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SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I have only heard this; haven't gotten there myself:
1. Cause a dust storm with the weather changer device thing.
2. Drop supply drops on her which she cannot dodge during a dust storm.
Ether_Snake
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Mantis seems to just be trying to escalate things, so he doesn't care who he is helping. If there's one person's taste for revenge he could feed on it should be Miller. Either way, he seems to be just following Volgin to BB. When Volgin is face to face with BB, he wants to kill him. Mantis doesn't seem to have control on who attacks who, he just gives people a chance to exercise their revenge. He doesn't pilot the Salethropolous, Eli does.
So presumably, eventually he'll give someone else the chance to exercise their revenge. Maybe Miller, maybe V, Eli, I don't know.
Mantis plane flies over Volgin
Mantis senses great hate of Volgin for BB so he resurrects him
Volgin finds BB
Meanwhile XOF arrived to the hospital
Mantis senses a hate greater than Volgin has for BB and that's SkullFace's hate for Zero
Mantis gives control of Volgin to SkullFace
In the hangar SkullFace wants BB to face Volgin but Mantis senses an hate greater than SkullFace's
Mantis gives control of everything to Liquid
Volgin is disposed of because Liquid wants to kick BB's butt with Sahelanthropus
Mantis makes no sense. Power creep is nuts. They never confirm he's Mantis either and he didn't seem to have any personality but one of the song titles in the soundtrack is "Angering Mantis" so I guess he is.
Drop a weapon box on her head. Just before it hits her head, pop out so she fires at you instead of dodging it. Safer than sniping for the same efficiency. If you don't care about rank you can just sleep bombard her.
Drop a weapon box on her head. Just before it hits her head, pop out so she fires at you instead of dodging it. Safer than sniping for the same efficiency. If you don't care about rank you can just sleep bombard her.
SkylineRKR
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Yeah its true. Mantis is actually a slave. He lets himself being used by someone with hate. Thats so different from the Mantis we know, though he might be someone else (don't think so but still).
I don't think Zero controlled him. Volgin was out for the kill, which would defeat the whole purpose. He can Game Over you in the prologue. Zero doesn't have hate.
Its more likely that he wanted BB dead by his hand, not the special forces. So either Mantis was a lone wolf there (but wtf would he end up there?), or he was just using XOF to kill. It looks like he's more like toying with BB throughout the game anyway.
I don't think Zero controlled him. Volgin was out for the kill, which would defeat the whole purpose. He can Game Over you in the prologue. Zero doesn't have hate.
Its more likely that he wanted BB dead by his hand, not the special forces. So either Mantis was a lone wolf there (but wtf would he end up there?), or he was just using XOF to kill. It looks like he's more like toying with BB throughout the game anyway.
AHA-Lambda
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This is a fair point :/
So between MGS 3 and peace walker he set up the Patriots and foxhound, had the les enfants terrible project, and left.
And we've also got to see him come back to foxhound?
Alot of stuff still never seen in game.
Why would he go back to foxhound? Isn't it part of the U.S. army? And hence Cipher?
It always felt to me like something was missing before PW :/
Sub_Level
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Fact is there is no information on the extent to which Venom and BB were in contact between MGSV and MG1 nor is there information on the nature of their relationship (amiable vs hostile). A new question in the plot has been created.
Yeah I think this is where I'm ultimately pretty unsatisfied by the ending.
I bought into and was excited by the whole story about this being Big Boss' fall to evil. I don't think we see anything close to that level of development. I mean, obviously he's a complete tosser and like others have said, already evil by the time the game kicks off in many ways. But as things stand, MGSV is essentially Big Boss escapes hospital, goes off to found Outer Heaven and that's it. We know NOTHING more about that, or what he's upto, or any real tie between this and Metal Gear, than we did before MGSV came out. And that's pretty annoying.
The MGS1 fanboy in me did really love seeing Liquid and Psycho Mantis though. I equally want to see some more development on their side between now and Shadow Moses, but suspect we won't get it.
The talk of "more questions than answers" and of significant plot threads being cut is definitely evident and true. It's a damn shame.
Sub_Level
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I think you are supposed to have some sort of sniper duel with her or something but everyone on the internet realized supply drops are the mlg pro method.
XANDER CAGE
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Metal Gear as a series has been going for nearly 30 years now, but we've never really actually gotten a decent look at Big Boss as a villain. The original Metal Gear games are so far removed from what the series became starting with Solid it's hard to reconcile them as even being related. That's part of what makes the end of V so frustrating - we'd finally see a villainous Big Boss in better-than-8-bit detail.
Like on one hand, it's cool and pretty daring that the ending of this gigantic jillion dollar game hinges on your knowledge of an MSX/NES game, but that's about as far as the novelty stretches. It's a bad ending that leaves the whole 30 year run, but especially the Solid run, without a satisfying main villain. It's their own fault, too, because he became less interesting as a villain the more they tried to explain him with PO, PW, and TPP.
nah i meant like dropping things on her. is it just supply jobs that do the trick or can i crush her with a jeep for humming to loud? i busted her ass from a distance with the tranq pistol because i'm big boss damnit
To note: it was seemingly intended to end with a MGS homage, but they ran out of all those gigantic jillions of dollars.
Crossing Eden
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The moment Venom goes crazy is missing. Or extremely well hidden, I really want the context for this scene.
SnakeLinkSonic
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Drop a tank on the field, get in, win.
OR
Order bombing runs on her.
OR
Spend an hour tediously poking your head out to bait her shots and position so you can knock off her health bit by bit.
oh god. maybe the truth ending was just a place-holder because of no time/money being left.
kojima opened the mouth of metal gear canon and tossed a grenade inside.
WrenchNinja
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You'd think selling an overpriced demo earlier would have helped
ViewtifulJC
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I don't understand anything about what they were trying to do with Ocelot. He might as well had just been another character entirely. Its more than just Troy Baker's take being completely out of sync with Zimmerman/Keaton, its everything about his personality and characterization. I get no sense that this person is the same guy from MGS1-4.
I'm pretty sure I came across the spot that showed all those bodies burning while playing, and then I thought something was wrong because I never got that cutscene.
Disappointing that seemingly so much was cut, especially that groundbreaking feature that was getting hyped for importing a GZ save.
SkylineRKR
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I think its not missing. But changed. He does it after he executed his infected men, horn is also very long in that scene.
EmCeeGramr
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MGS1-4 Ocelot: Greetings.... friend!!! *mffmfmf* It's time you see.... THE TRUTH.... *mffmfmf* Excuse me... *flips guns three times* I was just busy chewing this.... SCENERYyyyyyyyyyyy
MGSV Ocelot: howdy there friends. let's set a spell and i'll tell y'all bout the boss and what he's done. and if you need any advice, glad to lend a hand
AHA-Lambda
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What's with the random shot of NYC at the end?
Ether_Snake
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Oh it's nothing, it's just where the AI resides, at least according to Solidus.
We don't know. Some speculate something is supposed to happen on sept 11 because of the ingsoc website.
Death Metalist
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AHA-Lambda
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Oh shit, we got Evangelioned! D:
Oh yeah, these are missing =/
What feature?
Everything since 3 seems to paint BB as a guy trying to do what he thinks is right (providing deterrence and soldiers to nations that can't compete with the Philosophers/super powers) and TPP definitely doesn't do much to dispel the notion that he's still doing that by the events of MG2. He gives a long speech in MG2 about how war begets more war and how soldiers (child or otherwise) can't go back to a normal life. He's seeking a place for them outside the system of control that Zero has unleashed. At the time we thought he was a complete nut but at the time we had absolutely no context. We still really don't have the context for what happened to Big Boss in those years. We probably never will.
ViewtifulJC
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This seems like by far the most logical way to end the game, and yet we don't have it.
I don't even care if Kojima isn't doing it, we need a Metal Gear Solid 6. MGSV, while a phenomenal game, leaves too much stuff just frustratingly hanging.
I'm so disappointed they made Ocelot as forgettable as they did.
There's nothing. No cockiness. No reloading fetish. They don't even set up things like the 'Target Practice' side op as you competing with Ocelot's best times, or anything.
It sort of works in the sense that he's a spy, so he should have a fairly malleable personality, but no personality at all shows in MGSV.
I'm hoping MGO imbues him with something.
There's nothing. No cockiness. No reloading fetish. They don't even set up things like the 'Target Practice' side op as you competing with Ocelot's best times, or anything.
It sort of works in the sense that he's a spy, so he should have a fairly malleable personality, but no personality at all shows in MGSV.
I'm hoping MGO imbues him with something.
XANDER CAGE
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Which reminds me: man, I really wish Ground Zeroes hadn't been cut out separately now. It would have been a much better way to get into the action quicker as an introduction, made the hospital intro less of a chore to be played through to get to the actual game and more of an interesting change of pace, and also would have kept all the medic/helicopter/MSF betrayal crap front and center.
ViewtifulJC
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Ocelot might as well just been Miller, for all the personality he displayed. Just another mentor. Just a dude who walks around the base with spurs on and looks/sounds exactly like Troy Baker.
Don't know the specifics, but Kojima was hyping it up about how it was only possible through video games. Could have sworn that having extra missions at Camp Omega was one of it.
KOMANI
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No, please no more Metal Gear Solid! The plot line is a gorgon knot at this point.
Let's get a refreshing take from someone else with some new characters
and Solid Snake
yeah what the heck was up with people holding the intro up as one of the greatest in gaming history?
I was bored the entire time, and the spectacle didn't even make sense. Ishmael would do dumb shit, the attacking soldiers do dumb shit, Volgin's power is all over the place, then suddenly flaming whale.
You barely learned how to play the game, lol
SkylineRKR
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Liquid being involved in the attacks in MGS lore. In 2000 he joined Foxhound. In 2005 he was in Shadow Moses. It could be but it would be a bit too controversial.
I don't think Ground Zeroes and the opening sequence could co-exist in the same game. The hospital is very definitely a tutorial, and also a great narrative jumping off point (because whether the player knows the story, and whether they know the controls or not, is intrinsically explained by the scenario).
The hospital sequence could have used some editing, though.
XANDER CAGE
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The MSX data tapes from GZ and TPP are likely the only things left that could be a really huge secret. That Camp Omega stuff is probably lost forever. It's amazing that we were even shown the Episode 51 stuff. Wonder how that got approved.
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Listen to the end of MPO when he talks to Zero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcI0jo6donQ
THAT is the Ocelot we know.
Also,"Battle data, from the perfect soldier?" (that's Gray Fox for those who don't know) "Genes... genome?" "I'll help you with the project. But on one condition. I want him to join us. Yes, Big Boss. So that we can become The Patriots."
Either MPO is not cannon anymore, or MGSV is in line with that phone conversation, and V is the product of all this.
Not happening.
I literally just got done fighting her. I had the 50 caliber sniper unlocked (Brennan LRS-46) and it took like 4 shots to kill her. Have D-Dog with you, as he'll help you find her if you can't.
Sub_Level
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Or Solidus. Wouldn't be surprised. Ames thought Solidus' plan was to shut the NYC financial district down with a nuke detonated in the atmospheres and turn Manhattan into a republic.
AHA-Lambda
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Does anything happen with Paz after showing her all photos?
Yeah, iroincally, he ends up like Miller in MGS 1 =/
Yeah, iroincally, he ends up like Miller in MGS 1 =/
ocelot is 40 now, remember. he's not the cocky 20 year old sharpshooter. he's probably in the middle of his midlife crisis in the middle of the ocean on what is effectively a military base. he's saving fake assholes from hospitals instead of buying a sports car and getting a partner half his age. that's gotta kill a dude's soul real quick.
The Silver
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Kaz is the real Big Boss, he's the brains and ambition behind MSF, always looking to expand and fight. He's the one who becomes consumed with revenge, hes the one who keeps ordering you around like you're a common grunt. He's the one who takes Solid under his wing. He has the fucking trenchcoat.
All this time Miller's sunglasses were behind it all.
All this time Miller's sunglasses were behind it all.
Crossing Eden
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Yea I wouldn't be surprised if I found it during one of the main ops or side ops. It seemed like it was supposed to be the most powerful scene besides hallway scene and subsequent scene with the ashes.
Yes
Strangelove77
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Now that I've thought this through a bit more - Big Boss disliked the idea of cloning himself so much that it basically started a war, but was totally cool with another human being surrendering up his past, present and future so that he could sound, look, and act like Big Boss?
Also - Kojima thought it was totally cool to reuse Ocelot's poor explanation for being Liquid in MGS4, even though everyone hated the fuck out of it in MGS4?
Also - Kojima thought it was totally cool to reuse Ocelot's poor explanation for being Liquid in MGS4, even though everyone hated the fuck out of it in MGS4?
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