Forza Motorsport 6 Demo Frame-Rate Test (Digital Foundry)
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JackAubrey
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Could be - the game's likely still loading while they are shown.
Would streaming data reduce performance of a game?
I tend to think it's more like the gran turismo situation, they may be using higher quality shaders during intros, much like how GT5+ used 30fps for replays.
It uses higher quality models and more post processing effects during those segments, hence the drop in frame rate.
In any case, highly impressive performance, as always.
You're probably right.
I can understand it for photomode, just wonder how much difference it makes for the short intros.
BuffetChamp
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Was watching some vids with the rain and car wavering through puddles. Then the DF analysis,nice! But I still haven't beaten F5 or FH2 yet. :/
There can't be, it never moves from 60fps.
Credit to T10. This game looks better than FM5, has weather, with 8 more cars on track. They've done an amazing job.
Compression artifact.Yeah, I see that too.
Its not. Watch their video from 0:57 at 0.25x speed.
It runs at 60fps, with a 16.6ms frame time constantly. Technically, it can't tear.
Could you point out exactly where on the indy car it takes place. I watched the video at .25 speed over and over and don't see it.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Look at the left side of the spoiler.
Easier to spot it on the right rear wheel. The rim is split into 2
The rear wheel is where it is most apparent.
And the suggested line arrow, although looks like something other than tearing.
TBiddy
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You're watching a compressed video on Youtube. Not many games look particularely good in those.
But sure, if you're comparing FM6 to DC, DC will most likely win. But then again, DC is running 30fps, not 60.
FM6 could use some more AA in places, but if that would mean dropping to 900p and/or 30fps, that's not a trade I'm willing to take.
Have people forgot that tearing only occurs when frame timing messes up?
It doesn't budge from 60, or 16.6ms. It's not tearing. You'll have to find something else to dwell on.
This is what we count as "horrible" IQ these days?, damn....
I think Driveclub has spoilt us in terms of graphics.
I mean, how do people expect this game to stand up to DC when it runs on less powerful hardware, running a more complex physics engine, running twice the frame rate and twice the amount of AI on screen. Of course DC is going to look a lot better.
justsomeguy
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30ish posts before DC is mentioned. FFS.
Yeah, I see that too.
Edit: Updated with a better image.
How can a screen tear not be across the entire screen? Appears to affect only the Indy car and the drive line and nothing else.
While I truly don't understand how people say this looks bad...I do wonder if they're using a few iterations to get to content up to snuff and introduce a visual leap later a la forza 4.
It's odd that there's no strobing light reflection on the cars passing through the tunnel.
Are they rendering a simplified car model mirrored and blurred for car reflections? It doesn't make sense that they'd be individually rendered (or not based on distance?) otherwise.
The LOD changes on that red car several times. The simplified version being without wing mirrors, proper headlights etc. But more noticeable is the cars reflection which disappears and re-appears randomly. Don't know how much you'd really notice it in game though.
Dictator93
Member
The lod is very agressive
Welcome to consoles @ 60hz. I am pretty sure a game with modern graphics on consoles @60hz will always have an agressive LOD.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
The player's car and barrier on the right aren't changing position much (relative to the camera) frame to frame so tearing isn't very visible in those areas, especially with blurry YouTube quality.
Not that they are comparable, but how aggressive is the LOD in the console versions of MGSV? I haven't opened my copy yet, but it'd be interesting to know how well they've gotten around it.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Not too bad (detail popping) except when travelling very fast by helicopter or to a lesser degree D-Walker.
Shadow quality's by far the weakest visual feature in general.
Sheesh... Your and my definition of "horrible" must be VASTLY different...
LukasTaves
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I'm very impressed with what they achieved, I just wish IQ was a bit better, perhaps they should move from msaa to something else (assuming they kept the msaa2x from F5) because for them msaa clearly doesn't solve the Aliasing issues.
Well, they are pushing 24 cars on track, with a locked 60, and with weather... something has got to give.
The lod is very agressive
Well, they are pushing 24 cars on track, with a locked 60, and with weather... something has got to give.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
I could be wrong, but from what I can tell there is more visual polish in the intros. It was actually a little jarring going from the intro into gameplay on the first track. The intro seemed to have much better AA, and better effects. I can't quite put my thumb on what was different, but it definitely looked better to me.
Diablohead
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The lod is very agressive
I've seen this kind of LOD pop in all the forza games, some cars hide it better then others because of things like window outlines and rear lights suddenly changing shades of red and so forth, it's annoying only because whoever made the LODs for each car did a sloppy job.
It´s better than in Forza 5 but not as good is in Horizon 2.