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Hillary Clinton's lead a puddle in the Sanders Sahara #deadheat #feelthebern
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Jeb Bush
Jeb. He should be leading (in his party) but has said and done some stupid fucking things that kind of killed him.
His words on women's rights will haunt him, hopefully.
The GOP. Trainwreck that is super-obvious but that no one in the party can see coming because they've invested too much money and time into what they think are "brilliant" ideas that people actually hate.
Trump is Kinect.
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I'm not going to go into my usual long explanation, but my question is this.
Why do you think the thing people differentiate Sanders and Hillary on is what they claim to be their policy positions?
Pretty much. I'll still take that as a win over "there is literally 0% chance of him winning anything ever"
Like I said before: the polls trail the sentiment, and the analysis trails the polls.
Bernie is gaining ground and that's good enough for me.
RustyNails
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Trump is actually Oculus/Morpheus. Very exciting, shows potential if used right, but could also be the biggest disaster in the history of human race.
ErasureAcer
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All she does is lie. This is one example.
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I know she didn't want to run for president but did she ever rule out being on a ticket as VP? Imagine a Sanders/Warren ticket? They'd win for sure.
Sadly this is some peoples metric of a good politician.
People will say Hillary is "experienced" because she can lie and twist words with the best of them.
To me this is an admirable trait in a defense attroney but not a public servant.
One could argue a politician is an evolved lawyer anyways and they do the same thing, convince people their theory is correct and to doubt the other side. It's just instead of deciding the fate of one man they decide the fate of millions.
shinra-bansho
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I like that the thread has reached the point where it's recognised how much some of these arguments parallel console/product wars...
Awareness, and the false impression that it is sufficient, basically mirrors the use of the catchall term "marketing." (No one knows what the Wii U is!)
Electability is basically application of network effects.
All these great exclusives aren't necessarily sufficient value drivers for a broader market. But people generally fail to see not everyone values and weights the same dimensions as them.
And so on.
Awareness, and the false impression that it is sufficient, basically mirrors the use of the catchall term "marketing." (No one knows what the Wii U is!)
Electability is basically application of network effects.
All these great exclusives aren't necessarily sufficient value drivers for a broader market. But people generally fail to see not everyone values and weights the same dimensions as them.
And so on.
Really wish she had run, oh well we still have Bernie.
Everyone knows all the anti-Hillary talk from the Bernie-stans will end before the convention and everyone in here will be behind her 110%. No Bernie supporter is going to switch the the Republican over Hillary.
Not to mention we are adults. No one is a big enough piece of shit to sit at home and act all salty and refuse to vote and help Trump or Jeb Bush or Scott Walker win.
EVERYONE in this thread is voting Hillary in November 2016, we all know this lets not kid ourselves.
Not to mention we are adults. No one is a big enough piece of shit to sit at home and act all salty and refuse to vote and help Trump or Jeb Bush or Scott Walker win.
EVERYONE in this thread is voting Hillary in November 2016, we all know this lets not kid ourselves.
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ls hillary still electable?http://reverbpress.com/politics/hillary-still-electable-maybe-maybe-not/
shinra-bansho
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Time for plan B
then.
iden
Fenderputty
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I agree, but it's just not realistic yet. A couple more states need to pass it and the dominos will fall like they did with gay marriage.
EDIT: So if president are the consoles then I think the people in congress could be the games.
If Hillary ever imploded that is the back up plan. The entire establishment and the party organization would immediately rally around him.
No. Don't forget the "my vote does not matter I live in red or blue state".
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So basically anyone but Bernie? I think it's pretty hypocritical to expect Bernie supporters to fall in line but you guys won't do the same if Hilldawg implodes.
Oh and spare me the electability excuses.
Yes, the party establishment, elected officials, big name donors, etc obviously would go Biden over Bernie if something happened to Hillary. That isn't even up for debate.
Spare you the electoral excuse? That is the MOST important factor for party organization and leaders. Above all else.
Ditto. If Hillary imploded which I highly doubt will ever happen, I would jump ship to Biden.
As would the entire party organization. It would be immediate. There would be no question who would pick up her support.
Biden is clearly the party's back up plan in the unlikely scenario that she imploded.
Yep. Bernie is great but when you have followed elections for multiple decades you get over the "my candidate or bust!" nonsense and realize how this game works. The craziness for Bernie is for the young and naive. I was a hopeless Bill Bradley and Howard Dean guy in 00 and 04.
God damn I loved Bill Bradley. Bernie wishes he could be as awesome of a liberal alternative to the unavoidable nominee as Bradley was.
NobleXenon
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I'm not going to lie, my friends and I (as well as some of my acquaintances) changed our registration from Independents to Democrats just so we can do the caucus thing for Bernie. Though the one flaw I see is that Bernie is attracting a lot of independents who are white, lol. When I went to the Reno, NV rally he seems to be working on that.
I'll obviously vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination; my Hispanic friends say anyone but Trump.
When you realize the base of the Democratic primary is Hispanics, African Americans, and women and see Bernies is white men it becomes pretty obvious why he isn't going anywhere.
White liberal men is a niche of the Democratic Party, a loud one but not one that can sway primaries at all.
NobleXenon
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Yup. The Reno, NV rally had minority speakers who spoke about that; they were at least self-aware. His nomination team or whatever has a lot of work cut out for them.
SolarPowered
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Biden is also a year younger than Bernie. It's not always about being electable or establishment. You Bernie supporters are so paranoid.
Bernie is great, but establishment democrats and the DNC will always find an excuse. They'd probably back O'Malley sooner.
Edit: The first result for O'Malley on Google is this. The DNC would probably still push him over Sanders too.
ErasureAcer
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3 people have commented on my Bernie shirt in public on separate occasions, all in support. 2 white ladies and white guy.
theprodigy
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If Bernie actually wins the primary, the Hillary supporters here would vote for him in the general...or at least I'd hope so.
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The birthers/hillary is 44 wouldn't but yeah we Bernie supporters are the crazies.
Just talking for myself, but.. hell yes. And I'd do my best to lobby friends and family to do the same.
DrForester
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I think Biden getting in would hurt Hillary and give Bernie the best chance to win. Biden won't be siphoning support from Bernie, he'll split the Hillary supporters.
Jaladinozozo
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I think he's too old to win the general in 2016
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I can't even tell if the "policy" they think she didn't follow was the FOIA request or the email request. In fact, it seems unlikely a judge would say she didn't follow the email policy at this stage.
BertramCooper
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obviously at this point it's the "whatever the fuck Erasure et al. wants it to be" request
So they cost too much to produce, are bloated with modern dumbing down, and aren't worthwhile most of the time?
Ziltoidia 9
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A few years ago I vowed to never give money to a politician for campaign funds, but yesterday I did the minimum (3$) to Bernie's campaign. I like the idea of an everyman funded campaign and wanted to support it. It isn't much...but I guess its more of a statement.
ErasureAcer
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While you're in the business of counting Facebook likes, it seems that Trump's crowd numbers have surpassed Bernie's.
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/635155091566272513
Get moving, Erasure. Bernie needs more Facebook likes.
ErasureAcer
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"The campaign and local officials had said they expected more than 30,000 people, but media estimates put the crowd at closer to 20,000."
Source: Newsweek
Perpetuating the 30,000k is shameless.
So you think "media estimates" are more accurate than the offices police department report who are hired to manage the crowds?
You have seriously lost it. The numbers from the police reports are ALWAYS the official figure as far back as I have been following politics. The media estimates are just initial on the scene guesses from journalists.
You are digging yourself in a hole on this one.
The location holds 45k, police said 30k showed up. Thus 15k empty seats.
Again the police department reports are always the closest ways to gauge these things. Journalists eyeballing it is not more accurate.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Wish there were more pictures when he was giving the speech. Not that hard to get an idea of the number by looking.
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