Alright, fair enough, I'll buy the "just a kid" thing here.
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Alright, fair enough, I'll buy the "just a kid" thing here.
The problem with the twist is that you could smell it from miles away. If you watched the trailers and followed the coverage leading up to the release, even easier. And yet the game tries to dangle question in front of use where the answer is so clear.
CassidyIzABeast
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Hell that's exactly what the E3 2013 extended trailer made the game out to be. Kojima couldn't help himself and he just had to add a twist to the story I guess.
I'm guessing those tapes were recorded material for cutscenes that never made the cut. That Paz and Zero conversation really deserved to be a cutscene of its own. Hell, all of the Truth tapes deserved to be in cutscenes.
Mister Negative
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crazy that he actually goes back to the KGB/russians, though. Would love to know how Mantis goes from flying off into the sunset with eli in (admittedly cut) episode 51 to the boss we see in MGS1.
It's always been strange how much of an affinity Kojima has for Mantis, he shows up in a lot of games. He's probably the most iconic boss from MGS1, which I guess is why.
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Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I think the Mantis/Eli story is by far the most interesting part of this game, but it did raise a bunch of questions about Mantis that need to be answered. Something happens to him post-MGSV to scar him beyond recognition. I guess we know enough to fill in the blanks ourselves (worked for KGB, interrogated criminals, etc.) but if the next Metal Gear we got was a Liquid game with Mantis in it I wouldn't complain. The two of them being childhood friends is a really interesting concept.
Didn't his village burn down? Knowing what we know in MGSV, Mantis is most likely responsible for that, although unwillingly. It's most likely already happened by the time we see him as he's under the care of those researching his ability by that point. He has a very tragic story, always unwillingly at the center of all of these conflicts because of his ability.
Didn't his village burn down? Knowing what we know in MGSV, Mantis is most likely responsible for that, although unwillingly. It's most likely already happened by the time we see him as he's under the care of those researching his ability by that point. He has a very tragic story, always unwillingly at the center of all of these conflicts because of his ability.
Putting it in the into or very early would have been best.
Since we're ripping off MGS 2 might as well go all the way.
Then, just like 2, the rest of the game can expand on the twist and it's thematic purpose. Instead of cramming all that into one bit at the end.
CheesecakeRecipe
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As far as I know, the community was able to debunk that list entirely. Stuff from Chapters 1 and 2 were pulled from gameplay videos, while some of the later ones were stolen from leaked achievement lists. The rest of it was 100% made up by a reddit user.
Ryo Hazuki
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It's completely made up. The only reason those missions are in there is because they're listed in the achievements that leaked ages ago.
Sumio Mondo
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I'm kinda surprised they didn't ruin Mantis. In fact, they did a pretty good job with him and Eli, I thought. Which is why I'm pissed Mission 51 was cut. Liquid and Mantis are a couple of my favourite characters in the series...of all the things they cut it had to be that? Pisses me off.
It's implied that Eli is only more suitable than Skullface for Mantis because he is a child. I guess his connection to Eli weakend at some point when Eli grew older and maybe even less angry and he connected to other people until he arrived at the KGB. Or maybe he evolved an own personality and didn't need to stay with anyone anymore.
Unknown One
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Psycho Mantis is probably the most powerful human in the MGS canon.
Oh, I watched 0 videos on this game before it came out. Didn't realize that much was revealed, nvm then.
The fact Chapter 1 is a huge chunk of the game (Mission 1-31) should be telling enough of how butchered the game's story became out of all this. Peace Walker was 5 chapters, there's no reason to believe this game wasn't planned to be 5 chapters initially. That said, it's possible they at least wanted to try and do a Chapter 3 to end things properly before shipping the game out but they ran out of time and couldn't do it. Hence us only getting to see Episode 51 in the CE blu-ray and cutting the story down to what we got (which winds up turning out awful -- going from the ashes scene to the hospital again right after is fucked up).
Hands of Stone
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Mister Negative
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Yeah, Mantis and Liquid were handled really well. Who liquid is in V definitely helps you understand his character in 1.
Totally! give the player time to understand the twist's purpose to the message of the game, rather than asking them to go back and do it after they've finished. It's so much easier for the player to understand that venom is shaping the legend of big boss if you think it throughout the whole game, rather than just thinking "wait, I wasn't big boss?" at the end. So you get the moment of "wait I'm not big boss?" out of the way, then by the end of the game, you're saying to yourself, "I am big boss, and so is jack"
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Johnny
Someone needs to import a Johnny model to replace D Horse just for the Do it command.
Sumio Mondo
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Volgin would fry his ass in a lightning match up.
ViewtifulJC
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He:
-is immune to bullets
-can fly
-controls Metal Gear flawlessly with his mind
-can turn invisible at will
-can teleport
-can move through solid matter
The idea that any character or even army in MGS can beat him suddenly becomes ridiculous.
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Mister Negative
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Ghostmaster
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So what are they doing with volgin's body in motherbase, using it for ammunition?
Unknown One
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But he's a cyborg now.
Since he is a plot device, that ensures that he's extremely powerful. The Boss is nothing, but a plot device. She's 2 dimensional.
Marty-esque
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So did the reviewers finish the game before they released their score?
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Xpike
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he was pretty normal in MGS1 and a walking plot device that can do anything in V.
Misterinenja
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I love how every little thing wrong with this game goes straight fuck you to Kojima personally but I guess he had it coming :lol
ViewtifulJC
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You forgot can apparently make giant flaming man just go and kill themselves(but not really?) under giant robot wheels using his mind.
The downside of having total creative control is people know exactly who to blame.
Expecting to see this posted at least once a page now. And you know what? I wouldn't even be mad.
Unknown One
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Not saying I really like how powerful he is in V. Since I'm not a fan of retcons. His accomplishments in V is astonishing. He ripped out the English Strain Parasites from Liquid like it was nothing.
Ghostmaster
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Most of the reviewers don't really care about the story of MGS. IGN even pointed out that the story was lackluster in their 10/10 review.
The Silver
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Big Boss and Zero made up before he became a vegetable, which means Zero and Ocelot were also on good terms.
Ocelot also was off doing god knows what during the 90s so he wasn't linked to Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land.
The AIs probably don't give a shit about Zero's relationships anyway, they view themselves as completely seperate.
Unknown One
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Not just reviewers either. There is plenty of people who doesn't care for the story that raves about it, but they are not as invested in the series as people who do care about the story. Yes the story is not a masterpiece. For me the story is campy fun, which is sorely missing in this game.
The early reviews came from that Konami review event, and I'm pretty sure they said the current ending wasn't in that review build. Didn't stop some of them giving it a perfect score though.
This game is definitely still a 10/10 though. There's something to be said about fan disappointments as opposed to sheer scale and polish and mechanics.
Honestly, the story could have revolved around cutscenes of D Horse taking shits on members of my own family as a random personal attack against me and it'd still be 10/10 for me because playing it feels so damn good.
Marty-esque
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Did many reviews mention the game possibly missing content?
*snort* IGN also claimed that there was no humour in the game.
Nobody really knew at that point and really, it's not a place of a review. They're rating what was put in front of them, not what could have been.
Such a lust for revenge....
Last Day in Outer Heaven.
If only Phantom Pain ended in something remotely close as to the depictions of this fan-made comic. This is my way to dealing with the phantom pain of this game.
What could have been.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/3kp648/fancomic_last_day_in_outer_heaven/
If only Phantom Pain ended in something remotely close as to the depictions of this fan-made comic. This is my way to dealing with the phantom pain of this game.
What could have been.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/3kp648/fancomic_last_day_in_outer_heaven/
MGS V is a very fun toy but a poor art piece.
Unknown One
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It isn't a 10/10 for me. It's an 8/10. The reason being the lack of or the disappointing boss battles. I believe MGS boss battles are integral to MGS gameplay. Since this game disappoints in that factor, I knocked it down.
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