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elis rage was about his sole purpose being a clone. Having a predestined fate, and being the inferior to his brother, or so he believed.
There is that.

That one scene where he's talking to his friend and he flips out because he uses his real name is like a giant red flag that he's got an unhinged personality. Kid was just having a normal conversation and Eli starts doing the bully shove, getting all up in his face. I thought he was gonna ask for his lunch money. lol
 
"ashamed of your words and deeds"
"the missing link between games"
"revisit camp omega"
"taboo themes that may get me kicked out of industry"

Any other other BS Kojima said that didn't come to pass?
 
Yeah I really love MGS3 and its story overall, but The Boss' speech at the end makes me cringe. Im not convinced she even had a proper vision for the world. Zero and Naked Snake stumble upon great power (Philosopher's Legacy) and a thirst for vengeance. That's all Big Boss and Zero needed to become who they are. Could've dropped the whole thing there, and now we get all the characters throughout the rest of the series explaining their actions as fulfilling her will, whatever that is. I'm still not sure

I mean it seemed to me like the Boss was just kinda vaguely stated what she would've liked to happen and Zero and BB were just like "Fuck it, we could change the world if we wanted"

I also don't really get why ZERO had any real role in it whatsoever. I don't even remember if he and the Boss ever even spoke in MGS3. Kojima has retconned it so they knew each other (since he delivers her a pin or something) but still.
 
Huey is a somewhat interesting character in just how pathetic he is. He's selfish and he lies constantly, always trying to put himself in the best light, always making himself out to be a victim, covering up his past and his sins with a patchwork blanket of self-deceit. That's fine.

But it leaves our perception of Diamond Dogs in a weird place, because Huey is the only one who seems to realize how monstrous the organization fundamentally is, enriching itself off of artificially prolonging bloody, terrible civil conflicts. The fighting in Africa is this awful ethnic civil war with child soldiers, fueled by blood diamonds, and the fighting can continue because there are private groups like Diamond Dogs who don't really care what cause they're fighting for as long as they get paid (and as long as it doesn't make them a tool of XOF).

Huey is the only one in the game to raise these kinds of objections, but only when he's trying to save his own skin, well after he's been utterly discredited as a hypocrite who harms people close to him for personal gain. So I guess Diamond Dogs is a noble cause, Miller's paranoia is basically justified, and the repeated detention and torture of their private prisoners goes unchallenged.

His lines in Mission 43 could mean something in the right context, but coming from his mouth at that point in the game, they do more to remove the player's culpability than they do to emphasize it.
 
"ashamed of your words and deeds"
"the missing link between games"
"revisit camp omega"
"taboo themes that may get me kicked out of industry"

Any other other BS Kojima said that didn't come to pass?

I remember he said that in mgs2 you'd be able to tranq or kill the pilot of metal gear ray and forgo a boss fight.


all the metal gear rays save for the marine corp prototype were AI driven.....oops

That part is pretty ridiculous though
it really is.
 
BB woke up some time before venom, how long exactly we don't know, after venom wakes up they send the codephrase (v has come to), to indicate operation switch boss was in effect, and proceeded with the surgery.
The actual switching was already done like...7 years earlier, with hypnosis and such to change his memories and experiences.

I'm guessing Cipher XOF picked up on the codephrase and then assualted the hospital.

So wait, what happened 7 years earlier? Making Venom think he was Big Boss?
 
I'm guessing Cipher XOF picked up on the codephrase and then assualted the hospital.

Yes, lets wait on the code that signifies he has woke up and become a threat to act, instead of you know...putting a bullet in his brainpan while hes in a fucking 9 year coma.
 
His lines in Mission 43 could mean something in the right context, but coming from his mouth at that point in the game, they do more to remove the player's culpability than they do to emphasize it.

One of the weird things about 'player culpability' in video games is that almost always it never matters, because very often, there is no actual choice; the only way to progress is to do the nasty things. There's no option other than to not play. And this really works against any idea of "Oh you did the thing don't you feel baaaaaaaaaaad" because, given that the structure forces the player's hand always, it also removes the culpability (as well as reinforcing the essentially artificial nature of the choice, which emphasises that you're not making real decisions with real consequences).

Even if it's about player character culpability, it's too easily rationalised away with "well there was no other option" because there literally is no other option in MGSV than to kidnap hundreds of people and steal their diamonds
 
Huey is a somewhat interesting character in just how pathetic he is. He's selfish and he lies constantly, always trying to put himself in the best light, always making himself out to be a victim, covering up his past and his sins with a patchwork blanket of self-deceit. That's fine.

But it leaves our perception of Diamond Dogs in a weird place, because Huey is the only one who seems to realize how monstrous the organization fundamentally is, enriching itself off of artificially prolonging bloody, terrible civil conflicts. The fighting in Africa is this awful ethnic civil war with child soldiers, fueled by blood diamonds, and the fighting can continue because there are private groups like Diamond Dogs who don't really care what cause they're fighting for as long as they get paid (and as long as it doesn't make them a tool of XOF).

Huey is the only one in the game to raise these kinds of objections, but only when he's trying to save his own skin, well after he's been utterly discredited as a hypocrite who harms people close to him for personal gain. So I guess Diamond Dogs is a noble cause, Miller's paranoia is basically justified, and the repeated detention and torture of their private prisoners goes unchallenged.

His lines in Mission 43 could mean something in the right context, but coming from his mouth at that point in the game, they do more to remove the player's culpability than they do to emphasize it.

Yeah, I never really thought about it but having Huey as both the relatable outsider looking in and a scumbag might have been less effective than making him just one of those two things.

The game would have benefitted by having a character looking at the actions of the Diamond Dogs critically without doing so in the context of being a liar out to save their own skin.
 
Well nobody knew where zero put them, cept zero and ocelot.

Yet all it took for them to find out was a single passphrase uttered over the phone?

Madness, not only that there was absolutely no reason to have the real and awake big boss stick around in that hospital for venom to wake up, especially as it seems that Skullface was waiting on that code to make his move.

Couldn't they have got literally anyone other than the person they were trying to protect to watch over venom?

LETS PUT BIG BOSS WHO WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE FAKE DIVERSION BIG BOSS!
 
Yeah, that was just for the trailers. That scene played out somewhat similarly with the ending.

BTW, what happened to this scene?

That shot looks like the shot from the cut mission 51 -- He shoots Eli, confusing him for other XOF soldiers, and then runs over to him and falls to his knees and screams "No!", It's similar to after he kills the infected soldiers in mission 43 and falls to his knees after that bloodbath.
 
Yet all it took for them to find out was a single passphrase uttered over the phone?

Madness, not only that there was absolutely no reason to have the real and awake big boss stick around in that hospital for venom to wake up, especially as it seems that Skullface was waiting on that code to make his move.

Couldn't they have got literally anyone other than the person they were trying to protect to watch over venom?

LETS PUT BIG BOSS WHO WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE FAKE DIVERSION BIG BOSS!

Skullface/Cipher XOF gets to zero during the period both BB and V are still in comas, zero wasn't expecting that skullface would actually manage to get to him. He becomes a vegetable shortly after so there was no way for zero to change the plan after this.
Everything was already set in motion and skullface was patiently waiting.
 
Yet all it took for them to find out was a single passphrase uttered over the phone?

Madness, not only that there was absolutely no reason to have the real and awake big boss stick around in that hospital for venom to wake up, especially as it seems that Skullface was waiting on that code to make his move.

Couldn't they have got literally anyone other than the person they were trying to protect to watch over venom?

LETS PUT BIG BOSS WHO WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE FAKE DIVERSION BIG BOSS!

yeah BB nearly gets killed like three or four times through the escape (he indeed gets knocked out in the ambulence). it's a really stupid diversionary plan even if the intent is to ensure that Venom absolutely survives
 
Yet all it took for them to find out was a single passphrase uttered over the phone?

Madness, not only that there was absolutely no reason to have the real and awake big boss stick around in that hospital for venom to wake up, especially as it seems that Skullface was waiting on that code to make his move.

Couldn't they have got literally anyone other than the person they were trying to protect to watch over venom?

LETS PUT BIG BOSS WHO WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT IN THE SAME ROOM AS THE FAKE DIVERSION BIG BOSS!
I'm not trying to excuse all the stupid shit in the story, but BB's mission was to ensure Venom's safety.
 
If Boss wasn't there Venom would be a dead man.
 
Big Boss is a selfish prick and it was in his absolute best interest to stick around and make sure Quiet didn't murder Venom so he could have his clone brutally murder him later instead.
 
One of the reasons MGS2's player switch worked better also was that sn- suspicious guy Plisken was working alongside you for half the game so you were still getting bits of character development etc

Whereas this all the character development you get is that BB is a real asshole who fucks off after making sure his contingency plan is safe
 
If Boss wasn't there Venom would be a dead man.

What DID big boss do in that escape that anyone else couldn't? hide under a bed, show his ass crack, jump on quiet's back like a monkey?

The entire thing stinks, especially the part where big boss is happy to have some random dude be him, when the idea of being cloned disgusted him so much that he decided to leave the patriots.

Isn't having a random medic take his name, face and legacy away from him pretty much the same thing as having clones be his stand in?
 
I wanna see a Venom/Naked vs. Solid/Liquid tag team match.

as relevent as ever

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The ending is dumb as fuck. It contradicts a bunch of stuff from later games. I just wanted to play as the real Big Boss and see how he build outer heaven, now is never going to happen.

Its such a kick to the nuts, its amazing how one plot point can destroy a game even though I had a blast for over 70 hours.
 
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