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SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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I was wondering what was the state of his hypnosis throughout the game. I kinda took Ocelot saying to Eli that "your father isn't here" as him knowing that VS isn't BB. But you're probably right, at this point Ocelot didn't even know that Eli was BB's clone(?) and it was more like a wink to the audience.

Also, what even is Ocelot at this point. The guy hypnotizes himself like nobody's business :P

He actually did know Eli was a clone, he also knew about David, he's just using interrogation tactics to fuck with Eli there, no subterfuge.
 
Have anyone noticed that Pequod calls you Ahab when you rescue Kaz?

Also, some of my soldiers at mother base have been saying things like "Whoever you are I'll still follow you Boss!" or "I don't care who are you really Boss!"
 
Have anyone noticed that Pequod calls you Ahab when you rescue Kaz?

Also, some of my soldiers at mother base have been saying things like "Whoever you are I'll still follow you Boss!" or "I don't care who are you really Boss!"


Edit: This is a spoiler, don't click if you don't know what game I am talking about.
Yeah, it's kinda like the post ending gameplay of
Batman Arkham Knight
 
Ocelot doesn't know who Venom is though. He says this in the doublethink truth tape.

BB "Can you keep it up"? "It's a hell of a lie".
Ocelot "I won't be able to distinguish you from the phantom, self hypnosis, where's the lie in that"?
BB "Self hypnosis?"
Ocelot "It's nothing new in my line of work, the trouble is I need to remember who the real Big Boss is when the time comes. This is called Doublethink."

The above isn't gonna be 100%, I'm not playing right now but that's more or less what gets said.
Anyway my point is, NOBODY apart from Big Boss and the vegetable Zero knew who Venom really was until Big Boss has his resurgence and Ocelot undone his self hypnosis.

I thought Ocelot said he hypnotized himself into believing Venom was the real Big Boss? He tells Big Boss he'd have no knowledge of John existing while he was working with Venom
Edit: Beaten

Yeah you guys are right. I just remembered I was in the kitchen making a sandwich when that tape was on. I tend to tune the self-hypnosis stuff out because it's
fucking stupid
. I at least prefer him laying it out on a tape and the unsubtle 1984 tie-in as opposed to Big Boss trying to explain it while rambling about zeros and ones in MGS4 though.

Or maybe I'm doublethinking it too. :o!
 
Have anyone noticed that Pequod calls you Ahab when you rescue Kaz?

Also, some of my soldiers at mother base have been saying things like "Whoever you are I'll still follow you Boss!" or "I don't care who are you really Boss!"

Well that's because the doctor told him ahab was his new name, it's not a secret or anything.
It's like how BB is jack, Venom is ahab.
 
Have anyone noticed that Pequod calls you Ahab when you rescue Kaz?

Also, some of my soldiers at mother base have been saying things like "Whoever you are I'll still follow you Boss!" or "I don't care who are you really Boss!"
Well they say your new codename in the very beginning is ahab. Does pequod ever call you big Boss or snake?
 
Yeah, but why is your pilot the only one calling you by that name? Ocelot and Miller either call you Boss or Snake. Every other soldier calls you Boss. I guess its nothing, it just caught my curiosity.

And I haven't done Quiet's ending yet because of the consequences, I'll leave that for the very end. Didn't know he called you that there too.
 
My question is how ocelot knew to undo the self-hypnosis. Like did he leave a message for himself, did the tape the real Big Boss send have a hidden phrase in it, how did he undo it on himself since he'd need to have no knowledge of that as well?

Bravo Nolan.
 
Have anyone noticed that Pequod calls you Ahab when you rescue Kaz?

Also, some of my soldiers at mother base have been saying things like "Whoever you are I'll still follow you Boss!" or "I don't care who are you really Boss!"

Pequod was True Big Boss all along.

Deepest lore.
 
Bravo Nolan.

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I smiled as I read that.

Good analysis! That makes the ending even better for me, thanks!!!
My whole analysis is this.

Venom realises who he really is before we see it on screen, it seems to me like he uses the tape TMWSTW as a motivational tool. We see venom feeling his face in the mirror, whilst looking at his old face, he knows deep down that he's not Big Boss but he goes with it as that's his job, his role as the phantom. he was meant to die and thanks to Big Boss he was given a second chance, thanks to him Big Boss was given a second chance.

We see Venom take out the tape and he takes a while to put it in the Walkman, he's getting ready to psych himself up, get into his "role". We eventually see Venom put the tape into the Walkman and press play, while listening we get to see Venoms facial reactions, when Big Boss says to Venom that from here on out Big Boss, he smirks and straightens his back and head, giving off the sense that he's motivating himself and he's enjoying every moment of it.

The line Big Boss say "From here on out, you're Big Boss" echoes what Ocelot says to Venom, "From here on out, you're on your own". This is the opposite to what Big Biss says moments before, when he says "we are both Big Boss, no, he is the both of us together" it's basically Big Boss saying, everything you've done is on your toes, you've played your part and now your on your own, whatever happens next YOU'RE Big Boss, not me.

We next see Venom flip the tape, it reads Opertation Intrude N313. We all know what this is and what happens during the Operation, it leads to Venoms death. The way he flips the tape, surveying the writing on it, it seems like this is the first time he's realising what to do with it, or maybe not judging by the count on the top right of the Bitcorder, this tells us he may have been reading the data bit by bit, step by step, using the tape to build Outer heaven. He's not seen or heard the full length of the tape, but he's about to now.

He puts the tape in the Bitcorder to be loaded by the MSX, we see and hear the tape being loaded and a blue light comes on. The camera pans back towards the mirror, still with the blue light shining across the room, venom walks across the screen back towards the mirror, as he does so, he blocks the whole view of the camera, exactly like a transition from one scene to the next. Once the view is clear, there is no more blue light from the MSX and we see Venom in his "Demon" state of mind. As we know, he does this in the game if he acts Evil, or his mind turns "Evil".
To me this and the fact the MSX is now turned off tells us he's either read or heard the data on the tape and what it contained has made him turn evil. He knows his time as Big Boss is up and death awaits him when he walks back through the doors.

Venom punches the mirror, clearly in anger of what the end of the OIN313 tape contained and we see the real Big Boss behind it, to me it signifies that their goals have "clashed", Venom clearly doesn't agree on how his role ends. At this moment we see the Outer Heaven Insignia behind Venom on the wall, something which before he punched the mirror was a DD insignia, this is further evidence that their goals have clashed. We then see venom turn and walk away from Big Boss, once again telling us he's not willing to die for Big Boss's goal.
But, it's too late, the plan is in Motion. He walks away into the unknown, to his death at the hands of Solid Snake.
 
One thing I'm going over in my head is, what's Zero's play in all of this. Why protect Big Boss and create Venom? From the tapes, he obviously respects Big Boss and seems to feel like he owes Boss. Is it that simple?

On the other hand.. he also seems to be aware that Big Boss will come after him and everything he created. I assume he anticipates Outer Heaven and that fits into his plan for the world somehow.
 
My question is how ocelot knew to undo the self-hypnosis. Like did he leave a message for himself, did the tape the real Big Boss send have a hidden phrase in it, how did he undo it on himself since he'd need to have no knowledge of that as well?
The same way bill and Ted did... He left himself a message from the future
 
One thing I'm going over in my head is, what's Zero's play in all of this. Why protect Big Boss and create Venom? From the tapes, he obviously respects Big Boss and seems to feel like he owes Boss. Is it that simple?

On the other hand.. he also seems to be aware that Big Boss will come after him and everything he created. I assume he anticipates Outer Heaven and that fits into his plan for the world somehow.
He knows Cipher is out of hand, it's already tried to kill BB, Zero knows when he dies he won't be able to stop anything Cioher does so he creates Venom as a diversion while Big Boss builds something to oppose Cipher.


One other thing for those conspiracy theories floating about that Venom really is BB.

Ocelot says to venom that they started the DNA tests when Eli was acting strange, as we know Eli was being impersonated by Mantis so even if Venom was the real BB the DNA tests wouldn't match!
 
One thing I'm going over in my head is, what's Zero's play in all of this. Why protect Big Boss and create Venom? From the tapes, he obviously respects Big Boss and seems to feel like he owes Boss. Is it that simple?

On the other hand.. he also seems to be aware that Big Boss will come after him and everything he created. I assume he anticipates Outer Heaven and that fits into his plan for the world somehow.
he's still warm towards big boss. peace walker pretty much explains it with cipher's aggression against msf and miller's involvement with zero. zero gets miller to push big boss into expanding msf, as zero needs a military wing of cipher as it seems to only be an intelligence agency. miller was planted to coerce big boss into going back to cipher peacefully, but when miller goes rogue, that's when paz is activated as a sleeper agent to forcefully coerce big boss into doing cipher's bidding. of course, he doesn't do it, fucks up metal gear zeke, paz falls into the ocean, and then ground zeroes is put into effect.

and that reminds me of another plot point that isn't addressed in V. zeke is still on the sea floor, right? nuke and all.
 
The ten pictures come ONLY from the side ops called "wandering MB staff"
When you give those 10 pictures to Paz there's an 11th in her hallway, the "Morpho Butterfly" one.
Give this to her and it'll trigger the cutscene.
 
and that reminds me of another plot point that isn't addressed in V. zeke is still on the sea floor, right? nuke and all.

One thing to consider (though totally my headcanon) is that since Sahelanthropus gets blasted to kingdom come in Ep. 51, they might have used ZEKE (which could have been retrieved somehow) to basically Frankenstein it into REX.
 
He knows Cipher is out of hand, it's already tried to kill BB, Zero knows when he dies he won't be able to stop anything Cioher does so he creates Venom as a diversion while Big Boss builds something to oppose Cipher.

What form does Cipher take at this point? I actually still haven't listened all of the "truth tapes". A.I.s and Sigint in charge? Do we know what A.I.s are functional? What is Zeros association with Cipher if he knows it's out of control and he's is kinda helping Big Boss? All these questions... :D
 
Venom Snake could have turned Heel to spite Big Boss and destroy his legacy.
Exactly my thinking when we see that the Symbol changes from DD to Outer Heaven when Venom punches the mirror, but it's already too late, OIN313 is already in motion and Venom is fucked.
 
One thing to consider (though totally my headcanon) is that since Sahelanthropus gets blasted to kingdom come in Ep. 51, they might have used ZEKE (which could have been retrieved somehow) to basically Frankenstein it into REX.
i'm really surprised they didn't touch on it at all. for the whole of the metal gear saga from 1975 onwards there's just a walking death robot with a nuke sat on the ocean floor.
 
i'm really surprised they didn't touch on it at all. for the whole of the metal gear saga from 1975 onwards there's just a walking death robot with a nuke sat on the ocean floor.

It easily could have just been wrecked by the MB explosion.


Doesn't explain the nuke though
 
I thought it was stated somewhere that Amanda's group went down and got the nuke while Strangelove went and got the AI Pod.
 
I couldn't find it anywhere in the thread - is there any fix for the possible bug of not receiving all of the Memento photos when rescuing soldiers? I have rescued all the Mother Base soldiers, but am missing one Memento (the photo after "Nuke"). I've read online a few people having this issue, but haven't seen any fix :(
 
Man, the truth tapes of zero visiting big boss would have been an ending cutscene to rival solid snake in he graveyard.

How this wasn't included and dancing in the rain was is beyond me.
 
Man, the truth tapes of zero visiting big boss would have been an ending cutscene to rival solid snake in he graveyard.

How this wasn't included and dancing in the rain was is beyond me.
Well, presumbably because they didn't feel the pressure of Konami when they did rain and planned to do the later content ... later and then got completely fucked over when they had to wrap it up.
 
I couldn't find it anywhere in the thread - is there any fix for the possible bug of not receiving all of the Memento photos when rescuing soldiers? I have rescued all the Mother Base soldiers, but am missing one Memento (the photo after "Nuke"). I've read online a few people having this issue, but haven't seen any fix :(

Did you get the photo that is sticked to the wall just outside of Paz's room?
 
Well, presumbably because they didn't feel the pressure of Konami when they did rain and planned to do the later content ... later and then got completely fucked over when they had to wrap it up.

Yeah, that makes complete sense. But still, its a damn shame. Just another cut this game took in a long list.
 
Big Boss was a badass soldier, but he was a legend because he was a charismatic leader who spoke to soldiers' existential crisis when no one else would. Solid Snake is the dude who actually does unbelievable god-tier shit like crawling through a microwave tunnel and then beating the villain in a bareknuckle boxing match.
If you think about it, Solid and Liquid should be better soldiers. They were raised for it since birth. Big Boss joined the military later on, he didn't train since youth I bet.
 
I thought it was stated somewhere that Amanda's group went down and got the nuke while Strangelove went and got the AI Pod.
that was in lake nicaragua. that AI pod is from peace walker.

It easily could have just been wrecked by the MB explosion.


Doesn't explain the nuke though
it was on the seabed. unless the wreckage crushed it (who's even to say zeke was hidden and sunk anywhere near MB anyway), it's probably still functional.
 
Just finished and don't know what to think, can't listen to the tapes given after atm.

Quick question, why did BB set this all up?
 
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