Robdraggoo
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Any tips on salanthropous. I keep dying. Ive gotten him down to a tiny bit of health but keep failing. Anything to know to make this fight easier
SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).
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SomedayTheFire
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Again, a crossover from the greatest soldier thread, the game essentially ruins any notion that Big Boss was a good guy right? Like he was just creating his country and military force for shits and giggles right? He was still buds with Zero, big misunderstanding. Hell the patriots all wanted the same thing, war economy. Am I missing something?
jack_package_200
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Just had the shower scene...jesus christ that was fucking creepy and gross.
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I still think the game was phenomenal. For about 61 of the 64 hours I spent with it, I think MGSV is my GOTY and a once in a generation level quality experience. If there are 5 games on PS4/XB1 I enjoy more than MGSV when all is said and done in a few years time then I think we'll have had a great generation.
(3 hours deducted accounts for Episode 16, Metallic Archaea and the final hour or so)
So I won't say ruined. But.. I think the final throws of MGSV are damaging. I think the twist is fucking dumb and restrospectivley im having a really hard time reconciling that what I just played for 64 hours was V and not Big Boss. I'm just really struggling to take that seriously. Like suddenly I don't give two shits about going back to do Side Ops and expand Mother Base knowing that it's all bullshit while the REAL Big Boss is off doing REAL Outer Heaven stuff someplace else off screen.
Jack Scofield
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Sometimes I wonder what it's like inside the mind of Kojima. When he thinks of a pirouetting vampire or an enemy whose power is BEE CONTROL, is there any part of his mind that says, "hold on, this is really stupid"?
Doubly so when I read about the big "twist" in this game.
I don't mind that actually. Ridiculous stuff like that is the reason I became a fan in the first place. I love the superpowered characters, supernatural and science-based.
Twists like the end of this game, however... Like a kick in the balls.
Akiyama_AE
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I just kept running and hitting the tanks in his back over and over
Doctor_Thomas
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I kept running around, there's a few vehicles about that can be really effective and I also kept using air support.
The Silver
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Kojima should've been a bro and hidden PT inside the game.
BreezyLimbo
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Pretty much.
Big Boss wanted a nation of soldiers, and he wanted perpetual war. The Patriots mutated to a sort of twisted future of Outer Heaven personified.
It feels like a waste of my time.
It wasn't of course, because I got 64 hours of almost flawless game experience out of it. That's way more than I usually invest into games.
But it still feels like it. Kojima just going "lol PSYCHE" at the end there just feels borderline disrespectful of my time as the player. It's not like it was just a quick, linear 8 hours to reach that bollocks, unsatisfying conclusion.
I think it's an issue of you not being able to or atleast not consciously being able to translate the ideas in your head into a game properly. Not to take anything away from Kojima but us humans do this a lot, and this is where exceptional story tellers become exceptions as they are able to see beyond it. We think something makes sense because we connect the dots in our head but someone else who doesn't have all the information or doesn't thinks of the material in the same way as the creator might not be able to see the picture as clearly. Like imagine how sometimes you feel like you mentioned something in a conversation when all that happened was that it came across your head but you never actually spoke about it but believe that you did.
Kojima himself says that he never plays his games once they are made, so when you are developing a game and only looking at stuff on a scene by scene basis this kind of discrepancies may come up.
I might be imagining things here but I feel I experience these things when it comes to my own creations. Things make sense in my head, the music sounds beautiful because I fill in the gaps and my mind cannot look at it any other way but when others hear it, it sounds incomplete. And I doubt many people in the dev team questioned Kojima when it comes to his creative choices.
Exactly. I love the gameplay too. But who gives a shit about this boss? Its not even like the man playing him is interesting. If you told me Grey Fox was V id be fine with it, ut this no name create a character is just nothing.
Garrett Hawke
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I just feel bad for Ocelot tbh. All he wanted to do was wash Big Boss down and Quiet got in the way.
#JusticeForOcelot #LetHimWash
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Absolutely, there are enough completely serious stories in the world already, stuff like MGS insanity is great
I clearly have a higher tolerance to silly stuff than you though, since the twist definitely didn't ruin the game for me.
Doctor_Thomas
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Paz was a result of the guilt the medic had for not checking her properly. The version of events in GZ is what happened. Miller and Ocelot were part of the hallucination.
Death Metalist
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It was all in VS's head. He imagined it all because of the regret he feels. Giving her all the pictures and
her then exploding to nothingness signifies that he's free from his guilt after facing it.
Same here, I actually thought the twist will have a time travel element to it since we have wormhole fultons lmao.
BreezyLimbo
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But this is YOUR MotherBase. Venom Snake is simply a surrogate, he is your avatar in this gaming world. It was YOU who accomplished taking down the Selanthropus. YOU. ARE. BIG BOSS!
Akiyama_AE
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So what was the special camp omega thing that they said will be available for GZ players?
adamsapple
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Yeah, rockets on the radome looking thing above it's left shoulder seems to do slightly more damage than if you just hit the body. Could help you end the fight quicker.
Other then that, keep on running. Don't stay in the same spot for long.
SomedayTheFire
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So after 60 years of constant cycles, Solid Snake truly fulfills The Boss' will? You could make a really good story out of the mess.
Razgriz-Specter
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Just noticed you can play as your custom character after the truth mission.
Not a fan of the plot twist.
Rather than it making the whole story better in retrospect, all it does it make Big Boss seem shitter in comparison to his phantom. While Big Boss is out there smoking cigars and riding on a motorcycle, his phantom is killing Metal Gears and zombie plant people.
Since the real boss created the "real" Outer Heaven and Solid Snake killed the Phantom in Outer Heaven, then we have no idea what accomplishments the real BB did and which were his phantom's.
Rather than it making the whole story better in retrospect, all it does it make Big Boss seem shitter in comparison to his phantom. While Big Boss is out there smoking cigars and riding on a motorcycle, his phantom is killing Metal Gears and zombie plant people.
Since the real boss created the "real" Outer Heaven and Solid Snake killed the Phantom in Outer Heaven, then we have no idea what accomplishments the real BB did and which were his phantom's.
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Xpike
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He was the only man the real Big Boss trusted, bet he doesn't mind that Venom got Quiet at all.
But enough about the giant twist, did anyone else really enjoy the Truth tapes with Zero? It managed to tone down the "He was extremely evil all along" twist to "His own creation started going out of control and before he could do anything Skull Face paralyzed him, plus he also did everything he could to save Big Boss." If anything, the real villians of the whole series are Huey and Sigint.
Doctor_Thomas
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Which is entirely the point...
BreezyLimbo
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Yup, it's why I keep repeating that this game really solidifies Solid Snakes position as the most moral character in the whole series.
Yeah, Big Boss is an asshole. He was never supposed to have any accomplishments, he was never a good guy.
V3n0m Sn4k3
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You find girls creepy and gross?
Death Metalist
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Well, what about all the things he did in MGS3,Peace Walker & GZ?
adamsapple
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I'm surprised there's so little outrage over the butchering of Ocelot's character in the game. The Venom/BB discussion is all the rage.
Ocelot fires a total of ONE bullet in the game (as far as i can remember) and that is in a post-main-story cutscene. He literally does NOTHING in the game besides talking. No CQC, no revolver action, not even any fancy shooting of any kind whatsoever.
It's almost as if Kojima just wanted Troy Baker in his game because he's already in every other franchise, his role could have been filled by literally any other character with little to no modifications to the dialogue.
Ocelot fires a total of ONE bullet in the game (as far as i can remember) and that is in a post-main-story cutscene. He literally does NOTHING in the game besides talking. No CQC, no revolver action, not even any fancy shooting of any kind whatsoever.
It's almost as if Kojima just wanted Troy Baker in his game because he's already in every other franchise, his role could have been filled by literally any other character with little to no modifications to the dialogue.
I get that and it's dumb.
Find the vehicle with the machine gun (not the tank) drive a bit away from him and start shooting at the white tanks he's got. Does a lot of damage. If your vehicle gets destroyed, run down the hill and and find the other one.
SomedayTheFire
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Big Boss was the patriots before the patriots were the patriots. He was just a terrorist, but rather than the straight forward terrorist we knew, he was doing it using proxies and smoke and mirrors.
The whole point of 3 was he was just a soldier. It was a set up, hell this game even explicitly tells you that Skullface was watching making sure Naked Snake couldn't fail. Big Boss was a sham.
jack_package_200
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Did you actually watch it?
Its like being in strip club with a group of dudes making creepy remarks like "you're a naughty girl."
I know Kojima has a history of sexualizing female characters but this was taken to a whole other level.
He doesn't even get off to reloading a gun.
Gray Fox would have worked better in that boring, second-in-command role. Ocelot has a personality that is non-existent in MGSV.
Akiyama_AE
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I gotta admit i chuckled when I saw the Staff Morale up like 3 times in a row after that scene
Oh Ocelot was in the game? I did'nt even notice. Thanks Kojima! Honestly just about anyone else could've taken his role.
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Shinkawa wanted Raiden to be someone who crawled on all four and licked pigeon poop. It's not all Kojima's ideas. In fact, Shinkawa comes up with the character as far as I know, Kojima is a director so he tweaks them or gives the main lines behind what they do or how they think. It's not a one-way thing at all.
I think we heard an explanation for that before, I forget. His design is kind of difficult to understand really, like the scars he has in the same spot as V's horn.
Death Metalist
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He could watch all he want, point is he didn't do a fucking thing to intervene throughout all these years.
Edit: Did anybody watch the documentary that came with the CE? I haven't yet but I was wondering how is it?
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V/medic has a mental block over Paz dying. So he imagines she is still alive and an explanation for it. When V brings photos to her, he's actually bringing photos to himself. The dilemma is; does he help her remember even if it will cause her psychological pain, or does he leave her be without her memories so she can stay at peace? It mirrors his own state of mind. When he does bring all the photos back, she explodes, because reality comes back as it really happened. But in doing so, V also regained his memories of what actually happened, and can be at peace.
Gray Fox can finally be Big Boss!
Maybe he has his own phantom! Chico?
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You know that's not really that bad of an idea .. but I guess it wouldn't work cause its Venom and not actually BB, but hypothetically you would have the one guy by your side on all main events, not knowing his name etc, and near the end BB goes "What's your name son ?" and he replies Frank Jaeger.
Just that alone would have been so much better than having the shell of Ocelot.
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Xpike
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Ocelot's there because he's the only person both Zero and Big Boss trusted enough to see the body double plan come though. I do agree that he was underutilized, but so was the whole Diamond Dogs force, they don't really do much except give you support items and one or 2 choppers during the Metal Gear fight. Even in Peace Walker we had MSF saving Big Boss from Zadornov in the Nicaraguan base.
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I'm sure DLC is planned for this game whatever the case. So it's not impossible Chico wouldn't still factor in the game, but if not he's probably been cut during the production. The fact he had a headphone jack in his chest couldn't have been made for just shits and giggle considering the importance of cassette tapes in the game. So I wouldn't be surprised if more was planned. Maybe he was supposed to be able to listen to parasites inside himself speaking to him like Code Talker, I have no idea.
SkylineRKR
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I think Chico was infected by Skull Face too. Perhaps as a fail safe if the bomb wouldn't succeed. He did listen to something when the jack was in his chest and in TPP its how parasite experiments work. Its not explained at all though. But it is stated that the Helicopter was no place for Chico to die. So he's dead.
Zero was the complete opposite to him, Zero wanted to unify the world under one leadership and with men becoming essentially faceless without any hint of an own identity. Pretty much what he underwent in his youth. So him rebelling against Zero made sense.
As for BB, its a dumb plot device. There was no reason for Skull face to assassinate BB as BB wasn't on Zero's side either.
So why did Skull face attack Mother Base? Maybe because he thought they were a potential threat against his Cipher in the future. Or maybe he was put into this situation as he had captured one of BB's men and Paz whom he needed to obtain Zero's location.
But Skull face's ghost seems to pay respect to BB somehow.
Zero was the complete opposite to him, Zero wanted to unify the world under one leadership and with men becoming essentially faceless without any hint of an own identity. Pretty much what he underwent in his youth. So him rebelling against Zero made sense.
As for BB, its a dumb plot device. There was no reason for Skull face to assassinate BB as BB wasn't on Zero's side either.
So why did Skull face attack Mother Base? Maybe because he thought they were a potential threat against his Cipher in the future. Or maybe he was put into this situation as he had captured one of BB's men and Paz whom he needed to obtain Zero's location.
But Skull face's ghost seems to pay respect to BB somehow.
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* I thought i read somewhere that rescuing him was one of the missions cut from the game. That and one mission where you hunt down Emmerich in Afghanistan after his story arc because he's still selling info to Cypher or something along those lines, along with the Mission 51 we all know now.
That was such a dumb theory to begin with. Pretty sure the only reason Paz was explained is due to the guilt Venom felt.
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Xpike
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Skull Face tried to kill Snake because he hated him and knew he was probably the only man who could stop his plan of taking over Cipher. Or something, this game's story isn't that great.
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He doesn't pay respect to him. When Salhentropolous is brought to MB, V/BB turns around and walks away because he knows they're on a one-way path, that no matter what they do they can't escape their fate. SF is seen walking along with BB because as Kaz says, he succeeded through the creation of Salenthropolus to "infect" the system, he infected DD/Big Boss/Kaz etc. It's a big rehash of MPO and Gene, like many other aspects of the game.
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