SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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Ōkami;178057211 said:
Many wouldn't be able to get past the D-Dog boss fight if that was the case.

Yeah, it'd be rough as fuck, and because of that I would love to see it as a boss fight. This puppy you find in the wild, that you grow up with(figuratively), you go on missions with, you bond with...and then at the end of the game you have to fight and kill him before Venom Snake. Because you're some intruder into the home you built.

It'd be so fucked, but it would be emotionally powerful. For stuff like that, I wish Kojima ended with Solid Snake invading the home you built. But it'd probably be over the budget ._.
 
Okay spoiler thread I need gameplay answers

if I do mission 45 quiet leaves ?

If I do mission 46 I get a leather jacket ?

is the jacket wearable to only snake or can all the combat unit wear it too (any other outfits wearable for the unit other than the parasite, sneaking and fatigues) ?
 
i was bored so....
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Fuck I can't get over how silly Kaz/Ocelot talking about eventually having to go against each other once Boss' sons finally enter the picture.

It was never even explicitly said if Huey was guilty of all those things.

>50% of his dialogue is straight up him lying. The inspection, his son, Strangelove, not disclosing helping the kids. I'm not even sure what was left that was ambiguous enough for him to maybe get by on.
 
if I do mission 45 quiet leaves ?

She'll leave even before that from some unknown criteria. 45 basically gives her closure

I'm officially retiring my post-Quiet save. I've set the chopper music to Quiet's theme. V's current outfit is his sneaking suit as it's the darkest thing he owns. I visited her cell one last time hoping to the heavens that Quiet was still there, but no matter how much I pressed my R&D team, my NVG's just couldn't find her between the bars anymore.

She's gone. Lost. Alone, so that we may live. So that the world may live. Like her last months, her legacy will remain what it is. Silence. Slinking away into the recesses of Diamond Dogs memory until it is no longer a legend, but a myth.

The recruits may forget with time, but I won't let them. No matter how hard I try, her loss won't stop hurting. She is my phantom pain, and there's no parasite, no prosthetic, nor science that will let me forget that. It is not through language that she will continue to exist, but in memory.

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lol I miss Quiet - I really do - but this something is else yo haha
 
Okay spoiler thread I need gameplay answers

if I do mission 45 quiet leaves ?

If I do mission 46 I get a leather jacket ?

is the jacket wearable to only snake or can all the combat unit wear it too (any other outfits wearable for the unit other than the parasite, sneaking and fatigues) ?
Yes and yes. Don't know if the combat unit can wear the jacket though.
 
Yeah, I like the idea of playing as not Big Boss, but the game just makes it feel empty and pointless. Venom needed more.

Venom is actually a great character... wholly different from every other protagonist, but not executed well.

This really should be the final words echoed over a 1995 post-epilogue scene.

He really would be, if he spoke more than 5 times the whole game. The cut dialogue is really really good, which makes it a mystery as to why it was cut.
Yep, Venom is a great character and concept that isn't realized. I love the mirror punching scene especially, because even with the cut tape, it can be interpreted in so many different ways.
 
It was never even explicitly said if Huey was guilty of all those things.

Right, sure, it's intentionally ambiguous, but from a character perspective there's basically no reason Huey should have been left alive by Diamond Dogs.

For a bunch of dudes on a quest for revenge and believe they're "already in hell" they sure don't take much actual wanton vengeance.
 
...fuck it, theres no awesome moment like Nanomachines, son in MGSV.

Rising is a self-contained pulpy storyline that goes from A direct to B but is interally consistent, makes sense, climaxes properly and is interesting if you wanna sit down and listen to codecs.

MGSV has really fucking amazing moments (Mission 43!) but the whole thing is utterly ridiculous, inconsistent, kind of nonsensical and most importantly imho doesn't actually resolve properly

By the way, was there any cutscene where Quiet lights your cigar with her sniper like in that one trailer, or was that just for that?

And then does Ocelot try it and accidentally shoot your eye out?
 
Rising is a self-contained pulpy storyline that goes from A direct to B but is interally consistent, makes sense, climaxes properly and is interesting if you wanna sit down and listen to codecs.

MGSV has really fucking amazing moments (Mission 43!) but the whole thing is utterly ridiculous, inconsistent, kind of nonsensical and most importantly imho doesn't actually resolve properly

Ding.

And Raiden is a so much better protagonist it's not even funny.
 
I'm confused about one thing tho: How much does the Medic remembers of his pre-GZ life?

I mean, I thought he had no idea he was the medic and honestly believed he was Big Boss, so that's why he didn't drop the act. But apparently he knew it and played along with it very well??

Or did he just learn about the "real" Big Boss somewhere between 1984 and 1995?
 
I'm confused about one thing tho: How much does the Medic remembers of his pre-GZ life?

I mean, I thought he had no idea he was the medic and honestly believed he was Big Boss, so that's why he didn't drop the act. But apparently he knew it and played along with it very well??

Or did he just learn about the "real" Big Boss somewhere between 1984 and 1995?

Well, he finds out the truth, but decides to accept the role of Big Boss with John's blessing. Remember, he's John's most loyal and trustworthy soldier, so the original Big Boss sees him as a worthy successor/partner/decoy.
 
Huey did those things, I don't think it was ever intended to be really ambiguous. The reason we aren't told for certain is that Huey can't admit it to himself, let alone the Diamond Dogs. He's convinced he's doing the right thing.
 
The end is Venom's becoming.

Throw in some Hannibal-esque dream imagery.

Ōkami;178058726 said:
Also, from that helicopter crash at the end of GZ Chico is the only one confirmed dead.

Its never stated about the pilot.

He's Pequod! Morpho changed code names.
 
Well, he finds out the truth, but decides to accept the role of Big Boss with John's blessing. Remember, he's John's most loyal and trustworthy soldier, so the original Big Boss sees him as a worthy successor/partner/decoy.

it really pisses me off that they're just like "Oh yeah, this dude you've never seen before and was not important in any way until we started obscuring his face. Also you never saw him before."

like, they don't get the balance of "He's YOUUUUU" and "he was an actual person before he became YOUUUUU" quite right

He's Pequod! Morpho changed code names.

I felt bad when I called him in on Quiet and she IMMEDIATELY shot him down INTO MY FACE
 
I think I've seen everything except for Paz's entire side story...Is this really how Metal Gear ends? :( I know some people didn't like the crazy Big Boss appearance at the end of MGS4, but I loved how MGS4 was done....

I've loved the MGS series for so damn long...I still love those original games, but this one...I hate to describe it this way, but it sucks...

Beyond just how poorly paced the game is, and how tedious the gameplay feels because of the boring open world and how much of a grind it all is. I was hoping for something I didn't know. I swear, every single plot point in this game I was able to guess from the trailers. Here I thought there was going to be somethings we hadn't seen, but it felt like every single big moment of the game was in the damn trailers, and I already knew everything.

It was obvious from early Ground Zeroes hypothesis that there was some weird shit going on with the medic...and the big twist in this game is you play as the medic...that isn't a twist, that felt fucking obvious from the reveal of Phantom Pain!

Also what is this bull shit about how this was the "missing chapter" revealing why Big Boss becomes "evil"...this doesn't feel like a missing anything, it feels shoehorned into the timeline, and doesn't answer anything more.

God I'm depressed...I guess they always say there's a first time for everything, but I thought after so many years, I could trust Kojima to make a game up my alley, and that I would continue to love. He made the Metal Gear games cinematic, and movie like....this game tells most of it's damn story in fucking cassette tapes...that was excusable in Peace Walker, but holy shit...there's so much silence in the cutscenes, but then I have to sit there listen to cassettes. I liked the cinematic presentation of Metal Gear....I'm not a fucking fan of a radio, and didn't think they'd be taking it a step backwards.

Sorry for the rant...but now that I'm more or less done, just needed to get it off my chest :(
 
Was anyone else disappointed with the OST? I don't recall a single song in the whole game that I liked.

MGSIV has one of my favorite scores in any game and I listen to it a lot while I'm reading comics.

I'm watching

http://www.twitch.tv/uknighted

right now and one of my favorite tracks just came on.

Also, holy shit, there's cutscenes and boss battles in MGSIV!
 
Right, sure, it's intentionally ambiguous, but from a character perspective there's basically no reason Huey should have been left alive by Diamond Dogs.

For a bunch of dudes on a quest for revenge and believe they're "already in hell" they sure don't take much actual wanton vengeance.

Fake BB claims he's already a demon, yet he's a really nice guy and helping people throughout the entirety of MGSV. What the fuck Kojima. Why.
 
Was anyone else disappointed with the OST? I don't recall a single song in the whole game that I liked.

MGSIV has one of my favorite scores in any game and I listen to it a lot while I'm reading comics.

I'm watching

http://www.twitch.tv/uknighted

right now and one of my favorite tracks just came on.

Also, holy shit, there's cutscenes and boss battles in MGSIV!

Yeah, now that you mention it, I can't think of a single piece of music that doesn't just sound like generic military game music. Although my favorite thing about the game is Quiet's theme.
 
I for one enjoy the battles with the skulls, sure not as memorable as boss fights in other games but still fun.

I had no problem doing mission 16, or the one with defending code talker on extreme.
 
Was anyone else disappointed with the OST? I don't recall a single song in the whole game that I liked.

MGSIV has one of my favorite scores in any game and I listen to it a lot while I'm reading comics.

I'm watching

http://www.twitch.tv/uknighted

right now and one of my favorite tracks just came on.

Also, holy shit, there's cutscenes and boss battles in MGSIV!

Besides Quiet's theme, I cannot remember any tune from this game.
 
I think I've seen everything except for Paz's entire side story...Is this really how Metal Gear ends? :( I know some people didn't like the crazy Big Boss appearance at the end of MGS4, but I loved how MGS4 was done....

I've loved the MGS series for so damn long...I still love those original games, but this one...I hate to describe it this way, but it sucks...

Beyond just how poorly paced the game is, and how tedious the gameplay feels because of the boring open world and how much of a grind it all is. I was hoping for something I didn't know. I swear, every single plot point in this game I was able to guess from the trailers. Here I thought there was going to be somethings we hadn't seen, but it felt like every single big moment of the game was in the damn trailers, and I already knew everything.

It was obvious from early Ground Zeroes hypothesis that there was some weird shit going on with the medic...and the big twist in this game is you play as the medic...that isn't a twist, that felt fucking obvious from the reveal of Phantom Pain!

Also what is this bull shit about how this was the "missing chapter" revealing why Big Boss becomes "evil"...this doesn't feel like a missing anything, it feels shoehorned into the timeline, and doesn't answer anything more.

God I'm depressed...I guess they always say there's a first time for everything, but I thought after so many years, I could trust Kojima to make a game up my alley, and that I would continue to love. He made the Metal Gear games cinematic, and movie like....this game tells most of it's damn story in fucking cassette tapes...that was excusable in Peace Walker, but holy shit...there's so much silence in the cutscenes, but then I have to sit there listen to cassettes. I liked the cinematic presentation of Metal Gear....I'm not a fucking fan of a radio, and didn't think they'd be taking it a step backwards.

Sorry for the rant...but now that I'm more or less done, just needed to get it off my chest :(
I feel you, bro. You aren't alone...
 
Venom still needs more dialogue... they nailed the Mad Max vibe, but he needs to communicate with people more in these intense situations.

Mad Max would've told Skull Face to shut up during his big monologue. Big Boss would've told him how stupid he was while CQC'ing him and his guards all at once at the helipad then taking Metal Gear for his own Outer Heaven.
 
Fake BB claims he's already a demon, yet he's a really nice guy and helping people throughout the entirety of MGSV. What the fuck Kojima. Why.

Actually, it would have been amazing if Venom started calling himself a demon after napalming the Kingdom of the Flies. Like, all the child soldiers are infected with the parasite, so there's no choice... but that's the moment that breaks him and turns him into 'The Demon'. And he's still a good guy at heart, but the guilt of having to do that... combined with rumors and gossip, that event gives him that whole child soldier/monster rep, and Venom decides to take it and go straight to hell if that's what it takes to bring peace to the world again.

Solidus used child soldiers too, right? What if Solidus' actions got conflated with those of Big Boss, attributed to him, and that's where that rep comes from?

Mad Max would've told Skull Face to shut up during his big monologue. Big Boss would've told him how stupid he was while CQC'ing him and his guards all at once at the helipad then taking Metal Gear for his own Outer Heaven.

This would have been amazing.

It would have been great if Skull Face started monologuing and Venom just told him... "I don't care."

It'd be like the first time in the series.
 
So uh.

Zero goes to great lengths to clone Big Boss to have more soldiers of his caliber.
Para-medic goes to great lengths to create the Genome army with Big Boss's genes.
The entire plot of MGS4 is about a mad rush to recover Big Boss's body and with it his magical genes.

And all along Ocelot knew some secret dark magic where he's literally able to turn anyone in the world into Big Boss with a little hypnosis. Also, it's amazing this this guy has actually hypno'd himself twice in the franchise.
 
So uh.

Zero goes to great lengths to clone Big Boss to have more soldiers of his caliber.
Para-medic goes to great lengths to create the Genome army with Big Boss's genes.
The entire plot of MGS4 is about a mad rush to recover Big Boss's body and with it his magical genes.

And all along Ocelot knew some secret dark magic where he's literally able to turn anyone in the world into Big Boss with a little hypnosis. Also, it's amazing this this guy has actually hypno'd himself twice in the franchise.

urgh lets just ignore this game, a fucking Medic having the same skills as Big Boss is so stupid i can't even
 
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