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[fastmower]

Also, as much as I understand the complaints about Quiet disappearing forever, they kind of feel like they're missing the point. Quiet is gone, she's dead. Of course that sucks; that's what is so tough about it. It comes out of nowhere (unless you spoiled yourself ahead of time) and hits you like a ton of bricks.

And there are repercussions for her death. In fact, it's the only real repercussion that really seems to stick on a narrative and gameplay level - the game makes you realize the loss through getting used to her usefulness and taking it away. It's arguably the only effective character beat of the game in my opinion.

I don't want to say it's exactly analogous (and I'm hesitant to make this analogy because it's probably going to throw the whole discussion off-track), but it's almost like complaining about Aeris dying back in 1997 and how you put so much time into leveling her up. Yes, that's a gutpunch. But it isn't an inherently bad design decision to prevent her from returning - it's the gameplay complementing the narrative for once.

Where are you getting the idea that she dies?

 

[Venom Fox]

Glad to see some brothers from the community thread! So, whats your opinions on Venom being a body double? Also just wanted to say I told you so. Back in March

 

[Ōkami]

Where are you getting the idea that she dies?

She never appears later in the timeline, so as far as Metal Gear lore matters, she's either dead or in a coma.

 

[Zomba13]

Where are you getting the idea that she dies?

She spoke English which activated the mating pair of parasites in her vocal cords which will lead to lots and lots of parasite sex and parasite babbys being formed.

She exiles herself to prevent it spreading to Snake or other other English speakers on Mother Base. Either to live out her life alone, in silence in some remote part of Afghanistan or to put a bullet into her skull.

 

[Tookay]

Where are you getting the idea that she dies?

She has the vocal cord parasite (in addition to the other parasites that the regular Skulls have). Once she spoke English, that triggers the parasite, which will eventually result in her death. She went off to the desert to die alone.

 

[dan2026]

Where are you getting the idea that she dies?

Personally I didnt get the impression that she died at all.

I'm super pissed she is gone from my game.
Wouldnt that lock you out of some trophies as well?

 

[fastmower]

VS totally is a character.

He has values, like not letting his men fight, and being an all around good guy. He saves the world because it's the right thing to do, not because it's his mission. He's merciful. He's fair. He might not have a past that we're privy to, but he has one, one in which he is one of MSF's 'top men', and a pseudo past of being Big Boss that he believes in.

He's hardly a vessel for the player. I wanted to get revenge, Venom Snake being the chill dude he is didn't really want to.

I said "compared to Raiden". I didn't say he wasn't a character, but I kinda see your point of view. He was just super bland to me...

 

[Arion]

Thinking about how short chapter 2 was.
There must be a ton of content on the cutting room floor somewhere.

And I dont just mean the fight with Eli stuff.
I feel a ton got scrapped for time.

I was totally expecting a chapter 3 with some confrontation or meeting between Big Boss and Venom where Big Boss completes his arc to becoming a villain.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Why couldn't this just be a wonderful revenge story a la Oldboy. All the trailers gave me that feeling, but the game was nothing like that. Kaz had it's moments, but everybody else seemed so chill.

GUILTY AS CHARGED *Cane slap*

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Glad to see some brothers from the community thread! So, whats your opinions on Venom being a body double? Also just wanted to say I told you so. Back in March

Makes the real Big Boss more of an arsehole tbh.

GUILTY AS CHARGED *Cane slap*

I liked that scene very much.

 

[Moon_frogger]

Even with the game being unfinished I still love it. Some of the cut scenes are the best in the franchise and overall I felt the story was satisfying. I'm still dicking around in chapter 2 and loving it. It's one of my favourite games ever for sure. It's certainly the best open world game I've ever played by a long shot, not counting morrowind which will always be special to me

 

[Venom Fox]

Where are you getting the idea that she dies?

She has the English strain of parasite, which kills you if you speak English. She spoke English to save Venom. Consequently she died.

 

[dan2026]

I was totally expecting a chapter 3 with some confrontation or meeting between Big Boss and Venom where Big Boss completes his arc to becoming a villain.

I hope and pray for DLC. But with the Konami/Kojima situation....fuck knows how likely that is.

 

[squared]

Took a screenshot of the ending cutscene when BB is on his bike, and tweaked it in Photoshop, if anyones interested for, i dunno, whatever. 1080p.

http://i.imgur.com/Z6bMb4X.jpg

Any way of replaying cutsvenes? I want to get a 4K version but I ain't replaying the mission to get it..

 

[SolVanderlyn]

This is the best music from the game, IMO.

And it will totally forever be Venom Snake's theme in my mind thanks to it being in the final scene like that.

 

[Shouta]

She spoke English which activated the mating pair of parasites in her vocal cords which will lead to lots and lots of parasite sex and parasite babbys being formed.

She exiles herself to prevent it spreading to Snake or other other English speakers on Mother Base. Either to live out her life alone, in silence in some remote part of Afghanistan or to put a bullet into her skull.

She has the vocal cord parasite (in addition to the other parasites that the regular Skulls have). Once she spoke English, that triggers the parasite, which will eventually result in her death. She went off to the desert to die alone.

It's not a guarantee that she dies. It's explained in the tapes that it's not just a single trigger but a threshold, as I recall. So there's a chance she may have survived and not activated the parasites but she still didn't want to risk passing it on to other folks if she spoke another word down the line. She was also concerned about the mutation that occurred because fuck Huey.

 

[Peff]

We're left with a fantastic base that has no upper levels. Every previous MGS branched out and became more complex in its tasks and basic structure as it went on. Most great games do, and MGS V's failure hurts all the more.

That's only really true for 3, every other game in the series tends to devolve into action/shooting towards the ending, which the engines weren't really prepared to handle. MGS4 is especially notorious for this, starting from the crappy escort mission in act 3 all the way to the five-minute-corridor plus lame boss fight that is act 5. How are those better at gameplay escalation than the reactive enemy behaviour, the increasingly densely populated bases or your own expanding toolset?

 

[Alienous]

I said "compared to Raiden". I didn't say he wasn't a character.

You said "hardly a character compared to Raiden" and "a vessel for the player" and my response was disagreeing with both of those statements.

 

[Venom Fox]

Makes the real Big Boss more of an arsehole tbh.



I liked that scene very much.

Nah, like Ocelot said, it was just a detour on his way to hell. Plus it was Zero, not BB who created Venom.

 

[fastmower]

She has the vocal cord parasite (in addition to the other parasites that the regular Skulls have). Once she spoke English, that triggers the parasite, which will eventually result in her death. She went off to the desert to die alone.

As the code talker states, speaking a few words is not necessarily enough to trigger copulation. I felt she just wanted to be better safe than sorry, so she leaves VS.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

It's not a guarantee that she dies. It's explained in the tapes that it's not just a single trigger but a threshold, as I recall. So there's a chance she may have survived and not activated the parasites but she still didn't want to risk passing it on to other folks if she spoke another word down the line. She was also concerned about the mutation that occurred because fuck Huey.

Ah yes, Huey the worst Villain in the series strikes again.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Nah, like Ocelot said, it was just a detour on his way to hell. Plus it was Zero, not BB who created Venom.

Still, I am glad that I had myself as Avatar the whole time and not Big Boss

Can't wait for Metal Gear Liquid now.

 

[CpmPanda]

I actually didn't like the ending at first; but, it all feels awesome to know something new and different in the MGS series. That Big Boss is so important and so legendary that he had to get a body double in order to secretly accomplish a lot of amazing things.

I think the real Big Boss has the same ideals but with all the crap that happened he's setting up Outer Heaven to be like Mother Base but a million times better and more focused on the future. He ends up a bad guy but probably for the same reasons that got him into that hospital and out.

Man I am freaking out; I'm like 60% done with MGSV and I'm just like; what the hell do I do with my life now? hahah I wanna know more about Grey Fox, if Miller gets prosthetics, Naomi Hunter, more about how ST-85 ended up becoming Rex I wanted to see Solid Snake but then again Snake has had more time in games than Liquid so - ugh damnit!

 

[Einchy]

It's not a guarantee that she dies. It's explained in the tapes that it's not just a single trigger but a threshold, as I recall. So there's a chance she may have survived and not activated the parasites but she still didn't want to risk passing it on to other folks if she spoke another word down the line. She was also concerned about the mutation that occurred because fuck Huey.

They talked about how one word here and there wouldn't trigger it but she spook a ton giving the helicopter pilot directions. When he says, "wow Quiet, I didn't know you could be so talkative", I thought that was a clear nod to the player that she had spoken enough to trigger the parasites.

 

[dan2026]

Ah yes, Huey the worst Villain in the series strikes again.

I'm not sure I got Huey's motivations.
Or understood why he killed Strangelove. The mother of his child for fuck sake.

 

[Berserker976]

It's not a guarantee that she dies. It's explained in the tapes that it's not just a single trigger but a threshold, as I recall. So there's a chance she may have survived and not activated the parasites but she still didn't want to risk passing it on to other folks if she spoke another word down the line. She was also concerned about the mutation that occurred because fuck Huey.

This reminds me: how the hell did Quiet get captured by the Soviets? That just seems... REALLY unlikely.

 

[Alienous]

Nah, like Ocelot said, it was just a detour on his way to hell. Plus it was Zero, not BB who created Venom.

Fuck that. The Medic had friends.

They could have programmed him to be the Medic. Y'know, healed him. Instead they thought "Look, he's a little brain-dead, let's nuke his personality and put Big Boss' in its place". "Look, his face is 95% the same, even after the helicopter crash. Let's tear it off and put Big Boss' in its place".

"Good news: you're in the land of the living. Bad news: the world wants me dead ... shit, Ocelot, wipe his mind again, I fucked the line up".

Big Boss isn't even a villain, he's a scumbag.

 

[Shouta]

They talked about how one word here and there wouldn't trigger it but she spook a ton giving the helicopter pilot directions. When he says, "wow Quiet, I didn't know you could be so talkative", I thought that was a clear nod to the player that she had spoken enough to trigger the parasites.

It's a possibility but in a series where even when you get burned alive but still come back to life, you really never know, lol.

This reminds me: how the hell did Quiet get captured by the Soviets? That just seems... REALLY unlikely.

They threw a huge battalion at her apparently and she took out a lot of them before she got captured, apparently. They sent armored columns after her and Big Boss, lol.

 

[Venom Fox]

Still, I am glad that I had myself as Avatar the whole time and not Big Boss

Can't wait for Metal Gear Liquid now.

Good point Also did you mean MGO? I can't wait either .

 

[Tookay]

It's not a guarantee that she dies. It's explained in the tapes that it's not just a single trigger but a threshold, as I recall. So there's a chance she may have survived and not activated the parasites but she still didn't want to risk passing it on to other folks if she spoke another word down the line. She was also concerned about the mutation that occurred because fuck Huey.

It's not a guarantee, true, but I'd say it's a heavy possibility, especially when coupled with the cutscene's direction. The way that scene played out, it emphasized that she had made a huge sacrifice by speaking and that she knew what the consequence was. It was "subtle" by Kojima standards, but I think the implication is that she's a goner.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

I'm not sure I got Huey's motivations.
Or understood why he killed Strangelove. The mother of his child for fuck sake.

She wouldn't let him use babby Hal as a test subject for piloting a giant mechanical deathbot made out of nuclear materials, the monster.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I'm not sure I got Huey's motivations.
Or understood why he killed Strangelove. The mother of his child for fuck sake.

For me it was because he was obsessed with his Metal Gear and he never liked people that are smarter than him.

Good point Also did you mean MGO? I can't wait either .

No, Konami will milk this franchise now and there will be a Metal Gear Liquid. Muhaha.

Yeah, but I am looking forward to MGO.


Edit: I don't like the voice acting of Stefanie, sorry

 

[dan2026]

This reminds me: how the hell did Quiet get captured by the Soviets? That just seems... REALLY unlikely.

This feels like a cut mission. Or story scene.

Its just 'Quiet's gone! Aaaaand she captured!'

 

[fastmower]

They talked about how one word here and there wouldn't trigger it but she spook a ton giving the helicopter pilot directions. When he says, "wow Quiet, I didn't know you could be so talkative", I thought that was a clear nod to the player that she had spoken enough to trigger the parasites.

It's something you can't assume. Maybe she dies, maybe she doesn't. I feel like her super-body parasites wouldn't let vocal cord parasites kill her. She doesn't even breathe through her lungs...thats what vocal cord parasites eat...

 

[Genio88]

So if Solid Snake killed Venom in MG for MSX(game that i didn't play) was it already known that there was another Big Boss? and did you guys already know that The Phantom Pain's main character wasn't the original Big Boss before finishing the game?

 

[Kenzodielocke]

So if Solid Snake killed Venom in MG for MSX(game that i didn't play) was it already known that there was another Big Boss? and did you guys already know that The Phantom Pain's main character wasn't the original Big Boss before finishing the game?

No, everyone thought Big Boss just survived it. Kojima kinda retconned it now. Also there were theories prior TPP that this wasn't the real Big Boss.

 

[Alienous]

So if Solid Snake killed Venom in MG for MSX(game that i didn't play) was it already known that there was another Big Boss? and did you guys already know that The Phantom Pain's main character wasn't the original Big Boss before finishing the game?

He didn't kill whoever the Big Boss was in MG1. Big Boss talks about how he'll be back after he 'dies'.

Now we're to assume Big Boss 2 a.k.a Big Boss 1 said that.

 

[Tookay]

As the code talker states, speaking a few words is not necessarily enough to trigger copulation. I felt she just wanted to be better safe than sorry, so she leaves VS.

Well, that's the reason why she leaves initially, sure, but I think after she saves Snake, there's an additional reason for why she's leaving VS - she's going to die. Obviously, the game doesn't flatout say it, but I think it's pretty reasonable to assume.

 

[fastmower]

It's not a guarantee, true, but I'd say it's a heavy possibility, especially when coupled with the cutscene's direction. The way that scene played out, it emphasized that she had made a huge sacrifice by speaking and that she knew what the consequence was. It was "subtle" by Kojima standards, but I think the implication is that she's a goner.

I just realized that Quiet doesn't even need her lungs to live, so I don't think the vocal cord parasites can kill her. I think she just left because she'd infect people around her.

 

[Hands of Stone]

No mention of Gray Fox and Naomi is just baffling to me.

 

[Venom Fox]

Fuck that. The Medic had friends.

They could have programmed him to be the Medic. Y'know, healed him. Instead they thought "Look, he's a little brain-dead, let's nuke his personality and put Big Boss' in its place". "Look, his face is 95% the same, even after the helicopter crash. Let's tear it off and put Big Boss' in its place".

Big Boss isn't even a villain, he's a scumbag.

Listen to the tapes, it was Zero's plan to save him from Cipher and XOF, Zero knew his AI wanted BB dead or alive and this was the only way. In the Doublethink tape BB seems reluctant, like he knew it was wrong and Ocelot convinced him.

My POV is the same as Ocelots, "A detour on his way to hell".

 

[Klossen]

So if Solid Snake killed Venom in MG for MSX(game that i didn't play) was it already known that there was another Big Boss? and did you guys already know that The Phantom Pain's main character wasn't the original Big Boss before finishing the game?

No lol. It's a retcon that changes established story. Kojima writes one game at the time.

 

[Ether_Snake]

New image on the Black Hound site. There has been only a few MG references on it, but the rest has been all Silent Hill/PT like.

Just mentioning it for those few of us who still believe!

edit: @kojimalives changed his avatar to Black Hound! It's happening!!

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

I'm not sure I got Huey's motivations.
Or understood why he killed Strangelove. The mother of his child for fuck sake.

Because Strangelove didn't want Huey to use Hal as a test pilot for Sehalanthrapus. And because Kojima can't ever have his good guys ever doing bad things so it totally redeems Hal being seduced by his step mother and causing his dad to drown himself. And also why we never see Big Boss become a true villain because it was all just Huey spreading lies about what a terrible nuke demon that Big Boss (VS) was.

I dunno, I just can't really hate Huey. Maybe because he's voiced by Christopher Randolph who is the last bastion of classic Metal Gear in this otherwise non-Metal Gear game.

 

[Berserker976]

It's a possibility but in a series where even when you get burned alive but still come back to life, you really never know, lol.



They threw a huge battalion at her apparently and she took out a lot of them before she got captured, apparently. They sent armored columns after her and Big Boss, lol.

That still seems super unlikely, I mean she can move way faster than any armored vehicle the Soviets had, and she can pinpoint the exact location and direction of a helicopter that is miles away during a sandstorm. Also she doesn't sleep or eat, so the odds of them getting the drop on her are pretty slim.

Edit: Oh, and I don't subscribe to the "she went off to die" theory. Quiet was already chock-full of parasites, there's no guarantee the vocal chord parasites would have even harmed her. I mean, don't they attack a person's lungs? As far as I remember, Quiet's lungs aren't really there anymore, at least in terms of critical life function.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

It's an entirely revamped gameplay system. Peace walker and mgs5 play nothing alike. 80 percent similar? How'd you arrive at that number?

Also guys, we really gonna say that going from a PSP game to a cross-gen game open world game is easy? It's like you're saying MGSV is 80% done because Peace Walker exists. You still have to build the game. And just because you have a clear vision and goal doesn't mean you won't run into conflicting design issues that take time to work around and redesign.

If you hate the story, fine, but goddamn people, be reasonable. You're going all Kaz Miller here.

I was talking about from a base frame work and design perspective duh.

Things that Peace Walker and MGSV share in common
-Mission selections
-Side ops selections
-Loadout selections
-Weapon acquisition system
-Base management
-Cassette tapes stuff
-Solider scanning / staff management
-Outer OPS / deployment missions

Just like how I'd say that MGS2 and MGS3 (original ps2 release) are built similarly only that MGS3 has the medical treatment system and the camouflage system.

Obviously the two games play very differently but you can see how MGS3 evolved from MGS2. The post I was replying to was saying that MGSV was nothing like any other game in the series which is not true considering how many elements it shares with peace walker.

PS: I liked the story and the twist, I just wish there was more story.

 

[loaf of bread]

So wait, whats the deal at the end when Ocelot gives BB the passport of your avatar and says BB should change his face too?

 

[Shouta]

Because Strangelove didn't want Huey to use Hal as a test pilot for Sehalanthrapus. And because Kojima can't ever have his good guys ever doing bad things so it totally redeems Hal being seduced by his step mother and causing his dad to drown himself. And also why we never see Big Boss become a true villain because it was all just Huey spreading lies about what a terrible nuke demon that Big Boss (VS) was.

MG and MG2 establish Big Boss as an asshole villain for sure. We just don't see the reason why he becomes that villain but considering what happened in Peace Walker, maybe he decided to take it to the next level as revenge for that. lol

 

[Tieske]

so if the metal gear thingie needed psycho mantis to power it, and mantis abandons volgon at okb 0 or whatever the base was called

how did skullface control metal gear the first time you meet the skulls at the ruins

 

[Tookay]

That still seems super unlikely, I mean she can move way faster than any armored vehicle the Soviets had, and she can pinpoint the exact location and direction of a helicopter that is miles away during a sandstorm. Also she doesn't sleep or eat, so the odds of them getting the drop on her are pretty slim.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.

But then a single medic managed to beat her too, so anything's fair game lol.