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The current theory is that it takes place right before the end of MG1 and Venom's battle with Solid Snake where he gets killed.
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The current theory is that it takes place right before the end of MG1 and Venom's battle with Solid Snake where he gets killed.
It's the birthday scene I believe
Tribes of Trusty
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ZOE 3 !
Ocelot's hypnotism playing tricks on his mind.
For a moment I thought the surgery didn't went as planned because it was scheduled after the attack, but even the prologue the Doctor checks on you and your operation scars.
lol but seriously, i feel kinda robbed. i know i was looking forward to see how the big boss of peace walker became the big boss we see later on, which i guess would be metal gear 2. and now we just spent a whole game traipsing around as venom snake who honestly is a pretty cool guy. and we're supposed to believe this guy becomes the bad guy of MG1? i would have liked to see how he really reacted longterm after he discovered he wasn't really big boss.
also, the ocelot of mgs5 feels so much...different than the ocelot we see later.
Mister Negative
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In the mirror scene he's listening to a tape from the real big boss explaining everything, and you supposedly have that tape at the beginning of the game. He has to know at some point.
I wouldn't mind him doing a mech game in the spirit of ZOE. He can make it an original IP not owned by Konami as I doubt many people are invested in ZOE lore.
I remember when everyone (Including me) thought that we would be playing as an older Big Boss in Ground Zeroes (Because the lighting made it look like his hair was white).
How disappointing.
Tribes of Trusty
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Funnily enough I saw strands of grey hair on Venom Snake's head in the ending when he listens to the tape, giving credence to the theory the scene happens in Outer Haven in 1995. Maybe I imagined that.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Its not what I really wanted but hell yeah I'll take it.
Reizo Ryuu
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Lol it's kinda lame your avatar's body's skin colour doesn't change to match his face, it's still BB's skin tone.
Kenzodielocke
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Can the horn grow or what ?
loaf of bread
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That doesn't make sense because the opposite of the tape is Operation Intrude. Why would BB know about that in 1984?
The Silver
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But man real big Boss is looking good, that baby smooth skin compared to Venom.
Venom out there in the trenches earning scars while BB's putting make up on and laughing behind the scenes while this chump takes the heat off him.
Venom out there in the trenches earning scars while BB's putting make up on and laughing behind the scenes while this chump takes the heat off him.
Kenzodielocke
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What does 'N313' mean?
Why wouldn't you take it literally?
Reizo Ryuu
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Well I only cut loose into a murder rampage sporadically, but apparantly it grows if you just murder everyone and get negative hero points, or demon points more accurately.
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Kenzodielocke
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Ouh, if you're not playing games, you forget those kinda stuff.
Sn4ke, please. I never played MG1 and 2.
Unknown One
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Big Boss is to Kojima as Lightning is to Toriyama. Kojima threw Solid Snake under a bus for Big Boss.
The MSX seeming like a reference to MG1.
Big Boss punching the mirror then seeing a not-reflection walking off in smoke and nothingness.
Nothing about that scene struck me as "This is an event that occurred in canon". Perhaps it did, but I'm pretty sure the primary purpose of the scene was the meta angle, and that Kojima didn't give it more thought than 'Operation Intrude N313 and the MSX are a reference to MG1'.
The worst part of the Venom stuff is that it's so unnecessary. If it actually explained how the fuck Big Boss turned into the villain on MG, sure but Big Boss still ends up doing all the shit in the original MG games while Venom is just another person who does the same thing. It's not even like Venom Snake is doing the dirty work for Big Boss, being nailed to cross to take the fall for all his sins. For the most part he's just a heroic and noble despite all the times where we're supposed to think he's fallen because the horn has grown and he's covered in blood. Huey does more despicable shit in game. It's bizarre how revenge is the theme of chapter 1 but it's mostly Miller and Skullface's thing while even Venom Snake is calm one.
It's just felt like a cheap way to put in a last minute twist and meta thing about how the player is shaping story instead of an actual attempt being the missing link.
Well even in the first time through the prologue is what Venom is remembered happening, but is still in haze, asking who is supposed to be. The implication is that opening sequence that Ocelot does his magic hypnosis that can turn anyone into one of the greatest soldiers that ever existed during the trip to Afghanistan and Mission 46 is actually what happened before he was mindfreaked, conveniently misremembering only some the details that showed off he's not Big Boss.
It's just felt like a cheap way to put in a last minute twist and meta thing about how the player is shaping story instead of an actual attempt being the missing link.
Well even in the first time through the prologue is what Venom is remembered happening, but is still in haze, asking who is supposed to be. The implication is that opening sequence that Ocelot does his magic hypnosis that can turn anyone into one of the greatest soldiers that ever existed during the trip to Afghanistan and Mission 46 is actually what happened before he was mindfreaked, conveniently misremembering only some the details that showed off he's not Big Boss.
How is BB being cool? He is running away on a plan his once enemy devised for him...
Mister Negative
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Now that I think about it, there's one cutscene that I saw in trailers that I never got in game. Snake screaming in the burned down village. What's the deal with that? I never even saw a burned down village.
His once best friend, then enemy, then not quite an enemy. Either way, whenever we see real big boss in the game, he's undoubtedly way better than the fake one. His lines are delivered with a little more oomph, he says a whole lot more, and he just generally seems more like big boss and less like the mope we play as all game. Kiefer actually does a pretty good job, considering what he had to actually play.
His once best friend, then enemy, then not quite an enemy. Either way, whenever we see real big boss in the game, he's undoubtedly way better than the fake one. His lines are delivered with a little more oomph, he says a whole lot more, and he just generally seems more like big boss and less like the mope we play as all game. Kiefer actually does a pretty good job, considering what he had to actually play.
It works, in terms of Venom rejecting that which conflicts with his identity, but it seems like you'd tell the Doctor "Hey, don't show him his face. Don't want to risk screwing all this work up".
Reizo Ryuu
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All it, and the past trailers, does is allude to the game actually having a 3rd chapter initially, one where Outer Heaven becomes a reality.
The game is sadly sorely unfinished.
That cutscene was cut for whatever reason but the village is still in the game.
Mister Negative
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Where is the Village? Everything I read makes it seem like it's the village where Eli's boat is, but that village didn't look all that burned down to me.
Doctor_Thomas
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That village was meant to be something more.
Like I'm picturing some really grotesque stuff. Diamond Dogs blowing the hell out of it thinking it's enemies and it turns out to be innocents, Diamond Dogs staff involved in a fight in it and XOF drops a bomb on it.... something, the fact it exists, the fact the cutscene exists.... what was it?
Like I'm picturing some really grotesque stuff. Diamond Dogs blowing the hell out of it thinking it's enemies and it turns out to be innocents, Diamond Dogs staff involved in a fight in it and XOF drops a bomb on it.... something, the fact it exists, the fact the cutscene exists.... what was it?
SuperStiltzkin
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If Psycho Mantis could control Sahelanthropus, why did they need the PAL cards in MGS1? I'm pretty sure Liquid's anger and revenge is still just as potent enough to give Mantis the psychic energy to control REX.
Nah, that would mean innocents being killed in the a personal quest for revenge.
You want Big Boss to look like a demon, or something?
Kenzodielocke
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Hm, after Skull Face was dead I thought he will be there when you make mission and fuck with you all the time.
Edit: How do you trigger the cut scene where your soldiers fight each other ?
Edit: How do you trigger the cut scene where your soldiers fight each other ?
giancarlo123x
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GMP in the red and low morale.
And for skull face I have a feeling that was what was going to happen before the story was cut. What reason was there for it to happen just once?
Doctor_Thomas
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Sorry, that's right. I forgot Big Boss is the holier than thou hero of the series.
Negative GMP.
Yeah what was up with that? after Skull Face died Big Boss saw him later but it was never explained why.
It just feels like they had so much more planned for this game but a shitload of stuff just got cut.
Most of the "taboo" scenes are missing and this what angers me.
And no this is not on Kojima, this is totally Konami's fault.
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The whole mission in the quarantine platform would have been way more interesting if you didn't have those goggles that could identify who was infected. It just rang hollow that Venom find killing the already infected, many of which are asking for death, was such horrible, irredeemable thing.
Skull Face was consumed by his desire for revenge and the last scene in 31 was about that feeling still permeating the world and Snake. They may have killed Skull Face the person but his plan was still in the works.
The problem is that Snake never really shows himself to be consumed by the desire for revenge, poisoned by Skull Face.
IMACOMPUTA
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That wasn't a fuck up on the fan's part. That was a fuck up on Kojima's part. I can't believe he didn't do that.
Missed opportunity #51
Roufianos
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I can't believe some people on the Internet are taking the meta element as a sincere "thank you" to the fans from Kojima.
He planned this game 5 years ago. There's no way he could have known this would be his last MGS. He wouldn't build the game's big twist around a farewell message.
He knew exactly what the fans wanted from this game and tricked us into thinking we were getting it. He's not thanking us, if anything he's shown a complete lack of regard for us. He's said many times he knows we want to play as Snake.
This is just him stroking his own ego and looking for more fame. He knows millions were looking forward to his game but he's so "out there" that he fooled them all.
Well it really wasn't genius at all Kojima, it was tiresome. We all knew a body double was a possibility and there were hints throughout the game but I didn't think he'd actually go and do it again. It was stale and predictable. It didn't elevate the story, it just brought it to a flat and stale ending.
Even if it was a "thank you", I sure don't appreciate it because I'm not Big Boss. I'm happy to be my own person unlike Venom.
Do Mine Clearing 03. That takes place in the village.
But that would mean Big Boss having to make the difficult choice, not the morally right choice he made in The Phantom Pain by killing soldiers who couldn't be cured, most of which were asking for death, to stop the parasites from spreading to the rest of the world.
You want Big Boss to look like a demon, or something?
Agreed and it really feels forced, most of the taboo stuff that Kojima planned for the game was just cut.
Remember when Kojima said he's not sure if he can release the game at this state? nothing in this game screams taboo, it got all cut and a visionary (Kojima) was robbed of his future.
Hot Coldman was just a minute away from starting World War III.
What was the closest Skull Face was to complete his goal?
meltingparappa
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You were told ahead of time by Kaz (I think) to basically go in guns a-blazin'. It's up to you as a player to actually pull the trigger, until you get the night vision goggles that will basically force you to. The level of remorse you feel for mowing down those soldiers all saluting you was one of the best moments in the game for me.
I remember the day I kidnapped you, Hissing Capybara. It's your ashes that Venom Snake smeared into his pores.
It wasn't. Only that prick Huey made a fuss about it.
It took away from your heroism, but that is only because you're butchering your own soldiers.
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