to save money! And then, we'll probably do the same for the Japanese version. Coincidentally, of course."
Meanwhile, in Italy:
"Apparently, we're not allowed to flat-out reveal the big final twist... But I guess we can publish some hints... that point to some completely false conclusion! Because that makes sense, right? Right."
You may not like the idea that we'll be playing as some unnamed-medic-turned-Big-Boss-decoy (can't say I was too fond of it either back when it first came up), but it sure looks like it's what's going to happen.
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could it be the sorrow?
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I still don't like how the guide "suggests" and "speculates" on things. It's supposed to be the official guide, it should know stuff instead of "assuming that it's Liquid."
packy34
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It isn't speculation. They just aren't allowed to flat-out say it because Konami wanted it that way. What they can do, apparently, is hint at things.
RyanardoDaVinci
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Nah, he's already ruined Big Boss via character dismemberment.
The character defining traits of Big Boss have been surgically removed and transplanted into other characters:
Big Boss was the greatest soldier ever because he just was. Nope, The Boss taught him everything.
Big Boss created and led a (the first?) PMC. Nope, Miller is the one that pushes him into it and runs mostly everything.
Big Boss creates a nation for soldiers, of soldiers. Nope, that was Gene's idea.
It says "it's safe to assume". Keep in mind that the page that this is taken from is pretty the last page in the guide, so it's still trying to not directly spoil the story for the reader.
And just to clarify, in terms of the identity of the version of Big Boss/Ahab of that awakens from the coma in the hospital, the Medic and Ishmael, the guide says that they are giving clues.
It is not "speculation" or suggestions", they are clues
None of that makes him a worse character, it makes him a better, more believable character. Complaints 2 and 3 are just absurd. So he got some help to achieve some goals? Yep, now he's worthless! /s
And the first point is just an origin story. Instead of just knowing/inventing CQC and being a sharpshooter in the cradle, he was trained by and then surpassed a master.
Of course, a lot of this will be undone if we don't actually play as BB in MGS V.
SnakeLinkSonic
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Pretty much. Big Boss has been trash since Snake Eater's conclusion. I'm happy to have this be MGSV: Big Boss is a Punk, Fuck Him
Wanda/Wander
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Nope. Sorry. Big Boss is still a badass. He beat the Boss in a one on one fight. You can't explain that away. Nah he's still GOAT
Crossing Eden
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From the sound of it fultoning them gives you their parasites for special items like invisibility and enhanced armor.
Remember that Skullface may be the only reason that he succeeded in the first place.
Oh so this is the one from the 2015 E3 trailer with the zombies.
She is holding a sniper rifle in one of the guide scans and one skull is in heavy armor and another one is holding a sword.
Do you actually fight them all togther on each battle?
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